Media outlets reporting done deal!

by scstrato on Jul 29, 2008 6:09 PM EDT

Tex for Kotchman and Marek

Here's what Sickels recently said about Marek:

9) Stephen Marek, RHP, Grade C+ 3.66 ERA with 57/21 K/BB in 47 innings for Arkansas, doing well in a relief role though command needs improvement.

I personally think we could have done better, but I like Kotchman. I would have held out longer for a starter, but maybe Wren knew this was the best deal he could get.

OH well. Let the flaming of Wren begin ...

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Fuck this deal

big time

by get swoll yunel on Jul 29, 2008 6:11 PM EDT reply actions

oh man

i don’t believe this i really thought we would get a good pitcher like Scherzer but oh well hope Kotchman picks it up and provides something next year

by H0SS on Jul 29, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions

Terrible Trade

Bad trade. Two draft picks would have been better.

by drdonkeypunch on Jul 29, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions

Horseshit.

- Oh, Bobby. -

by sdp on Jul 30, 2008 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions

+92834792847928347928347

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by RainDelay on Jul 30, 2008 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Still need power

Hopefully we can land Jason Bay, and they pursue CC this offseason.

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by cashew on Jul 29, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions

yeah right

by get swoll yunel on Jul 29, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions

K's

Atleast Kotchman puts the ball in play. Tex had 70 k’s to Casey’s 23. I can’t beleive we got one of the Casey 1st baseman. I used to joke and say I never want a Casey at 1st (Kotchman or Sean)

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by cashew on Jul 29, 2008 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I just find it hard to believe that a mediocre first basemen and a slightly above average relief pitching prospect (what are we going after a reliever for anyway) is all we could land for the best available bat (by far) at the trading deadline….

Especially with names like Adenhart, Parker, Scherzer, etc. being thrown out before.

by get swoll yunel on Jul 29, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree, there was still plenty of time until the deadline. We could have let him dangle longer until a GM caved in. Oh well, there’s still Kotsay and Ohman that could return something.

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by cashew on Jul 29, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I doubt Kotsay will get much in return, if anything. He’s too much of an injury risk to a contender.

And a good measuring stick for what Ohman would return is what we gave up for Octavio Dotel…aka Kyle Davies. Probably a bit more, but if you’re hoping for a big impact player then I wouldn’t hold my breath.

by soup du jour on Jul 29, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions

at least mark teixeira knows how to fucking take a walk and hit a home run

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by bigjoe on Jul 29, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Wren needs to get that Jason Bay deal done right away.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 30, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions

Why? That would be pointless. We need to rebuild with YOUNGER players.

by jjcollins on Jul 30, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Jason Bay isn’t that old i think he is 29 around the same age as Tex

by H0SS on Jul 30, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Like who?

Bay is 30 years old and is obviously rebounding from a down year last year. He should be right in the middle of his peak, and not hitting a decline for a couple more years. He’s signed through next year, so if we traded for him we could look at working at an extension (as long as it’s nothing crazy) in which he could still be with the team in 2010 when we could be contending once again.

Please tell me who you would rather try to rebuild around, because we need a power hitting outfielders to hit between Chipper and McCann in the lineup…preferably a RH hitter Here’s the FA’s after this season per MLBTR:

Left fielders
Moises Alou (42)
Garret Anderson (37) – $14MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Milton Bradley (31)
Emil Brown (34)
Pat Burrell (32)
Adam Dunn (29)
Cliff Floyd (36) – $2.75MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Luis Gonzalez (41)
Raul Ibanez (37)
Kevin Mench (31)
Jason Michaels (33) – $2.6MM club option for ‘09
Craig Monroe (32)
Jay Payton (36)
Wily Mo Pena (27) – $5MM club option or $2MM player option for ‘09
Manny Ramirez (37) – $20MM club option for ‘09
Juan Rivera (30)
Center fielders
Rocco Baldelli (27)
Mike Cameron (36) – $10MM club option for ‘09 with a $750K buyout
Jim Edmonds (39)
Mark Kotsay (33)
Corey Patterson (29)
Right fielders
Bobby Abreu (35)
Casey Blake (35)
Cliff Floyd (36) – $2.75MM club option for ‘09 with a $0.25MM buyout
Brian Giles (38) – $9MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Ken Griffey Jr. (39) – $16.5MM club option for ‘09 with a $4MM buyout
Vladimir Guerrero (33) – $15MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Bobby Kielty (32)
Brad Wilkerson (32)

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 30, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry for the poor presentation, as most of it is cut and paste.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 30, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

And...

...we’d only have to pay him $7.5 million next year. Are you against paying under market value for a guy with a .900 OPS?

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jul 30, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

agreed

we were all teased with jarrod parker and jackson type deals tho

by pj16 on Jul 29, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions

I knew we wouldn’t get much. Not a big fan of Kotchman. Very little power, walks very little. Great deal for Angels. It’s obvious other teams weren’t willing to pay much for Tex.

by dwbrave on Jul 29, 2008 6:17 PM EDT reply actions

Yahoo has tonight's lineups up

and Teixeira is still listed at 1B for the Braves … what gives? Could the media have jumped the gun?

by scstrato on Jul 29, 2008 6:18 PM EDT reply actions

I think trade blogs are faster to update than Yahoo Gameday.

by drdonkeypunch on Jul 29, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions

I swear

if that is all we got for teixera the wren needs to be fired on the spot that is seriously unnacceptable

by bravesguy95 on Jul 29, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions

Well..

...you might as well fire JS to because I’m pretty sure he has to sign off on this stuff.

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by RainDelay on Jul 30, 2008 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions

words can’t express how pissed i am right now. if there really were offers involving brandon wood or joe saunders on the table, why turn them down to pick up a first baseman who can’t get on base or hit for power and a fucking AA reliever?

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by bigjoe on Jul 29, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions

Probably because that wasn't on the table.

Look, there’s been lots of talk of what was out there, but nothing happened so, if a better deal was really there it would have been taken. Maybe this deal isn’t great, but there are no guarantees with draft picks either, so getting something for Tex isn’t a bad move. Plus there is nothing official on the 2nd player, or at least wasn’t when I last looked.

by Perrinbar on Jul 29, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions

i’m just horribly confused as to how it went from kotchman-adenhart-prospect to…kotchman-fringe prospect

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by bigjoe on Jul 29, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps there weren’t. The situation was very poor to try to trade Teixeira this year because of how many contenders had options at first base. There wasn’t a perfect fit available (even though the Twins would’ve made all kinds of sense).

I’m just pissed that Wren felt the need to pretend we care about the rest of the season by picking up Kotchman rather than even a B prospect with upside – Bourjos, Rodriguez, something with more upside than Kotchman being a 300/370/470. That’s nothing special, but we’ll control him for something like 3-4 more seasons at below market prices at which point something with Flowers, Freeman, Heyward, Person X will be available to take over.

Marek is a guy who should be shifted back to being a starter. He walks a lot of guys, but compensates by missing bats and getting ground balls. That has more value as a #4-5 starter than as a decent reliever.

by 17843 on Jul 29, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions

i’d even fucking take KENDRY MORALES

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by bigjoe on Jul 29, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

If it's

true that Kotchman is just a stopgap then he makes sense as future trade bait with that contract. So it’s possible we flip him to someone once we have our 1st baseman of the future in place.

by Perrinbar on Jul 29, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Dissapointing

I can accept getting Kotchman. I don’t think he is a difference maker at 1B but I think he can be a contributor to a good line up. However, the Braves have been so offensively dissapointing this year that we need our 1B to be a reall offensive contributor. If you had Frenchie developing into your proto type RF and KJ hitting like he should (or at least I thought he should be) then Kotchman isn’t a bad fit for the Braves. My frustration is that we got a AA reliever who is 25 yrs old? I am not a prospect guru..but 25 is really old for AA. You have to look at any success he has had there with some scepticism given his age.
I am more frustrated with the lack of quality additional players. If we are taking Kotchman and third rate AA reliever would should have at least been able to Get Juan Rivera or ROb Quinlan to look at as LF options!

by calbers on Jul 29, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions