Braves @ Mets Open Thread: Game 3
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If nothing else, Hampton could have a good outing and make himself attractive to a playoff team via a waiver wire trade.
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3 game series vs Mets @ Shea Stadium
| Tue 08/19 | WP: Aaron Heilman (3 - 7) LP: Jeff Bennett (2 - 5) |
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| Wed 08/20 | WP: Mike Pelfrey (12 - 8) LP: Jair Jurrjens (11 - 9) |
3 - 6 loss |
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Atlanta Braves Thursday, Aug 21, 2008, 7:10 PM EDT Mike Hampton vs Pedro Martinez Clear. Winds blowing in from right field at 5-10 m.p.h. Game Time temperature: Around 75.
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Wow...
…Yunel was all over that one.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
He did that before I could finish posting...
that I hope Mr. Glass brought his balls to the game tonight…
He’s throwing plenty of balls at this point.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I still laugh when I see Fernando Tatis in the league.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
i still cant believe this is the same guy who hit 2 grand slams in one inning....
the braves play here hallalejah
rotation for 2009...
1. JJ
2. Campillo
3.Derek Lowe (hopefully)
4.Morton
5.Jo-Jo
…..smoltz and glavine as bullpen guys
the braves play here hallalejah
I love Jair, but if he’s our #1 we’re gonna have problems…
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, that’s a question that I don’t have an answer for at this point…
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
we have something like 40 million coming off the books…
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libery media/fox has made it clear they are...
not gonna spend a lot of money
the braves play here hallalejah
they added a guy with a $15 million salary this year, and signed a guy for $8 million. do you actually research what you type?
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I think he’s no better than a #2, at best, and that he gives up way too many hits per inning. Although he certainly keeps his walks down and doesn’t give up too many HRs.
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There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
plus he will get you 10 wins per yr...
today he got his 10th win, the 10 th straight year he’s done that…
the braves play here hallalejah
Way too many other people can effect a pitcher’s W-L record. No run support, bullen collapse, etc. Better to go by K, BB, H, HR…thing he actually has control over.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
russ ortiz is a 20 game winner. is russ ortiz a good pitcher?
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nonetheless, he’s never been a good pitcher. and he had a lot of wins.
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I wonder
In like the last 10-15 years, who was the “worst 20+ game winner” . . .
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Haha...
…that’s a massive undertaking to look up all those stats.
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Lieber, 2001 – 21 wins
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Haha, he was 4th in the Cy Voting!?
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Winner?
Jose Lima, 1999, 21 wins
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Ha, so was he. His stats that year are such an outlier for the rest of his career.
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
2005 AL Cy Young winner, Bartolo Colon, 21 wins
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Lack of opposition
Rivera was the runner up, Johan had less wins, more Ks, lower WHIP, and placed 3rd.
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Please tell me how in fuck Johan doesn't win that...
Perfect example of the voters being idiots.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Eww…
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Lights out...
…dude has 134/24 K/BB ratio in 170 IP not counting tonight which he was 7/2 in 7 IP.
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
2003
Esteban Loaiza and Jamie Moyer had 21 wins. I’ll scratch Moyer off the list, but Loaiza might be worthy of consideration.
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Had him on my fantasy team that year. Almost as good of a waiver wire pickup as my Cliff Lee pick this season.
I guess I should be one to talk.
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i traded yunel for shaun marcum cuz i had this longoria character to play 3rd. beat that
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I was sorry to see that kid go down.
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
after some research…the only “not good” pitchers would be bret saberhagen, barry zito, doug drabek, john burkett, denny neagle, matt morris, RUSS ORTIZ, dontrelle willis, bartolo colon, mark mulder, david wells, RICK HELLING, scott erickson, bill gullickson…
my answer is rick helling
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my final answer is rick helling. career record of 10 games over .500, ERA of 4.68, WHIP of 1.377, 2:1 K:BB
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I agree with Helling . . .
But come on now, Jose Lima. It ruled when he came out all jacked up and excited to pitch, and then would give up like four earned runs immediately, and be yanked so fast that the seamlessness of his excitement of him getting into the game, and the excitement of the crowd at him getting yanked was a perfect transition.
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Haha, that’s funny as hell. Didn’t he bleach his hair with the ’Stros? Wierdo.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Lest we forget
The Jamie Kotsay Alert:
“Lima Time” usually refers to fans awaiting to see his wife.
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Haha...
…no shit!
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
jose lima should be excluded from this discussion because he bought his wife giant funbags
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Best 20-game winner = Jose Lima?
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Rick Helling wins, unless he has a hot wife.
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I can't disagree
So no matter how bad Mark Kotsay’s stats are, he will never be “a bad player” because his wife is hot.
His name is Robert Paulson.
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Alright - I need some space here
Worst 20-game winners since 1995:
Rick Helling
Jose Lima*
Russ Ortiz
Mark Mulder
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I really want to add David Wells
But it’s hard to add a guy who had so many 16-18 win season, and a perfect game, excluding initial stats.
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He's fat
I love your logic at why he sucks
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i’m allowed to pick on people since i’m no longer fat and actively losing more weight. suck it
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Did you ....
Give all your fat clothes to your fat friends?
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no, i sold them all (25 wrestling shirts) on ebay. got a good chunk of change too
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New game?
Worst 25+ saves closer? To add to our “Worst impressive stat-mongering” pitching staff?
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I was going to say
Joe Borowski from last year, but that would need like 35+.
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chad cordero, joe borowski, todd jones, ugueth urbina all jump out at me
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I'd have to go with
Armando Benetez / Alejandro the fat hispanic closer on the Phillies who did the Carlton Banks dance after every K, they’re both like the same guy to me.
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Although
I’m not sure if either had 35+ save seasons ever.
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33, 36, 45
In separate years for JoBo. All in between several years of single digit save numbers, to go with his lifetime 4.32 ERA, and 1.380WHIP
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I'd have to say that we're right
in declaring him the worst-best closer to close for the worst-best pitching rotation.
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Wickman deserves a mention.
I don’t know how his career 1.400 WHIP only gives him a career ERA of 3.57 (125 ERA+).
Okay
If I said Most Conspicuous Spikes in Homers/Slugging/OPS, who springs to mind?
I’d have to go with Brady Anderson or Luis Gonzalez.
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brady is your defacto winner. theres not even a contest here.
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I don't think
Anyone can compete with Brady. 13, 12, 16, 50.
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this one is a little harder
WORST HITTER WITH 200+ HITS
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jose vidro, freddy sanchez, JACK WILSON, shannon stewart, juan pierre, RUBEN SIERRA~!, RICH AURILIA
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Oh man
There was, for like two days, a youtube clip of Freddy Sanchez endorsing these wiffleball sets, and him getting totally owned by wiffleball pitchers. Needless to say, the clip didn’t last once his agent found out he did that commercial.
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I'm amazed
That Todd Helton has only one 200+ hit season. But then again, his walk totals are high.
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Do we need . . .
A cleanup hitter for the worst-best team? Worst-best RBI guy since 1996+?
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Hmm
Need some criteria: 30+ HR, 100+ RBI
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If only Frenchy hit one more HR
Will be hard to find 30 HR and sucking…
Ryan Howard this year? .231/.319/.478 33 HR, 103 RBI
Vinny Castilla. All his 30/100 seasons were when he played for Colorado.
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It's funny
He has five straight 30+ homer seasons, four straight 100+ RBI seasons, goes away for a couple years, and then comes back in 2004, and without missing a beat, drops down another 30/100 season.
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Pertaining
To Colorado, that is.
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Wells
I agree there. Totally playing over his head for $$$ that year. Funny how Andruw looked at his contract as the gold standard going into FA.
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The Wells contract boggles my mind
It’s really back loaded too. Something like 20M a year for the last 4 or 5 years. Horrible. He must like baseball.
Not before 1996, but it’s gotta be Joe Carter. He had three seasons with 100 RBI, and less than a .300 OBP. The dude was on the MVP ballot one year when he had an OPS+ of 85, and was on seven additional MVP ballots to go along with his 5 AS appearances AND HIS CAREER OPS+ is 105!
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 22, 2008 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Not after 1996, rather…
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 22, 2008 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
BOLD MIKE HAMPTON PREDICTIONS!
He pitches 5 innings max. He allows 3 runs minimum. He allows at least 8 baserunners. He has more hits than Jeff Francoeur.
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TP could get more hits than FYF
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There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Prado at first? Nice play by Chipper, showing Wright what the gold standard still can be. . .
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Shea
Sounds like an Asian video arcade, whenever someone comes home to score.
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i legit just smiled and gave a thumbs up when hampton allowed that RBI single. cheering against your horrible team is FUN
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not cheering for the mets, cheering against the braves. i can TASTE that #4 pick
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I cannot believe we are really that bad.
I guess I should be one to talk.
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There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 21, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Still kinda numbing
But not the end of the world
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Jesus
You can almost hear the kleenex being ripped out of the box when Chip Caray goes apeshit over a David Wright putout. . .
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mets announcers are already done talking about it
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I should at least give Pete a little credit
for saying “a play we’re used to seeing Chipper do with ease”.
Mute
I don’t want to hear what Chip’s saying right now
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It's been a little while
But I’m still, really, really gay for Brian McCann still.
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brian mccann would take you to a gloryhole for a box of ring dings
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McDreamy is waiting...
(ugh, picture quality really went down there.)
The video that Lauren has of him yawning is better…
LOL
At Joe Simpson frustratingly explaining Francoeur’s impatience in the lecturing fatherly way.
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It looked
Like a bad throw on Prado’s part.
Oh look! Julian Tavarez!
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He sucks so much
He can’t even lift an imaginary weight off his shoulders.
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Of all the pitchers
it was Oscar Villarreal whose ass Willie Harris saved with that catch. From Delgado, no less.
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That was awesome…I remember I left my desk at work and went down to the warehouse to watch the last inning.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 22, 2008 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Villarreal
His first career save.
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Is it just me
Or does Luis Ayala look like a right-handed, poor-man’s Mike Gonzalez?
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Chip Caray
Talking about Julian Tavarez was as inspiring as the results of the speech from the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket.
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Great
David Alan Grier is on base now.
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Where
Are all these grunts coming from?
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fuck that, keep it going. nothing like more futility to get STEPHEN STRASBURG.
also, breaking the streak would be a good way to start next year off
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Stras
Just took the loss to Cuba in that colorey-ring international tournament thing they do every four years. I’d reckon to say that team Cuba is the closest thing to a united major-league-ready caliber team that he’s probably faced.
His line:
4.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 HR, 5 K
I don’t know if he was pulled due to ineffectiveness (not likely) or pitch count (more plausible) (i wouldn’t know, since I didn’t want to wake up at like 5am EST to watch, nor is an official recap out), but barring health, I can’t see why he wouldn’t have a good career ahead of him. It’s not like we’re going to get him or anything, though. If the Padres tank the rest of their season and somehow do worse than the Nationals, it’s safe to say they’ll take him because he’s a local kid, among all other positive factors.
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