we part with Hanson. He and Heyward are probably the only untouchable prospects at this time. Schafer could eventually be moved if the organization thinks that Gorkys could be the CF of the future.

you want to trade hanson AND schafer? and MORE? for jason bay and ian snell?

...REALLY??

And Jason Bay is no Cabrera. 4 or 5 years older and not the same elite bat. Then again, Schaefer is no Maybin. Bay is good, but we are giving up way too much for him to + Snell. Schaefer would need to be dealt to get Bay, but I don’t think it’s a good idea to buy. And there’s no reason to trade for Snell, especially since he’s awful this year.

Teix and Ohman for a package of Kotchman, Adenhart, and more sounds good actually, but the Angels are too stingy to pull the trigger on that kind of deal.

when we are still 6.5 games out and behind three teams. We are giving up a lot of future potential for an outside chance to catch the mets, marlins, & phils. As much as Bay would probably help us, I just do not see him sparking that big a rally, and the pitchers we currently have are better than Snell.

You have to remember that JoJo, Jair, & Campillo will be hitting their career highs in innings pitched soon, and may not be as good down the final stretch. So we would be giving up a lot, just for an outside shot at making it to the playoffs.

just for the hell of it…

MIGUEL CABRERA TOP 3 B-R SIMILAR BATTERS THROUGH AGE 24
Hank Aaron
Ken Griffey Jr
Frank Robinson

JASON BAY TOP 3 B-R SIMILAR BATTERS THROUGH AGE 28
Geoff Jenkins
David Justice
Kevin Mitchell

do you see now why its insane to give up 6 prospects for him and a guy who’s most similar pitcher this season is adam eaton?

Every single one of those proposals is improbable… well done! Your most realistic deal is one that was already proven false. Thanks for the laugh…

At the time of the trade that’s what they thought they were trading for. It’s a comparable trade, nothings an exact.

Look, I realize it’s a lot. But that’s likely the price we’d have to pay to get what we want. We can’t trade scraps and expect high talent in return. We gave up 5 top prospects to get Mark Teixeira and Ron Mahay for a year, but Jason Bay and Ian Snell for the next couple of years is ridiculous at 6 prospects? We can afford it without giving up all of our best prospects, without giving up the prospects we truly need, and without killing our depth in any position.

Ian Snell has had a crap year, I understand that. I mentioned it in the post, you’re not telling me anything I haven’t researched. I also looked at game by game stats and he hasn’t pitched nearly as badly as his overall stats look like. He’s still young and good. Like I suggested, I think he just needs a change of scenery.

I also understand that Bay isn’t as good as Cabrera. But a Cabrera isn’t available and Bay is still a very good outfielder. Our prospects aren’t exactly as good as the ones the Tigers gave up either.

If you think I’m crazy, fine. But I modeled it after a previous blockbuster trade that went through – not some random idea I had. So if I’m crazy, so are the Tigers’ front office. It didn’t work out the way it did, but I believe everyone was praising them at the time of the trade and ready to promote them the best team in baseball. I replaced the prospects they gave up to what they roughly would be in our system.

We have good prospects, but I think most of you are severely overrating them. Schafer was busted for steroids and isn’t exactly killing it like he was last year. Hanson is good, too, but he’s struggled some this year and scouts aren’t sure how he’ll handle high-levels because of his extreme flyball tendencies. He’s still far from a sure thing. I don’t get the “untouchable” status for either, especially when receiving good, proven Major League talent in return.

Terrible, just terrible.

All the trade scenarios aren’t good at all. We would be giving up way too much. Bay is good, but he isn’t a star like Tex. Ian Snell is having a down year, but again, he isn’t the answer for the pitching staff.

We need a good hitting outfielder, but I say we just wait. The Braves will be sitting pretty in a few years once Heyward and some of other minors make their way up to the Braves organization. Why mortgage the future for a possibility of making the playoffs? Trading for Bay and Snell doesn’t sound like a guarantee to me to make the playoffs, so why go there?

I say wait till the off season, we have a lot of money coming off the books. Try to resign Tex, but if he is too much try to find someone else.

first off this may or may not be the same guy… Holty i think his name was… doesnt this sound like him, an outreagueous trade prosasol that makes no sense and is based off the faulty logic that willis and cabrera= snell and bay… no tto mention we are giving up more than the tigers did, in my estimation, the other deals are ok but we’ve already discussed them in length…

I wanted to touch on something i just discovered the other day, in my estimation the Braves will have a base salary as a team next year of around 50 or 60M, depdning on what smoltz gets for a contract, he currently has a 12M option i believe, and if we resign a couple of guys… Tex (not a chance really), or glavine… Generally the Braves spend in the neighborhood of 90M which give us around 40-30M to spend. Also, the Braves won’t need to dole out a ton of money in Arbitration because Frenchy is having an off year (to say the least)

I think we have our 1B of the future, whether it be FLowers, Freeman, Heyward, or even Cody Johnson (remember he isnt even 20 yet). so all we really need is a stop gap for one or two years at 1B. I think the most glaring thing the Braves need to do is ptiching, the rotation needs a front line starter (i don’t think Hudson is an ace, he is a low nb1 or high nbr 2 but not an ace) Sheets and Sabathia are both on the market. I think it is imperative that the Braves make a serious run at one of those two. Theres no way i want to spend 20M but if we can get one of them for around 15-17M a year for maybe 5-6 years, i say go for it.

But back to the 1B situation, like i said we need a stopgap. Here is a short list of the guys that are FA to be this offseason… Ben Broussard, Sean Casey, Eric Hinske, and Doug Mientkiewicz. If we can sign Eric Hinske I think that should be our top guy to get. HE isn’t just a flash in the pan hitter, his ops is around 860 this year i believe, he can play the OF and 1B, he is a former ROY (not that that means a lot, but it helps my case so im gunna bring it up). Sean Casey and Doug Mientkiewicz are both very solid defensive 1B, and both are avg hitters. Sean Casey is an exceptional hitter in my opinion, if it weren’t for his lack of power. I think all of these guys can be signed for around 5-7M.

If both of these signings can occur, a 1B, and a front end starter we can compete next year, and I’ve only spent half of our proposed cap room. This next part could get a little scary if the first part wasnt already. I propose we sign Pat Burrell, hopefully to a 1-2 year deal. we slot Burrel in behind Chipper and our offense is no worse than it is this year. Casey Blake is another possibility. We could even sign Blake as our 1B, but i’m currently addressing our OF, so Iver put him here. Adam Dunn is also a FA, and he could be thrown in the mix.

I know a lot of these guys have their defincies, Sheets (injuries), Sabathia (afinity to sausages and beer, at least recently), the 1B considered to be avg or slightly above avg, Burrell and Dunn tend to swing and miss a fair amount. But besides sheets and Sabathia we are only looking for a year maybe two out of the guys. Worst case we are no worse than we are this year, best case we have Hinske, whose production is hgiher than any OF we have, Blake same thing, and our Rotation now looks quite menacing, with Hudson Jurrjens and Sheets/Sabathia.

I just stumbled across the proposed 2009 FA and this is how i came to this idea, i may be whacked out of my head (it wouldnt be the first time), but i think this makes sense. Does anyone else agree? Beard feel free to back me up or shoot me down with the stats

Let’s say for a moment that Tex gets traded. Assuming we don’t get a 1B back in the deal, and with Thorman gone for the Olympics, who plays first? Do we use someone to play out the string (Norton, possibly Diaz) or give a youngster a shot?