More Casey Kotchman Analysis
Casey Kotchman was an organizational guy in Anaheim. Read Rev Halofan's review of the trade and it seems like a tearful eulogy of a player who was born into the organization, and then pried from its arms like some Janet Reno-esque raid. Rev relays this memory of Kotchman, "...loved hearing the stories about him taking BP with Garret in the minor leagues instead of doing his 4th grade homework..." I'm guessing that is Garret Anderson, who has been around the Angels long enough to have been playing for the team when Kotchman was a youngster.
Despite all the logic of not liking a player who was underperforming this year for a playoff-bound team, the Angels' fans seem pretty heartbroken with the loss of Kotchman -- like our seperation anxiety after the Justice and Betemit trades.
There was a good point (in the Braves' favor) made by Kevin Goldstein on the Baseball Prospectus Trade Blog about our acquisition of Kotchman:
...take a look at the Braves system (No 1B, other than Freddie Freeman, who's in Low-A), then take a look at the free agent market (no first basemen). Go one more year out to the next free agent market (no first baseman). The Braves really needed something to replace Teix in the deal.
That take is one that sums up the win for the Braves in this deal. Yes, the Angels also get a win, but Atlanta gets a more definite win beyond this season. Kotchman is someone who should be able to provide good production at first while giving the Braves excellent defense (something Atlanta highly values).
The downside of the acquisition of Kotchman is that we acquire yet another player who is underperforming. Many around the team have pointed to Kotchman as having "potential" and "upside," but his numbers this year are down from last year, so our "hope" is that he returns to his 2007 form and even exceeds that production. Add Kotchman to the other Braves who occupy key spots on the Braves lineup and who are underperformed this year -- Jeff Francoeur, Kelly Johnson, anyone in left field -- even Yunel Escobar's numbers are down from last year (but that could be mainly due to injury).
Can this team sustain a winning tradition with at least four positions of questionable offensive production going into next year?
For a scout's opinion on Casey Kotchman, we turn to independent baseball scout Deric McKamey. We heard from Deric at the start of the season when I interviewed him about the Braves farm system. After the Kotchman trade I asked him to give me his opinion of Casey and his development as a player, and here is his analysis:
Kotchman has been slow to develop, partly due to assorted injuries at the beginning of his career, but has turned-out to be an outstanding player. He has excellent bat speed and a high finish, which should produce home runs, but can get too much topspin on his hits, limiting his over-the-fence power. His strike zone judgment and contact rate are solid, so should always hit for a consistent batting average. He is a standout defender, showing good range and the ability to scoop low throws. I was incredibly high on him and thought his overall offense would be better than what it is now, as I originally pegged him to have Jason Giambi (in his prime) numbers, but he produces enough to be an asset in the lineup.
While this was a good review of Kotchman, I think it just adds to the confusion about what kind of player he could turn out to be -- his potential is anything from a four-A first baseman to an above average All-Star caliber first baseman.
At this point all we know for sure is that we got a warm body to play good defense at first base. What kind of production we will get from Kotchman is a big unknown, but the "hope" is that it will be above average.
The Braves should plan on average or slightly above average offensive production from Kotch, and that should spur the team to go out and get that big bat to put in left field in the off-season -- and that is the going to be one of the big keys to this team next season.
The team we have now is filled with good role players and two to three impact players, but it is not filled with the depth of proven talent and consistent production that will be needed to be competative in any division, let alone the post-season. If Casey Kotchman was all we could get for Teixeira, then I'm glad we at least got somebody who has potential (in lieu of the Chad Tracey's of the world). This off-season and the money we will have available and who we will spend it on will be critical to the Braves' success in 2009. Kotch may be a good first step, but there's a whole lot more work to be done.
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Goldstein's review....
....is spretty much a vote of no confidence in the future of Kala Ka’aihue. I’d love to see Ka’aihue eventually fulfill his ‘potential’, but he does indeed need to hurry up and do so. If not, I guess we’re covered.
I've seen Kala twice here in Birmingham
I know that is a small sample size, but he has yet to do anything to impress me on the field or in the stat department. Who knows though, maybe he will develop into something? Right now, he seems like he’ll be battling it out with Thorman for a spot in AAA.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
Thank god there’s another fan in the Ham! All my friends ared damn Tigers or Cubs fans
by Bmacbandwagon on Aug 1, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you guys should go bowling or something. Protect each other from getting mugged, too.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Yeah, if muggings are anything like lightning, I should be set for a couple of lifetimes
by Bmacbandwagon on Aug 1, 2008 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yikes…
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah, according to his minor league stats he has the potential for .400/.500 numbers, but I’m certainly not going to ask for that.
His highest OBP was last year at .372 in about 500 PAs, and his highest SLG was .484 back in 2005 in less than 150 PAs.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's the list of LF from MLBTR
Moises Alou (42)
Garret Anderson (37) – $14MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Milton Bradley (31)
Emil Brown (34)
Pat Burrell (32)
Adam Dunn (29)
Cliff Floyd (36) – $2.75MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Luis Gonzalez (41)
Raul Ibanez (37)
Kevin Mench (31)
Jason Michaels (33) – $2.6MM club option for ‘09
Craig Monroe (32)
Jay Payton (36)
Wily Mo Pena (27) – $5MM club option or $2MM player option for ‘09
Manny Ramirez (37) – $20MM club option for ‘09
Juan Rivera (30)
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, Matt Holliday is a potential trade candiate that’s been spoken about, and probably several others that could be had if the price was right.
So other than him, from Beard’s list I would kick the tires on Bradley, Burrell, and Dunn. Bradley and Dunn I think we can get for shorter term than Burrell.
by soup du jour on Aug 1, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m high on Bradley as well, but someone else on here brought up the fact that Texas didn’t even attempt to trade him so they may seriously want to re-sign him.
Of that list I’d want either Burrell or Dunn. Burrell would be nice b/c he hits RH and we could put him right in between Chipper and McCann. Of course we would have to put up with his defensive adventures (although he’s improved considerably by BP’s standards this season to the point of being completel average as opposed to horrific last year…much like Dunn).
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Pat the Bat is due to fall off a cliff
He’s a monster this year. Something like X/.400/.580, but he really benefits from that park. He turns 32 soon? No young player skills at all. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s done by next year. He’s definitely not lasting anywhere near the 5 years he’s gonna get. Hafner and Mo Vaughn come to mind.
I’m a big fan of Dunn. He’s young and nobody likes him. Boston won’t be in the picture since they have Bay so we have a good shot at getting Dunn.
I agree that Pat’s RH bat would be more beneficial than Dunn, but I don’t think he’ll last at all.
Burrell's Home/Away splits for 2008
Home: .240/.358/.458 = .816 OPS
Away: .318/.444/.698 = 1.142
And I also don’t buy the fact that he’s due to fall off next year. He has old player skills, but so does Chipper. Chipper’s having his best season this year at, what, 36? Burrell is having his best season this year and is 4 years younger.
The more I think about it the more I like the possibility of signing Dunn. I just wonder if Wren is one of those GM’s that doesn’t like him b/c of his low BA.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmmmm
Burrel’s career home/away splits are actually almost dead even. My mistake. I guess I heard it enough times to believe it.
The difference between Chipper and Pat is that Chipper was actually athletic when he was younger. He could hit for average too. Heck, I bet today Chipper is more athletic and faster than Burrel. It’s just not the same comp. He’s not the same kind of player Burrel is. Slow, unathletic players don’t age well at all. Sexson. Hafner. Mo Vaughn. Most of Burrel’s Similar Batters through Age 30 on Baseball-Reference didn’t age well. He’s just too risky for the contract he’s going to demand imo.
Yeah…right away after I typed that I thought to myself “well, Chipper hits for a high average and Pat never has and never will”. So you are correct in that regard, my friend!
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 4, 2008 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm…I’m not seeing anyone on the list that I’d really like to have. I’d be most interested in Dunn, Bradley, or Burrell, but Dunn strikes out too much while only offering HR’s, Bradley has attitude problems (but working on it), and Burrell is having a good year, but he hasn’t been this good in the past.
I’d love to have Holliday, but I would think the price would be high, and I think he’s only signed through 2009. He’d surely get a pretty loaded contract after that.
Dunn also gives you walks.
A LOT of walks. Walks are good. .380+ OBP is good. Oh, and doubles too. I like doubles.
Holliday is the poster child of “I benefit from my park” and he’s a Boras client.
Walks are indeed good. I’m surprised Dunn’s walk total is as high as it is. I still have a hard time with a .230 average though. We already have one outfielder with that kind of average. Of course, he’s not leading the league in HR or walking.
Yeah, until I really stat down and looked at the stats last year I didn’t realize what Dunn was doing either. I posted his BB total in another thread, but I’ll do it again real quick:
2008 – 76 BB, 2nd in MLB (Burrell is 3rd with 75 BB)
2007 – 101 BB, 9th in MLB (Burrell was 3rd with 114 BB)
2006 – 112 BB, 4th in MLB
2005 – 114 BB, 3rd in MLB
2004 – 108 BB, 6th in MLB
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Francoeur strikes out too much, and he doesn’t even offer HRs! Dunn walks in 18% of his PAs. 18%! Chipper is only around 16% and he’s got some of the best plate discipline I’ve ever seen. Dunn also has hit 24 or more doubles each season for the past 4 years to go along with the 41.5 HRs he has averaged over the same time.
And Burrell has been having great seasons for years, it’s just that like Dunn people don’t realize it because of his poor average:
2008 – .980 OPS, 7th in MLB
2007 – .902 OPS, 25th in MLB
2006 – .890 OPS, 38th in MLB
2005 – .892 OPS, 29th in MLB
That’s not his rank in OF, that’s his rank of any player.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m always a fan of putting the ball in play, which is what’s so maddening about Dunn. The K’s also worry me; strikeouts are beyond useless.
I think from a non-statistical perspective, you just hate to see a guy with his power with the bat on his shoulder. I agree with you that in the end his signing would be worth it, but I can imagine that he would be a very frustrating player to watch and root for. With that being said, I’m like you in warming up to a Dunn signing (at the right price, of course) more and more.
by soup du jour on Aug 1, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to start an arguement with you…but would you prefer someone to GIDP? I know it’s not a productive AB, and just by putting the ball in play you make the defense earn the out, but it’s not like a strikeout is the worst possible outcome.
BTW…Can you imagine Chipper and Dunn, with their extremely high OBPs, getting on base over and over again for McCann? He’d have like 120 RBI!
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I seem to remember...
A study on Dunn’s strikeouts saying that a lot of those were where he was caught looking instead of swinging. I can’t imagine where to find that kind of statistic, but it follows with his patience that it would hold true, or he at leasts strikes out looking at a lot higher rate than other MLBers.
I guess my poorly worded point was simply: I’d like to see him be a bit more aggressive. I would rather take the risk of him GIDP than to K looking.
But yeah, having him bat in the middle of our lineup would fit very nicely.
I get what you’re saying now. Funny you say that b/c I was watching a game earlier this year where he took 6 straight pitches. Full count…strike 3 looking.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand what people are saying when they want players to be more aggressive, but it’s just not that easy. What happens is the player has either a crappy OBP (Carl Crawford, Alfonso Soriano) while still hitting for power or you have to be a Hall of Famer like Tony Gwynn. Just not everyone has Gwynn bat control. Dunn’s not going to swing if he thinks it’s a bad pitch, and he’s not going to swing if it’s a pitch he can’t handle and he doesn’t have 2 strikes yet. SOs are just going to happen if you’re going deep into counts, but as long as you’re walking too, it’s not a problem.
I also think asking patient players to be more aggressive is dangerous. Look at Kelly Johnson’s and Casey Kotchman’s numbers from last year and this year. Both of their pitches per plate appearance are down and both their walk rates are significantly down. Pendleton is pretty notorious for telling players to be aggressive and I heard Kotchman was trying to be more aggressive this year. I don’t think that’s a coincidence that both their numbers show them more aggressive, yet less effective.
I see a guy who gets on base a lot with a ton of power.
SOs don’t bother me unless a player is crappy at getting on base at the same time. Like Francoeur.
Adam freaking Dunn
You know, the guy who leads the majors in HR. We’re already really vulnerable to lefty pitching so that’s a problem, but he’s the best option by far.
That’s the only reason why I’m not 100% on board with that idea…b/c of the potential problem against LHers.
Of course, I just looked up his LH splits for this year and his career and maybe we shouldn’t worry about that:
2008: .212/.389/.455 = .844 OPS
Career: .239/.362/.480 = .842 OPS
So the people who still think BA is a useful stat will probably throw a fit, but the bottom line is that he is much, much better than anyway we have at the moment.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was thinking the same thing about lefties
Kotchman, Kelly, McCann, Kotsay, Schafer, BJones, Blanco. Chipper loses a ton of power batting RH.
Like I said, I don’t think Burrel will age well at all. Otherwise, I’d prefer him over Dunn. Dunn will probably sign for less money/years too since everyone hates him despite his awesomeness. And he’s really not as bad in LF as people think.
On board with Dunn
I mean seriously, all you have to do ask yourself “would you like Adam Dunn?“
Very much so. He’s on pace for another 40+ HR season, another 90-100+ RBI season, and unfortunately another 150+ SO season. But we all knew that he pretty much lived and died by the three true outcomes, so it’s no big deal, right?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
The 1B Myth.
Maybe we didn’t have a single 1B that could do a reasonable job at the position following Tex’s departure, but a platoon would not be out of the question. Kala Ka’aihue has a .282/.422/.521 line with 33 K in 117 AB against lefties in AA this year, so while the K rate is still quite high (28.2%) it’s alright considering how he’s crushing them at the plate. So all you’d need to do is find him a reasonable decent partner (one of the Daryle Wards or Scott Hattebergs of the world, even Scott Thorman could do that) and you’d get reasonable production out of 1B. As for a more long term fix at that position, how about Tyler Flowers a High-A and I imagine AA before the season’s out? This whole “good thing we got a 1B because Freeman’s a long ways away” arguement just doesn’t hold water for me.
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but
how do we know that Kala Ka’aihue will do that good against lefties at the majors? We dont. Did you just mention Scott Thorman? Ok you lost me with that. Kotchman is sooooooo much better than those two that its just not even funny and has wayyyyyyyyy more potential. Tyler Flowers is interesting but he is not a guarantee, he could not hit in AA and have to have another full season in AA. Dude Freeman does have a long ways away. He is in Low A, gonna be 2 or 3 years until he is ready if he continues to hit good.
braves#1
Your Arguments.
Everything you say boils done to “you can’t be SURE about your argument, can you?” and “trust me, my speculation is rock solid” so forgive me if I no longer try to discuss this with you. Maybe Kala won’t crush lefties, but you know who doesn’t crush anyone in the majors and struggles particularly against lefties: Casey Kotchman. You want proof from prospects, but rely on projection for young major leaguers like Kotchman and that’s just ridiculous. Kala could be half of a platoon in the majors next season, Tyler Flowers should be ready for the start of 2010 at the latest and Freeman by 2011. Maybe we “needed” a 1B this year (I say needed because we’ve seemingly given up on this season) and a little next season. You know who would have been perfect to platoon with Kala in 2009: Chad Tracy. Heck, maybe one of the two would have proven themselves worthy of the job alone playing out the rest of this year!
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EVER!? Damn ejruiz, that calls for a curtain call!
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's hoping for Tyler Flowers
I really, really like him – I hope he finds a place long term with the Braves, whether 1st or catcher, although catcher seems locked up. But you never know – anything can happen.
And Freeman – I’m pulling for him, too, just as I was after Ka’aihue’s monster season in Rome. Hopefully Freeman can maintain a solid pace….
Kotchman v. Tracy.
Casey’s defense puts him over the top in this competition, no doubt, but Chad’s the better hitter in nearly every respect. All the criticisms of Tracy (he needs to be platooned, the dessert inflated his stats, etc.) can all be applied to Kotchman as well. Since what’s done is done, I won’t copy/paste all the splits here, but you’re free to look them up if you care. I don’t mind the Tex trade and I wish the Kotch all the best, but there’s no reason to inflate his value at the expense of another player without proof. And for those that will claim that the Owings, the other half of the Tracy package, is somehow garbage, take a closer look and realize that he’s a Joe Blanton type when you take league and park into effect. But again, who cares now that what’s done is done, right?
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Soup and Smoltz
I wanted to get in on this discussion. It has seemed to me that Braves hitters this year:
Whiff when there is a runner on 3rd and less than two outs (no sac fly, no grounder)
Make grade ground ball contact when the bases are loaded. They hit the ball right at the 2nd basemen or shortstop who turns a double play.
I would like to see the Braves teach situational hitting and productive outs. Frenchy in particular if he just tried to put the ball in play in situations like that (from the fist pitch) would probably have a lot more RBI’s. We might win a few more one run games.
A guy like Dunn is a swing big hit or miss. His homerun total can justify it somewhat. The rest of the team shouldn’t use this approach.
Can't argue with you...
...about the GIDPs. In 108 games we’ve grounded into 100 of them. 6th in MLB. It seems like FYF has 1/4 of those, but he’s only got 11.
However, with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 outs we’ve actually been extremely productive. In 244 PAs during that situation our team has produced .351/.405/.482. Not too shabby. There are 43 strikeouts in those PAs which results in 18%.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Perception v. Reality.
I respect that you use stats to prove or disprove hypothesis, but it’s no use. It seems like most people refuse to rely on quantifiable proof of things and would rather trust their eyes and/or gut.
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Quantifiable proof with stats is only valid when used in the correct context WITH contributing factors. You appear to remove all factors except stats and therefore it seems you’re “cherry picking” to prove your points.
That and the ego doesn’t help your cause. Not saying you are right or wrong, just that when you combine your tone with the negativity people will automatically tend to negate what you say.
Not sure if you’re talking to myself, ejruiz, or both…but I normally try to disprove, as ejruiz put it, other people’s post by using the best possible statistics available. I try not to simply pick out the stats that support my side, and there have been times where I’ve even included stats that support the opposite side and end up proving me wrong…my Kelly Johnson comment today for instance. Does it work? Who knows.
And there are plenty of people on here who base their arguements on perception and have their own ego to go along with it as well. It seems to me that those people are more inclined to ignore what I have to say right off the bat anyways.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I Think It Was Me...
Yeah, I have a “tone problem”, but that’s not why people negate what I have to say. They do that because I disagree with their point of view and people are on here to be heard, not to talk. I’ve been wrong plenty and I’m more than willing to eat crow when I have to. That said, I guess I’m a bit unforgiving of unfounded comments since we do live in an age in which information is so readily available. I’ll try to work on my tone.
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I will agree with you there. Just to use an example, VictorW (just an example, don’t hate me!) mentioned that Burrell’s offensive value was just a product of his ballpark which this year simply isn’t true…his OPS is .326 points higher on the road! I certianly didn’t try to prove him wrong out of spite because normally I enjoy his comments.
I had another guy tell me that Lance Berkman only hits HRs because of the bandbox he plays in, but it took me 15 seconds to look it up and let him know he was wrong. 11 HRs at home this season. 11 HRs on the road this season. I didn’t bother mentioning the fact that he’s hit more HRs on the road in his career, but I could have.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 1, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It was to you ejruiz
but just to clarify it wasn’t inteded as an insult, merely constructive critcism. The reason I posted it goes back to something you said the other day regarding the value of Tracy/Owings vs Kotchman/Rivera. You’re initial posting gave me the impression you felt your are “The Authority” and that everyone else’s opinion had to be wrong. It was my initial impression, which I probably shouldn’t have responded to, and after sitting on it a while I realized I could have taken it the wrong way. Hence I asked your insight on the two and after reading your response I was better able to understand your point.
My point being that after I got past my initial impression I could see the intelligence in your post(s) and, while I still may not agree 100%, I am unable to argue against your point from a stats perspective.
As for my “cherry-picking” comment above, I get frustrated sometimes (similar to you only on the opposite end) when people are unable to see my point of view when I refer to intangibles playing just as big of a role in a players performance as historical stats do. A good case in point is our newly acquired 1B. I can easily see how someone who is very stat minded wouldn’t view Kotchman with as much upside as I do. He’s had over 1000 AB’s in the major’s and should have performed by now. Most immediately dismiss him as someone who will never reach his potential and they refuse to consider any other factor. “Stats don’t lie”! But on my end I see how a large portion of those AB’s have come with him playing through nagging injuries, inconsistent playing time and the full year missed due to mono (not to mention playing for a manager he possibly disliked and who possibly and equally disliked him). I believe these “factors” have played a large role in Kotchman’s performance to date, especially when I compare his MLB stats against his Minor’s numbers. Now i’m not saying that these “factors” should be applied in all situations, clearly they do not apply (to The Beard’s point above) when comparing whether Burrell and Berkman are products of their ballpark. There are significant historical statistics to disprove these points that have no extenuating circumstances. This is just my personal belief with regard to evaluating players, there are just as many arguments against me as there are to support me – case in point, Albert Pujols who is still raking even though he’s playing with a ruined elbow! I believe in reviewing both sides of the equation, when one side doesn’t match I review as much of a players history as I can to see if these factor’s apply and make my judgements from there. Yes, it’s a subjective, non-quantitative personal opinion – but just like many things about baseball I don’t feel we can shoe-horn everything to fit neatly into a perfect circle. Otherwise how would we explain those handful of players who come around every year who considerably outperform their historical stats (that’s a rhetorical question).
Good point.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 4, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Smoltz, Ejruiz, and Scstrato
Scstrato: Good comment.
Smoltz Beard: Seems like we have had differing views a couple of times. In each of those cases you have been nothing but a nice guy. I respect your point of view. Thanks for being a gentleman.
Ejruiz: If you read my post carefully, I said that “it seemed to me” in regards to the Braves players. No I didn’t look it up. I was just talking about my perception as a fan. Is that alright? As it turned out, the stats backed up one of my observations.

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