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Tex to the Reds ???

Since the Reds are always willing to sign/acquire offensive stars how about Tex for B. Arroyo str8 up any takers ??? Hey I know for a fact that a couple of season's ago the Braves were looking at Arroyo but who wasn't.  He has always seemed to pitch well against us and I believe he would make a great addition to our rotation.  Giving up Tex str8 up for him does seem like a strech but hey to get something you have to give up something and Tex is pretty much the only piece the Braves can afford to part with this season.  Let's be honest we are not really going to be able to resign Tex at the end of the year, but I surely wish we would.  Signing Tex would totally weaken what we could do this off-season as far as free agency goes.  So let me know what you think guys.   

  • Any more trade ideas about Tex or whom you would like in return for him please post them here. 

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Why on earth would the Reds trade for Tex? That makes no sense. And I would have zero interest in Arroyo.

by dwbrave on Jul 5, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why on Earth !

Hey just an idea, I always thought the could have converted Salty into a 1B but that plan didn’t play out either I just want a good SP for Tex at least and maybe a corner outfielder if at all possible, I just don’t want to get screwed and get a bunch of worthless late round picks for a all-star that is coming into the prime of his career.

by Holty on Jul 5, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

If Arroyo becomes a Brave, I wonder which Atlanta night spot is going to get propositioned first for his crappy singing… the Earl? Eyedrum? Lenny’s Bar? Actually, I think his best bets would be Park Tavern or the Drunken Unicorn.

But seriously, no. An player with an annual increase in ERA, WHIP, hits, runs allowed, and losses since arriving in the “inferior” league is someone that I don’t want stinking up this joint.

Watching him pitch sucks too. The high leg kick, the no-leg kick, sometimes he has dreads, sometimes he has the goofy hair… okay whatever, do you see THIS playing for a morally strict team?

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jul 5, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My Kind of Guy !

Maybe that is what this club needs, love the pic royhobbs hey he seems okay to me. LOL !

by Holty on Jul 5, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't Like It.

Hey I am open to suggestions give me some, give us all some suggestions on who you would all want for Tex.

by Holty on Jul 5, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

its not a matter of who we want for tex, cause if thats what we are doing i want David Wright and Johan Santana straight up for Tex… the conversation, if its gonna be had, should be who would be willing to trade for Tex and what would those teams have that we could get.

We can sit here for days talking about the guys we want, but its more useless that anything. Talking about whom we could get is more reasonable

that being said if for some reason the Reds decide to offer this trade, id say no and ask for some prospects on top of Tex. but they would never offer this and even if they did offer some prospects i still wont take it.

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by Swo12bv on Jul 5, 2008 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't copy.

Do yourself a favor, check his stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/arroybr01.shtml

Not a good trade, for us.

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"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."

by jug on Jul 5, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Tex trade proposal, huh?

I don’t know why I’m doing this, because I’m in the camp of wanting to keep Tex for the push after the all-star break when FYF and Cy Hampton surface from the minor leagues to carry us to glory. However, I guess I’ve wondered as well, so now might be a good a time as any to check out potential suitors.

First things first: I don’t really think a trade is going to happen, for a couple reasons. One, management has shown no indication that he’s being shopped, much less indicating that we’re selling in the first place. Two, we have no adequate replacement for him. Scott Thorman? Please. Our replacements are years away (Freeman, C. Johnson; I don’t consider Kala a replacement because he looks too much like Thorman to me) and I don’t know of any one on the major league club who can fill in first. Perhaps Diaz can play first for half a year (gulp.)

so with that being said, here we go.

First and foremost: Tampa Bay Rays.

Now that the devil has been exorcised they’ve looked good, and the wonderful depth they have in terms of young prospects means they can go out and get that impact rental player easier than most teams. I don’t know if they’re looking, so this is pure speculation. But Pena is slumming around .750 OPS and they have Cliff Floyd (HA!) and Johnny Gomes listed as their first two DH options. Now imagine Tex’s D in their already stellar defense, and put his switch hitting power in the middle of their lineup…yowsa. If I were a Rays fan I would be licking my chops at putting him in the middle of my lineup.

The Braves would almost certainly be looking at their young pitching, starting with David Price. If I were Wren and the Rays came up looking for Tex, I would say Price has to be part of the deal. I would use the Sabathia deal (if it goes down, mind you) as a model, showing that the Brew Crew are getting half a year of Chunky for their top prospect and then some. I’m not intimately familiar with the Rays farm system, but other young pitchers that come to mind are Wade Davis, Jacob McGee, and Jeremy Hellickson in their AA affiliate (lulz @ the Biscuits). I’m not a big fan of Jeff Niemann, but then again, I’m no scout. If they’re reluctant to give up Price, we can use Ohman as sweeter to pry more quality out of them. So a proposed deal would be:

TB Gets:
Mark Teixeira

ATL gets:
David Price
1-2 other not so high prospects, probably a middle infielder/3B and another pitcher.

TB gets:
Tex
Ohman

Atl gets:
2 of the 4 mentioned pitchers
1-2 other not so high prospects.

Again, disclaimer: I have no idea if Price is untouchable, but I don’t think its outside the realm of possibility to get him, either. If he’s dangled then there probably no way I don’t make the deal.

Next up: Oakland A’s

In the fanciful situation where Oakland actually buys at the deadline, they would certainly have prospects interesting for the Braves, having stocked up recently. The need for Oakland is as strong as the Rays, but the advantage isn’t as clear cut. They still need to play catch up with the Angels, and will Tex be able to make that difference? Also, I don’t think we’re in nearly as strong of a bargaining position with the A’s as the Rays.

Regardless, a few names jump out. First is Sean Doolittle, the A’s sandwich pick last year from UVA. He’s mashing in High-A ball, and could probably compete for the starting first baseman job as early as ST next year. Christopher Carter is another masher name, but seems more raw than Doolittle and isn’t availible to help as soon (which we would need if we trade Tex). Would getting Doolittle help ease Thompson into signing? Oakland’s pitching prospects might be easier to pry away from Beane than his hitting prospects, and the jewel is Trevor Cahill.

Oak gets:
Tex

Atl gets:
Doolittle or Cahill
others.

About the other hopeful contenders, I just couldn’t find a good fit. Arizona and Los Angeles have perfectly fine first basemen, and lack the DH position to throw them into. NYY have the great Giambino, and all of the NL central contenders have equally talented or better than Tex in the first place. So…that’s it. Tampa Bay is tailor made for us to trade Tex to them, as well as Oakland should they choose to buy. Other than that, I don’t see another team having a whole lot of interest unless the Dodgers get the veteran urge again or the Diamonbacks magically find another position for Conor Jackson. Although I’d love to make a deal centering around Max Scherzer…

And for all you nay-sayers who say we can’t get top talent for Tex, I point to the proposed Sabathia deal. I also point to the fact that if we DON’T get exactly who we want, there’s no burning need to trade him in my opinion. So if we can’t get the likes of Price, Doolittle, or Cahill, then…we just don’t. Play to the end of the season and try to resign him or take our draft picks and call it a day.

Yeesh, I didn’t mean to turn this into a dissertation. For the tl;dr among you, basically I said Tex for 1 top prospect + other pieces from the Rays or A’s.

by Something Profound on Jul 6, 2008 1:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great way to look at this

Well done. The only way to even talk about this is to realistically look at who might actually want Tex and what would be reasonable to get back. Even in his Boston days, Arroyo straight up for Tex would be a terrible trade for the team giving up Tex.

You mentioned not being sure of this, and I think it needs clearing up, David Price is untouchable. No way they trade him. But, Tampa Bay is a possibility, no first base prospects of any value in the organization, and they have plenty of young pitching. Wade Davis, Jacob McGee, Jeff Niemann, plent of good players.

I like the Oakland idea. Doolittle would be a great pickup. Add him and a couple of B+/A- type pitchers (Cahill seems like a reach, but it’d be a great pickup) and that might be worth doing.

by cbwilk on Jul 6, 2008 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree that Price is untouchable as far as his pitching and his trade value.

Id also like to applaud the ideas in this post. these are really the only two teams that could use Tex. Although i would throw the Angels in the Mix, because while they have Kotchman they could use a solid DH, unless they are planning on moving Vlad permanently to DH. ALso, the Angels have a ton of talent in the minors. Nick Adenhart is the guy that i would want from them specifically, Brandon Wood would also be a nice addition because of our future 3B situation( theoretically we could move CHipper to first). I think the Rays are the most “in need” ( a have quotation marks cause currently the’ve won 6 straight and have the best record in baseball). But i also think the Angels might be willing to make a deal, if they feel their position atop the West is threatened.

And maybe this should go somewhere else, but if the brewers do trade for Chunks, they are really throwing all their chips into the pot. Sheets is also a FA and so is Chunky so they would be left with no nbr 1 starter, hell they barely have a nbr 3 starter.

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by Swo12bv on Jul 6, 2008 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??? There is NO FUCKING CHANCE IN ALL THE FIRES OF HELL that Tampa gives up THE TOP PROSPECT IN ALL OF BASEBALL for whats gonna amount to a one year rental when their current 1B WON THE SILVER SLUGGER LAST YEAR.

And as for the Reds argument…I guess you haven’t heard of Joey Votto. He’s playing pretty well so far.

Face it guys, Tex aint going anywhere. DEAL WITH IT.

by bigjoe on Jul 6, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ITT bigjoe misses the point.

I also advise blood pressure medicine.

by Something Profound on Jul 6, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Learn How To Do This.

First, determine which teams would want Tex. Here’s your Check List for any future trade proposals:

1) The Team must be in contention
2a) The Team must not have promising youngsters at 1B, even if they’re struggling
2b) The Team must not have a leading veteran at 1B, even if they’re struggling
4a) The Team must be able to afford the move in terms of trade value
4b) The Team must be able to afford the move in terms of money (current and future)

So far, I think every team you’ve mentioned fails in multiple categories, so you must be more careful if you expect to be taken seriously. Honestly, I doubt that you do, but whatever.

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by ejruiz on Jul 6, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Couple Other Teams that MIGHT...be interested.

I could see the Dodgers looking at Tex if they thought they could hold up with the additional offense. I know they have Loney but Loney can play LF if he needed to, and You could play Kemp in CF with Either in RF. Kind of a stretch but they have some prospects and they desperately need a bat. I could even see a package of Tex and Infante

LA Angels would be an obvious choice: They have the talent and need a Tex-like bat. He could DH/1B with Kotchman. His presence hitting hehind Guerrero would have a season altering effect on their line-up.

Boston: If the Red Sox have problems catching up to the Rays and Pappi can’t come back then I could see the Red Sox at least talking to the Braves.

by calbers on Jul 6, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, No and No.

As ridiculous as Loney in LF is, that’s probably not even why L.A.’s N.L. team will pass on Tex; the Dogers have too much money invested in Pierre and Andruw to have them both riding the pine. As for the Angels, they have Kotchman at 1B and four OF (with a couple getting up there in age) meaning that one usually has to DH. They’re also notoriously stingy when it comes down to trading prospects. Finally, you said it yourself: the BoSox aren’t getting a 1B/DH until they know what the deal with Papi is.

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by ejruiz on Jul 6, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

theres no way that the dodgers make that trade. they already have Garciaparra and Andruw, and if you trade for Tex, one if not both of those guys are now sitting on the bench thats like a 25M bench.

I already made the case for teh Angels so i agree with u and ur right their lineup would be sick.

There’s also no way Boston makes this trade. they’ve already shown they dont want to give up the farm for a guy, the Johan deal. Also they have no where to put Tex, you can’t DH him because currently thats Manny’s job, and when Ortiz comes back he is the DH. You said if Ortiz doesn’t come back, if that happens they still don’t do the deal because they still don’t have a place to put Tex, unless you want put a gold glove infielder in as your DH, which doesn’t make any sense (Lowell, Youk and Tex are the gold glovers i speak of, unless you didn’t know). The only thing the Sox would be in the market for would be an OF, and thats only if Ortiz cant play. They certainly don;t need a SP.

and to address the ejruiz, if we follow your rules im not clear as too which part the Rays don’t qualify for. I know Pena is a topshelf 1B, but only offensively, he isnt a great defender (although he is better than others), and puttin him at DH would allow him to concentrate on hitting only. It reminds me of what happened to David Ortiz, he played a fair amount of 1B while with the Twins, then he DH exclusively with the Sawx, and we all know what happened. The Rays definitely have the talent to complete the deal and still have a relatively strong farm system, and they have plenty of cap room. I live in tampa and hear stuff everyday, they have shown they are willing to spend money a little more than they have in the past, so i dont think the monetary issue is a problem.

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by Swo12bv on Jul 6, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rays.

I explained above why the Angels shouldn’t count, but that’s just me. As for the Rays, Price has to be off limits. Maybe they’d throw in one of their other high-upside arms, but I doubt much more. Tex will command less than Sabathia and, from what I gather, the Indians are getting one top prospect and change.

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by ejruiz on Jul 6, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

Now that I see that its just LaPorta and lower level guys Price is probably off limits. But I still maintain that Tex to the Rays, if we choose to trade him, is a match made in heaven. I wouldn’t trade Tex is we DIDN’T get one of their high upside arms.

by Something Profound on Jul 6, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

im relatively familar with the Brewers organization, as i follow them very closely (they are by favorite team not named the Braves)... from what i have heard the other guys arent just change, and i am assuming you dont believe they are organizational depth. The offer on the table was 2 of the brewers top 5 prospects but not 2 of their top 3, (which means they can have either LaPorta,Matt gamel, or Alcides Escobar)... as for the other two players i beleive its Lorenzo Cain, and he may be the best defensive OF in their system, id compare him to Schafer with less upside offensively and slightly les defensive skills, but more speed. and the other guy is a 3B prospect in A ball,.he is currently the next Brewers 3B ( i forget his name), becuase i beleive Prince will be goen and Gamel be moved to First, or Hardy to Third Taylor to First Gamel to the OF and Escobar at SS.

but i assure you that the Brewers are not giving up LaPorta and change the otehr two are quality players at least one of which has some serious upside.

AND again i agree theres no way we are getting Price, but that doesnt mean we cant get something great from their system, they have the best system in baseball (arguably).

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by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they didn’t give up cain. they traded laporta, jackson (who is horrible), green has a PTB, and bryson. laporta is the real star…jackson isn’t even a prospect, and green & bryson are both rated in the teens coming into the year

by bigjoe on Jul 7, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

o ok, then i havnt seen the offical trade yet so this is news to me, and ur correct they gave up change… i had heard Cain might be part of the deal… my apologizes

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by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah there is zero chance the Rays part with Price for a player who will be there 2 months. If we trade Tex we aren’t anywhere near the players you think we would. Whoever trades for him knows they may not be able to keep him (in the Rays case no chance) so they aren’t giving up top prospects for him.

by dwbrave on Jul 6, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ur right we wont get Price, but did u see what the Indians are supposedly getting for Sabathia. Matt LaPorta is a bigger, stronger Ryan Braun. they are also getting a top shelf prospect in addition to LaPorta and another prospect. SO while i agree we wont get Price, and i really dont think we will trade Tex, its not out of the realm of possibilities that if we trade him we can get a very high rate of retunr

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by Swo12bv on Jul 6, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

laporta has nowhere to play really in milwaukee, so they can afford to get rid of him

by bigjoe on Jul 6, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not true, COrey Hart would move to CF, Braun to right and LaPorta would play left… its not a great defensive OF but with the amount of runs they would score it wouldnt matter. On top of the fact that after next year Prince will be gone, becuase he is upset with the Brewers organization over his contract (sound like someone we know). Wih Prince gone LaPorta or Gamel can play 1B, with the other playing LF, theres also a probability that Gamel plays third, which means Hardy will no longer have a job, with Alicides Escobar taking his spot. But nonetheless, there is definately plenty of options for the Brewers to have LaPorta in the lineup. worst case move Braun back to third, deal with the amount of errors, and have LaPorta play LF.

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by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

corey hart is DEFINITELY not a center fielder. fucker is lanky as shit and while he has decent speed, its not what you’d want from a CF.

by bigjoe on Jul 7, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

like i said its a horrible defensive CF, the other option is Braun in center, because he is an exceptional athlete, but i wouldnt want him achoring my OF with a half season in the OF under his belt, which is the only reason id put “I Wear My Sunglasses at Night” in CF

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by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

also i must say while the start of this post was idiotic (no offense, but Tex for Arroyo is dumb)... i have loved every minute of it since that much appreciation to big joe, and ejruiz for indulging my need to pretend like i know what the hell im talkin about.

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you’re not spreading hogwash like PRICE AND OTHERS FOR TEX!!! so its all good

by bigjoe on Jul 7, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ive said it since people started talkin about trading Tex, even if we wanted to i dont think there is a team out there that will make the deal, everything Ive said in relation to the Angels and Rays has been hypothetical, at best. It was merely for the sake of conversation. Our asking price fro Tex will be too high, no team has the need, and we arent going to be out of the race by the deadline which means if anythign we will be buyers at the deadline.

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing as i just said i think we will be buyers, does anyone think it would be worth it to acquire Rafael Betancourt from the Indians, there was an article, related to the CC deal, which said the Indians may attempt to shop him. He was flat out dominant last year, and i think has had trouble this year, because he doesn’t have a defined role… He could be our 8th inning guy and allow our bullpen to have a solid anchor and allow the rest of our guys to fall into a more defined role, instead of having Boyer and Acosta pitch 2 innings all the time.

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Deals for relievers are always the worst....

But I’d take Betancourt from the Indians. No clue what they’d want for him though. I also think that part of his struggles have been from being moved around so much, from setup to closer, back to setup and to whatever he’s doing now. It would shore up the bullpen and give us another arm for next year, so I like it.

by bravesfan91 on Jul 7, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they want a MI and maybe an OF i think… so maybe Lillibridge and/or Brandon Jones… if we give up both maybe we can get a prospect from them.

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jul 7, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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