Why doesn't anybody like baseball or Bored @ work open-thread.
I came across this after mourning another coulda, woulda, shoulda loss by the Braves. I don't feel the need to explain my fanhood, I'll simply give a brief synopsis. I've watched Braves baseball forever. As a 10, 11, 12-year old kid I remember many trying to stay awake to watch the game on TBS. I got older, and I followed but I didn't make an effort to watch every game. When I found out that TBS wasn't going to show all the games anymore, I realized I had taken for granted being able to see every game on national TV. I made special efforts to watch games, since I knew they were limited. The more it was taken away, the more I realized I loved it. Now, I can see every game and I can't get enough of it.
Needless to say, I'm probably a bigger fan of MLB baseball than anybody I know. Which is why I'm on the blog, because nobody else I know follows this team enough to have a conversation. And this brings me to why number 2 above bothers me so much-- so many people don't watch baseball. At least not like they follow football.
Although I've never really cared for him, Joe Buck has a point. Our society likes football because its much easier to be fan. If your an NFL guy, your team plays 16 regular season games. Everything happens on Sunday, and you can see the whole league's highlights during half-time of the Monday night game. College has more games per weekend, but your team actually plays less. You don't have the demand of 90-something games a week from April until September. In football, players can make an impact from they day they are drafted or their freshman year. In baseball, it could take 4 of 5 years for a guy to even wear an MLB uniform. Football players have bad games, baseball players can slump for a whole month. Much more is on the coaches in football, because they hand-pick every play or every defensive set. Managers have less control of whether a guy can get a clutch RBI single to the opposite field in the 8th inning. I feel like George Carlin (R.I.P.), and that isn't point. Everybody knows the difference.
I like football too, don't get me wrong. NFL and NCAA, and I like NCAA basketball as well. My point is not to complain that people need to start watching baseball instead of football, but just to implore other baseball fans: what does baseball need to do to get more fans? What happened to the national pastime (I realize it hasn't been that for decades)? Has good ol' fashion American laziness taken the place of the Great American Game?
I don't think Joe Buck should have said what he did. You have a guy with a baseball pedigree calling national games, and then he basically says he isn't interested in baseball outside of work. I know if he ever calls a Braves game I'll be listening to the radio, simply because I want to hear a baseball fan calling the game. Not somebody doing it because it's their job. Unfortunately, I think that his comments echo much of the sentiment of the nation.
If you've read this far, and you are at work, you're lucky you don't get fired! But what do you guys think? Why has baseball fallen out of favor?
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Joe Buck did a game last year, Mets vs. Braves, Glavine vs. Smoltz I, and all I remember is him doing commentary, and not being able to let go of the fact that one of the random noises at Turner Field upon a foul ball is a Chewbacca roar.
Buck’s credibility is always in question, to me:
“That was a despicable, tasteless, and disgusting act and I apologize to all our viewers who had the misfortune of witnessing it at home!” Minutes later, “After the game stay tuned for Temptation Island only on FOX!”
Football is easy to keep track of. That’s all that has to be said why. It’s once a week, and it’s more physical – people slamming into other people, always the risk of injury, and scores are worth 2, 3, or 6, not one. Clock management/use of timeouts is as scientific as a process as managing a bullpen to some, and just to re-iterate, football is once a week. Fans can catch their breath, gush about a great game/play, get tired of it, gear up, and get ready for next Sunday, and then repeat the process.
Baseball – Jeff Francoeur hits a walk-off homer against the Dbacks, a few of us see it, because it’s an afternoon game, but then the next two days, he goes 2/8 with four strikeouts. We have no time to bask, relish, and enjoy the post-game victory, because in less than 24 hours, it’s game-time again. Lots of people don’t like that.
Football is easy, baseball is not – my bottom line.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Jul 3, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
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It is easy...I think that is true.
I don’t know if SEC football is as big in Atlanta as it is in the state of Alabama, but people go to great lengths for college football here. RVs decked out with with War Eagle or Roll Tide Roll, driving hundreds of miles to tailgate from Friday to Sunday. Knowing every coach, every player in the whole conference. Having your team on everything, right down to the napkins that wipe the potato salad from your mouth. This is dedication.
It was the same with basketball in Kentucky. People camp out literally for weeks to get tickets for Midnight Madness (later renamed Big Blue Madness). It’s a practice and the tickets are free! I’m not exaggerating. I would walk to class and see tents by the box office and wonder how much their disability checks were for, because they sure weren’t working.
Anyway, my point is that people are willing to go the extra mile for sports. If people truly loved baseball, they would do the same. But I’m not even talking about that. I remember even when I was a kid, hearing adults who were not by definition baseball fans, talking about the World Series. Or at least knowing how a team was doing.
To illustrate my point, a lady was showing me apartments two days ago. She said she was from Atlanta originally and some how we go talking about Georgia football. They are the people I described above, driving 3 hours each way from Birmingham to Athens to watch a game. I asked her if she was a Braves fan, and she said, “oh yeah, we like the Braves. How are they doing this year?” So, evidently you don’t like them that much, because you don’t know that they aren’t off to a stellar start, but you know how old each of the Ugas were and when they died and where they are buried (Uga is the name of the Georgia Bulldog mascot, a bulldog). Also I told her that Chipper was having a great year, but trying to stay off the DL. “Oh he’s getting pretty old, isn’t he?” /roll eyes.
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by jug on
Jul 3, 2008 11:37 AM EDT
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Atlanta’s a special place. 65%, I’d say is SEC pledged, and you’re hard pressed to go anywhere and not work/co-exist with at least one UGA, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee alum. And I’ve worked with countless people whose wardrobes consist of almost nothing but red and black. The other 35% are ACC folks, since Georgia Tech is right downtown. And there are a surprising amount of Virginia Tech grads here, which I found surprising, and every now and then, you run into FSU folks.
As much as it sucks to admit it, Atlanta is first and foremost a college football town, no matter what the Braves have accomplished. Once college football gets underway, the Braves become back-seat, even in the years they were winning 100+ games and losing in the playoffs. I like college football yes, but what everyone says about baseball goes the other way with other sports:
“The start of the season doesn’t matter”
Either it does, or it doesn’t. Lots of people like to believe it doesn’t in baseball because there are 162 games, but look at the Detroit Tigers – they’ve taken forever to get to where they are right now. Those same people firmly believe that it’s supremely crucial at the start of football, because they only play 11-14 games, 16 in the NFL.
Unfortunately, the media doesn’t share in this sentiment, because once football begins, only the real baseball fans will continue to care.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Jul 3, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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I went to the bar...
...with my roomates the afternoon that the NFL draft started. I am, as you know, a huge baseball fan. Two of my other roomates were baseball fans as well (Orioles, Red Sox), but one of them just got married and moved to Houston. My final roomate is an interesting guy, to say the least. He watches baseball. He plays fantasy baseball. But he’s a Redskins fan to the core. He knows his football, which is cool. I like football. I watch football. But this coming season I’m not so sure. Being a Falcons fan the entire Mike Vick debacle was draining, and in the process they also cut Alge Crumpler and Warrick Dunn…not to mention trading DeAngelo Hall. So, basically there is no one left on the team that I like.
Anyways, I’m getting off of the subject. While we were at the bar my roomate tells me, very matter-of-factly, that the football draft is much more in depth and requires much more research than the baseball draft. I was speechless. I actually don’t think I spoke with him the remainder of the time we were there. In football you identify your areas of need…you pick the best available player at that area (or if you select high enough, you might just take the BPA period)...and then you plug him in. He only plays one side of the ball. Whereas in baseball you have to take into account the rosters of at least 4 teams when you include the minor leagues, you have to take into account which side of the plate the batter swings from, whether or not the player can provide the right amount of power to play a corner outfield position, whether or not the player’s offense is good enough to erase any concerns about his poor defense, etc, etc.
It’s no contest in my mind, but I’ve accepted the fact that most Americans really do believe that there is more to football. It’s laughable, but it’s true. That’s why I tend to stay away from arguements about football, and that when I run into a baseball fan that doesn’t even know what Baseball Prospectus is I normally don’t even bother wasting my time with them.
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by Smoltz's Beard on
Jul 3, 2008 11:30 AM EDT
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I agree absolutely...
that more people don’t like baseball because you have to use your brain to understand it. It is a more nuanced game. Let’s face it, there are a lot of dumb people out there, or at least a lot of lazy-brained people. On the other hand, I’m not saying you have to be dumb to enjoy football or basketball. I love baseball, and I’m a huge fan of college basketball and to a lesser extent, college football. The NBA and NFL, not so much, but I’ve never really analyzed why.
by sddbaker on
Jul 3, 2008 12:23 PM EDT
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Baseball and Football
I love ‘em both, but in different ways.
Football is an exciting game, and there’s much less of them, so everything matters a little more, plus it’s easier to plan around and you don’t take the games for granted. I’m both a Braves fan and an LSU fan. It would be all but impossible to watch every Braves game, but I never miss an LSU game that comes on TV.
Baseball is a more subtle game, though, and more relaxing. It’s easy to see a guy get tackled, but it takes a trained eye to spot the differences between a fastball and changeup, or whether a pitcher is getting his breaking balls to break. It’s not any less fun, just different.
I can’t buy Joe Buck’s argument that people don’t watch baseball because it’s slow and boring. Anyone kept time in a football game lately? Some of those things go on for 4 or more hours! And I sure don’t sit there the whole time and watch. Sometime about the second and third quarters, I get ancy, walk around, do other stuff, and watch some more. Anyone ever GO to a football game for that matter? It’s not like they play continuously either! Plays last for like 10 seconds, then they huddle, go over game plans, set up, and finally snap the ball. There are TV time outs, officials time outs, instant replay, etc, etc. And, nothing like watching a team run out the clock!!
But, to make a short story long, I think it really boils down to the fact that there are so few football games, so everything matters a whole lot more, which makes it more intense and exciting, and then ESPN etc. play off that excitement and so they have created this huge animal via snowball effect.
by skipcaray on
Jul 3, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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I think you touched on the issue earlier.
When you said that football is 16 games long. Hell, college football is 12! This in of itself is a large reason why people are much more rabid about football. Its a fundamental difference in the style of the game.
For instance, you can’t really tell me that you would be able to muster the same amount of enthusiasm for 81 home games rather than 8. While you mention that people are willing to go the extra mile for sports, they also have a very short attention span. Football provides that short attention span with a hard hitting fast paced game, and then they do it again; not the next day, but next week. In baseball, they do it again the next day. Football has more of the individual day, individual performance aspect to it; you lose A SINGLE game in college football your season isn’t the same. Baseball is more about trends…you win a series over 3-4 days you’re doing good; lose a game and you can right the ship tomorrow.
And I disagree with the general premise that Baseball is declining or that people don’t like baseball. MLB and teams are ROLLING in the money. Now, this is partly due to the ticket price rise, but its also due to soaring attendance numbers. So its not that people don’t love baseball; its just very difficult to muster up as much enthusiasm for a singular baseball game as opposed to a football game.
by Something Profound on
Jul 3, 2008 1:50 PM EDT
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