Tex to the Red-Sox ???

by Holty on Jul 8, 2008 4:04 PM EDT Comment 26 comments

Okay I am sick of hearing this rumor so I thought I would address it, why would you even think about trading Tex to the Red-Sox ???? I mean what do they have as far as young talented players that they are willing and that is the key willing to part with ?? Manny is older, Big Papi is banged up (only way the deal gets done is if he stays that way) and Dice K is not going anywhere along with Lowell and J.D. Drew.

Papelbon (closer) sorry if mispelled is also not available so why would we even think about trading with these guys. Is their anyone is the farm system worth having ??? Anyone else have any ideas ????

Who could we get Julio Lugo ?? or some other guy that is having a slumping season for them . Hopefully someone agrees with me.

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If they want Teix, they’re going to have to part with some pretty popular cogs. It’s not like they can trade us several of their dregs and expect us to gift wrap Teix over to them. If I’m not mistaken, Youk is a free-agent after this year, since he’s on a one-year deal with Boston, we don’t need/want Lugo or his hefty contract. Drew’s too expensive, Manny’s a head case, and I just can’t imagine him in in Atlanta while not playing, and I don’t want to see Papi play defense.

Let’s face it, everyone in their starting lineup is along rock-star status in Boston, so it would be hard for any of them to be parted with, but as it’s been said many times here, nobody is untouchable. The only thing that sounds logical to me, for Teix is one of their two golden boys in Lester or Buchholz, and additional prospects. And FTLOC, don’t put Mike Timlin in there.

Either way, I don’t think it’s going to happen, but pretty much every heavily rumored trade last season seemed to punch its way through.

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by royhobbs on Jul 8, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Youk

I mentioned this in another forum, and since it’s topical, I’ll bring it here too, but I saw on another blog where someone had made the case for trading Tex for Youkilis, plus like a pitcher from the Sox. At first I laughed, but as I read the guy’s case, he made a good one. We’d be getting a replacement first baseman with excellelnt defensive skills and some versatility as he can play third and outfield too. Plus, Youk doesn’t have the star status of someone like Tex, so he would likely be fairly cheap and easy to sign. Any Tex deal is going to have to involve a replacement 1B, because I don’t think we have much in the system as far as first goes, and we could do a lot worse than Youkilis.

by skipcaray on Jul 8, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed.

If Youk was part of the package it would certainly peak my interest. I wonder who else they would add, though…

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by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 8, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Youk

I like Youk, and he would be a great player to have, but my curiosity lies in his also rental status, as well as his personality. Sure, he’s a fun-loving interesting character, but has been noted to be kind of obnoxious to his teammates at times. There’s also a picture of him flicking off a camera floating around on the interweb, and that kind of trite stuff doesn’t fly with a tight-moraled team like the Braves. Reasons that have less to do with performance, but my hypothesis on how he’d fit in. Even if we did get him, and management believed he was a poor fit, you better believe he’s gone after the year’s over.

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by royhobbs on Jul 8, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hear what you're saying...

...but this is similar to what we were talking about the other day. You can’t field a team full of saints.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 8, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh I agree

Perhaps with JS not in full control, and Liberty Media’s general ambivalence, the Braves have some leeway to harbor more “controversial” talent. Youk would totally be worth it, with his gritty play, high OBP, and plate-patience.

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by royhobbs on Jul 8, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good Points

When Manny tells you that you’re not being a team player, that’s a red flag.

Having said that, I love watching Youk on the field. He just looks the typical, gritty, scrappy player of days gone by.

But, Youk is also known for his performance dropping off in the second half as well. If we traded for him, we’d have had a “slow starting” first baseman in the first half, and a perennially-struggling-in-the-second-half first baseman in the second half.

by skipcaray on Jul 8, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nothing Manny does flies a red flag to me.

He also threw down a secretary for apparently no reason, so who knows if Youk deserved getting smacked in the head by Manny or not. My guess is not.

I am not sure where I stand on these rumors. On the one hand, I feel like getting Youk + pitching would definitely help us in the long run. I am just not sure that the Red Sox are going to be interested in Tex. I don’t know how he fits in there, and I am not sure that they really need him.

I’ve seen other rumors about Kotchman and Loney, and even Xavier Nady (please, no). I still wish we would just re-sign Teixeira. I know that is probably dumb, not forward-thinking and not going to happen. But, the market right now is not big for him, he’s still young, plays great D, has ties to Atlanta, and having another switch-hitter after Chipper is very appealing. So, I wish we’d just sign him to a big-ass contract and if things get worse in the next 2 or 3 years, we could take a hit and still try to get something for him. That’s just me, and I’m a bad GM.

I wish something would happen to put an end to all the speculation.

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by jug on Jul 8, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fantasy GM

I wouldn’t mind re-signing Tex, but if we don’t, I wouldn’t mind making a trade for Youkilis…then, I’d like to see us deal a couple of our surplus outfielders to Colorado for Matt Holliday!

Yeah, I know, I know, it’s about as likely as Hampton throwing a pitch this season in a major league game, but we do have a few prospects we could theoretically deal. Holliday’s signed through next year, and with the money we won’t be spending on Hampton, Glavine, or Tex could go to re-signing Holliday. Probably just a pipe dream, but what a player! And Diaz as a pinch hitter would be a great bullet in the chamber.

by skipcaray on Jul 8, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m for any move that gets Diaz back into a pinch hitter role, but you should check out Holliday’s home/away splits sometime.

If that doesn’t come into contract negotiations then his agent is a genius.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 9, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would love to resign Tex

But he already turned down 140M over 8 years in Texas. That’s 17.5 a year. I don’t want to pay him that much until he’s what 36?

I wouldn’t mind trading for Loney either. They need a SS too. Tex + Lillibridge for Loney and pitching?

by VictorW on Jul 8, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Prospects...

Boston is pretty deep prospect wise. They could deal Bucholtz, or Lester obviously, but they also have Justin Masterson who is ML ready. Then as far as hitters go they have Jed Lowrie and infielder, and Lars Anderson, a high OB kind of guy, big 1b if i am not mistaken.

We wouldnt be dealing him for big leaguers with years of experience. We would be getting back young close to ready players. If a trade does go down with Tex, i hope it is to Boston.

by gopherbroke on Jul 8, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Most of the people you bring up...

...are already mainstay in their program. I’m sure they’d love to get rid of Lugo, but there’s no way in hell we’d take him. Most of their top talent from the farm system has already had at least a cup of coffee this season…Bucholz, Ellsbury, Masterson, Lowrie were their top 4 prospects according to BP and all have been called up at some point this season. If they would not be willing to part with one of those four, and I doubt they would, the Braves could find better elsewhere.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 8, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You dont think they would be willing to part with one of Lester, Masterson, Bucholtz for Tex? I would think that they would. Of course if the CC deal shows us anything that is really all we would get for Tex. One top level prospect (Matt Laporta) a project and maybe a high ceiling guy.

by gopherbroke on Jul 8, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also they were willing to give up one of those that you mentioned for Santana, either Masterson or Bucholtz. So if they think they need Tex why wouldnt they do it for him.

by gopherbroke on Jul 8, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bucholz and Lester are on completely different planet than Masterson. If the main piece of the Tex deal was either Masteron of Lowrie I would object a thousand times over. If we could get either Lester or Bucholz…hell yes, I would do the deal in a heartbeat. I just don’t see the Red Sox trading one of their future rotation studs, especially when Youk handles the position very well. Not sure what they have in store for Lowell though, so who knows…maybe move Youk back to 3B and have Tex come in and player 1B. Even so, I can’t imagine Bucholz or Lester would be involved.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 8, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah you are probably right, i think it was masterson who they had talks of including in the Santana deals. I dont think they would part with Youk for Tex if they had to give up a guy like Masterson too. But if they did, that would be a nice haul for Wren.

by gopherbroke on Jul 8, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the reason they never did the Santana deal was becuase the Twinkies wanted either Lester or Bucholz and Ellsbury, and possibly another guy… but ur right they did not seem willing to part with either Lester or Bucholz. but ur right Masterson projects of a 3rd or 4th guy in the rotation. and if he is the center piece of the theatre, we shouldnt do it. If Lester/Bucholz or Anderson is the centerpiece then its time to consider it. If its Anderson the complementary players will need to be of a higher quality… Id like to get Michael ALmanzar as he is a 3rd Baseman prospect… but again i highly doubt they make this trade becuase theyd have to give up a lot and the braves are in contention still, barely

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by Swo12bv on Jul 8, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

masterson projects in the pen actually

by bigjoe on Jul 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you gotta remember that both Buchholtz and Lester have thrown no hitters. With lester’s backstory with cancer and the return to prominance he’s kind of entrenched himself as a fan favorite. And Bucholtz is a top flight pitching prospect/young player. We’re not getting either one.

by yondaime4 on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i literally had both those statements in my post then i deleted them, for some reason

great minds…

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by Swo12bv on Jul 8, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was going to bring up those in my original post, but i tried not to focus on a single moment. regardless, it certainly made them fan favorite’s quickly.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 9, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no to Masterson

I would rather Michael Bowden that Masterson. Maybe throw in Bard and Lars Anderson and make the trade for Tex and Ohman. Youk would be great but they won’t part with him. If we are giving up on the season and trade away Tex than there is no reason we can’t call up Canizares to pllay 1B for half a season to see what he can do.

by BlueVol03 on Jul 8, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuk

is pretty popular. I don’t think they will trade for Tex because he is not enough of an upgrade and the minimum they have to pay has to be equal to 2 draft high picks and then some.

by VictorW on Jul 8, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know this is off topic, but has there been any talk about Chipper moving to 1B? I haven’t heard anything, nor can I speculate to how Chip would feel about it, but doesn’t it kind of make sense? Maybe I’m an idiot. . .

by JDMaker1 on Jul 9, 2008 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t see a need. Boston’s right behind the irrelevant Rangers in scoring, despite losing Papi for significant time. He’s due back by the deadline which will allow them to swap out Ellsbury for Papi, a swap who’s affect that can’t be stated enough. What do they do with Tex assuming they would make the move? Obviously he plays first, but who out of Youkilis or Lowell do you bench? Or do you ship Youkilis out of town, assuming there’s a market for him? Lot’s of problems with plausibility here.

by 17843 on Jul 9, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs