Chipper to start All-Star Game
by chipper4mvp10 on Jul 6, 2008 7:25 AM EDT
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not many surprises here. lots of red sox, yankees, and cubs.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/07/05/all.star.starters.ap/index.html
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anyone else think the starters consist of some of the most undeserving players ever? the NL OF is a fucking disgrace, and we’re gonna get splayed and flayed YET AGAIN
You're surprised?
When it’s based on fan-votes?
I pretty much called the AL squad, considering it’s mostly Red Sox, Yankees, and Ichiro. It’s hard to vote against Red Sox Nation, the city of New York, and the Country of Japan.
And in the NL, it’s hard to vote against the city of Chicago. I’m actually quite amazed that Hanley’s getting the starting nod; he’s awesome, but the fact that he was voted more than Jose Reyes or Jimmy Rollins is quite remarkable. But I agree that our outfield is a tad laughable.
I hope we win this year for a change. I’m sick of the AL bias. The key to the game is simple for Clint Hurdle – if there is an all-star on the roster who made it strictly because of an injury, don’t play him. There’s a reason why he didn’t make the squad initially.
Case in point: Chris Young, who gave up the go-ahead homer to the AL. Sure, it didn’t help that Wagner and Francisco Cordero gave up runs as well, while Webb, Fuentes and Valverde rode the pine, but it was Young who started the bleeding.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
The All-Star game is a joke.
I can’t stand it.
First of all, its BS that the winner determines the World Series advantage. ESPECIALLY since fans vote. And, is it any surprise that the team is mostly Cubs? Who’s the biggest market team in the NL?
The All-Star game has gone the way of interleague play. It is an attempt to get fans involved, but its not good for baseball.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
by jug on Jul 6, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
NL PITCHERS
Aaron Cook, Rockies (WOOOOO!)
Tim Lincecum, Giants
Dan Haren, Diamondbacks
Ben Sheets, Brewers
Carlos Zambrano, Cubs
Brandon Webb, Diamondbacks
Ryan Dempster, Cubs (thats kinda a surprise, but he’s having a good year)
Brian Wilson, Giants (??!!)
Edinson Volquez, Reds
Kerry Wood, Cubs
Brad Lidge, Phillies
Billy Wagner, Mets
BIG SNUB is Hamels.
NL RESERVES
BRIAN MOTHERFUCKING HEAP MCCANN, YOUR Atlanta Braves
Aramis Ramirez, Cubs
Matt Holliday, Rockies
Dan Uggla, Marlins
Miguel Tejada, Astros
Russell Martin, Dodgers
Nasty Nate McLouth, Pirates
Albert Pujols, Cardinals
Ryan Ludwick, Cardinals
Adrian Gonzalez, Padres (very quietly turning into a great player)
Cristian Guzman, Nationals
there are as many giants as there are phillies, marlins, braves, cardinals & brewers. yeeeeeeah
Brian Wilson may set the record for the best percentage of a team’s wins that the closer saves. mostly cause the giants arent gonna win very many games but w/e
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
ya but he also has a chance as does George Sherill, but the Angles will win somewhere around 90-100 games
i think the record was set with the Marlins in 1993, Harvey was the guys name… he saved like 70 percent of the games the marlins won.
But ur right Krod does have a shot, its just a lot tougher, when you win 90 games, he would need like 65 saves, which unless im mistaken is some kind of record.
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
AL PITCHERS
Scott Kazmir, Rays
George Sherrill, Orioles
Roy Halladay, Jays
Mariano Rivera, Yankees
Jonathan Papelbon, Red Sox
Justin Duchscherer, A’s
Joe Nathan, Twins
Joakim Soria, Royals
Cliff Lee, Indians
Francisco Rodriguez, Angles
Ervin Santana, Angels
Joe Saunders, Angels
AL RESERVES
JD Drew, Red Sox (really, he’s playing damn good…shockingly)
Jason Varitek, Red Sox (FAIL)
Joe Crede, White Sox
Carlos Quentin, White Sox
Grady Sizemore, Indians
Carlos Guillen, Tigers (...yeah)
Justin Morneau, Twins
Milton Bradley, Rangers
Ian Kinsler, Rangers
Michael Young, Rangers
Dioner Navarro, Rays (WOW, didn’t see that coming at all)
EVAN GOT HOSED!!!!
I was listening to Fox Sports Radio this morning...
And they were talking about how David Wright has been left off, and that he was the announcers pick for 3B. But, he qualified it, with the year Chipper Jones is having its hard to argue.
/vomit.
Yeah, who’s this Chipper guy? He’s pretty good, but he’s no David Wright.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
nice.
High quality, that Fox Sports Radio.
by Something Profound on Jul 6, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper only has 6
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar08/news/story?id=3475090
I was amazed when I looked at this list on ESPN where it shows their total # of allstar appearances and Chipper has less than Alfonso Soriano. Then I sort of remembered Chipper being snubbed his MVP season (I could be wrong on that…). I still can’t remember who was Chipper’s competition for an NL 3B through the ‘90’s when Chipper was the best 3B in baseball for years. Anyways, here is the list of starters…
http://www.baseball-reference.com/allstar/NLS_lu.shtml
Bustins
Chippa
Was snubbed in 1999, and until this year has not been an All-Star since 2001. You know what happened in 2002? Chipper started playing LF! And, he hasn’t played in 150+ games since 2003. So, I’m only offering a partial explanation for why he is undervalued.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
Ugh...
...that makes me want to punch a small child.
Chipper leads the majors with a .485 OBP…Wright is 28th.
Chipper is 2nd in the majors with a .640 SLG…Wright is 37th.
Chipper leads the majors with a 1.125 OPS…Wright is 27th.
Even if you want to look at your “traditional” stats it’s hard to argue for Wright:
Chipper leads the majors with a .388 BA…Wright is 66th.
Chipper is tied for 15th in the majors with 18 bombs…Wright is tied for 26th with 16 bombs (Chipper has played in 16 less games, mind you).
Wright has the edge in RBI, 66 to 50…but once again…16 extra games.
Wright’s steals are down also, and he is having a worse year than Chipper at the hot corner using any method that Baseball Prospectus uses to measure defense:
RateA way to look at the fielder’s rate of production, equal to 100 plus the number of runs above or below average this fielder is per 100 games. A player with a rate of 110 is 10 runs above average per 100 games, a player with an 87 is 13 runs below average per 100 games, etc.
Chipper: 103
Wright: 94
FRARFielding runs above replacement. A fielding statistic, where a replacement player is meant to be approximately equal to the lowest-ranking player at that position, fielding wise, in the majors. Average players at different positions have different FRAR values, which depend on the defensive value of the position; an average shortstop has more FRAR than an average left fielder.
Chipper: 8 FRAR
Wright: 2 FRAR
RAAFor Pitchers:
Runs above average. At its simplest, this would be the league runs per inning, times individual innings, minus individual runs allowed. However, we have gone one step beyond that, because being 50 runs above average in 1930, in the Baker Bowl, doesn’t have the same win impact as being +50 in the 1968 Astrodome. The league runs per inning need to be adjusted for park and team hitting (and difficulty, for the alltime RAA), and then you can multiply by individual innings and subtract individual runs. Finally, that quantity needs to be win-adjusted. See win-adjustment.
For Fielders:
Runs above average at this position, similar to Palmer’s Fielding Runs as far as interpretation is concerned.
Chipper: 2 RAA
Wright: -5 RAA
It took me all of 15 mins to gather and present this information, yet some talking head gets paid a salary to sit there and spit nonsense. Frustrating…
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
Also...
David Wright is a little bitch. Chipper is a man.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
+1
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 7, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
My favorite moment as a troll...
was getting a bunch of Mets fans upset on MetsBlog by saying that if Davy worked really hard and if he stayed in the majors long enough and if he somehow miraculously became more talented he might someday be almost good enough to hold Chipper’s sweaty jockstrap.
Not that I do much trolling….
Here's a question
Do we open thread the all-star game, so that we can critique players not everyone is completely familiar with, make fun of the American League, and put Smoltz’s Beard into overtime to statistically justify all our outlandish childish claims?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
OFTLOC...
...that could be a long evening, in that case.
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 7, 2008 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He did not make the team.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
by jug on Jul 7, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I know…I was going to write “Oh, man…” as the title but it just does not fit here on TC anymore.
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 7, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
The future, in pictures*
Smoltz’s Beard: Ahh, time to enjoy a nice evening, enjoying the all-star game. Chipper Jones is OUR representative, batting an un-Pujols-ly .533 with a heavenly OPS (my favorite stat) of 2.110!
royhobbs: why in the f is mariano rivera STARTING this game? he’s only useful as a closer, and his stats suck.
Smoltz’s Beard: ”....”
Smoltz’s Beard: Actually, he’s got an ERA of 1.87 with more strikeouts than innings pitched, and he has a WHIP of 0.98.
royhobbs: oh
jug: why isn’t russell martin starting???? he’s the prototype catcher, and the greatest thing in mlb since fernando valenzuela!!! geovanny soto sucks! his stats suck
Smoltz’s Beard: ”.....”
Smoltz’s Beard: Actually, Soto’s batting average, OBP, OPS (my favorite stat) and slugging are all higher than Martin’s. For the matter so is Brian McCann’s.
jug: oh
VegasAces: who in the hell is george merrill? the only reason he’s on the all-star team is because baltimore sucks, their stats suck, and merrill’s stats probably suck too.
Smoltz’s Beard: ”....”
Smoltz’s Beard: Actually—
sddbaker: thank goodness no mets made the squad. except for billy wagner, but only because of a technicality. david wright, carlos beltran and jose reyes aren’t even good enough to hold chipper’s sweaty jockstrap.
...and their stats suck
Smoltz’s Beard: ”....................”
Smoltz’s Beard: ACTUALLY-
royhobbs: the american league sucks
jug: their stats suck
fin
*all stats are fabricated.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
...
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 7, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha...
...you’re doing quite well today, my friend. Those pics of Homer at the computer are from one of my favorite Simpsons episodes ever:
Salesman: Well, sir, many of our clients find pants confining, so we offer a range of alternatives for the ample gentleman: ponchos, muumuus, capes, jumpsuits, unisheets, muslim body rolls, academic and judicial robes…
Homer: I don’t want to look like a weirdo. I’ll just go with a muumuu.
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 7, 2008 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Preferrably
I love the part where he’s trying to dial the phone, and the operator tells him that his fingers are too fat, and to mash on the keys to order a special dialing wand.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Haha…
(After getting back the Key to the City)
Quimby: Are these teeth marks?
Homer: I thought there was chocolate in it.
(Quimby stares at Homer)
Homer: Then how come it was covered in foil!
Quimby: It was never covered in foil!
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 7, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Russell Martin rules.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
by jug on Jul 7, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You were too late
I only included those who posted prior to it.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
YOUR recommended all-star lineup
guarantee you it doesn’t look a thing like that. i threw pujols in as DH since he’s, well, pujols
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