Change of Subject: VIP seating
Both Saturday's and Sunday's games, I was busy during the afternoons, and unable to watch the games live, and bask in the player bashing, random subjects, and verbal-through-text camaraderie with the rest of my fellow Braves fans this weekend. And as much as I enjoyed watching Friday's gem by Jurrjens, I was quite distraught after watching via DVR the two following games.

Normally, at times like this, I try to bring the funny, or the positive, or something to attempt to take the minds off of the disappointment of more one-run, road losses, to yet another below-average team we should've beaten. But even for me, it's getting difficult. I'm tired of hearing beat-writers, friends, and ESPN talk about how great the American League is, and how the "Juniors" keep defeating the "Seniors" and so forth. Personally, I think Interleague is pointless aside from teams with natural, geographic rivals, and the rules of game alignment each year seems to change, and defy explanation. But it's a proven cash-cow, which means it will be around to stay.
I'm tired of watching games that seem completely winnable, finish out as losses, and the Braves having left 10+ stranded base-runners every time. The feeling that when men are on 1st and 2nd, dreading the inevitable pop-fly(s) that will prevent runners from moving over, and/or simply end the inning. Francoeur just keeps sinking further and further, and I heard on the radio this morning for the first time, the 680AM personalities tearing into him. And then after the losses, the site will have about six new members sign up just so they can put up fanposts about how much Francoeur sucks, Boyer sucks, Acosta sucks, Norton sucks, the Braves suck, etc, and then never say anything again until they want to voice displeasure. Nothing personal, but it's quite true - hardly ever do I see the inverse occur; granted, we haven't been winning enough, or in a way that it's worth talking about, but Jurrjens was quite perfect for 4.1 innings on Friday, going 8.0 in all...
So on a change of subject, I hope to bring some discussion - and it goes along the lines of VIP Seating at the Ballpark.
I've sat in 46 degree Opening Weekend cold to see John Smoltz out-duel the Mets. I've sat in 104 degree July heat to see Tom Glavine out-duel the Braves. I've sat in 49 degree New England rain at Fenway Park to see John Smoltz make the Red Sox look stupid. Recently, I sat in the 107 degree Nevada desert dry heat, at a minor league game, wishing that it was John Smoltz pitching. But only once, have I ever gotten my hands on the really, really good, right-behind home plate VIP seats; believe me, if they were readily available to purchase, I'd be more than happy to pay for them. But thank Pujols, that one time, John Smoltz was pitching.
For ever Fenway, Yankee, Shea, Camden Yards, and Wrigley Field, where fans pack the house for every game, whether it's against the Nationals or the Red Sox, there are many other parks that can't even sell out a playoff game.
Atlanta's Turner Field is a good example of this scenario - behind home plate, we have the ScumTrust VIP section right behind home plate, now. Cushy chairs, on-hand food service, and the best seats in the house. And three-times out of four, the section is practically empty. I see it at the games, and I see it on television - yes, people do sit there, but the prime-seats, AKA the ones that are on television for 85% of the air-time, are still dishearteningly empty.
Why? My hypothesis is, being former ScumTrust overhead, that a conglomerate of the 3,217 Assistant Vice Presidents within the company are the ones whom officially have the season tickets to those seats, and unlike they do with their Falcons tickets, don't use them. It's too hot. Too much traffic. Whatever excuse/reason, they go unused, most of the time.
Washington DC, and new Nationals Park is the same way - Boog and Joe were making fun of it earlier this season too. While Jeff Francoeur slugged his way to a two-homer, seven RBI day (sigh), there was next to nobody behind home plate to see it.
PETCO Park, when I went just weeks ago, their VIP section, deserted. Dodger Stadium's VIP section, practically empty, while the rest of the covered-areas were practically elbow-to-elbow - heat wasn't a factor that day, it was 67 degrees.
What I'm getting at, is that a lot of parks suffer from having fair-weather/dispassionate/corporate stiffs having the rights to the best seats in the house, while there are hundreds to perhaps thousands of other people, passionate fans, who would be willing to pay decent money for those seats. The team's already gotten the money for those seats, but do they not see the repercussion of visibly looking poorly attended on television?
If I were a park owner, I would like to do one or more of the following:
1. The Mark Cuban Approach - after purchasing the Dallas Mavericks, Cuban realized that nobody was going to Mavs games. He realized that he needed attendance so that the team could generate revenue on its own, instead of having to go out-of-pocket on everything. So he kinda cheated. He took stacks of unsold court-side tickets, and went to Dallas nightspots. He sought and targeted the most attractive, visually appealing women he could find, and basically gave them all free court-side seating to Mavs games. Sorry gals, pro-sports still are heavily swayed this way. Lots of these women took advantage of these seats; dolled up, and went to the games, hoping to catch the eye of an NBA player, or something. On television, male viewers were consistently treated to, along with the basketball, up and down the courts, row after row of gorgeous women in the stands. The rules of attraction took place here, and soon enough, attendance started to go up. Revenue increased, the Mavs rebranded, and with their influx of money, they were able to pursue free agents, and sign guys like Dirk Nowitzki to big-money. And the Mavs have pretty much been upper-tier NBA since.
2. Guerrilla Ticket Upgrading - VIP seats still unaccounted for in the 3rd inning? Put them up for grabs. Like at an airport gate, offer unclaimed VIP seats up-for-grabs at a reasonable, discounted rate after a certain point in the game. Sure, attendance might look bad on television early on, but when the game gets to the key late-innings, behind the plate might actually look like people give a shit. Owner of a VIP seat, and don't like the idea of someone sitting in your cushy spot? Then show up to the game - it's as simple as that. This benefits the team/park greatly, because it allows the opportunity for more revenue, as well as making the venue look good on television. I'd like to think that this would work, instead of having security have to pay so much attention to those who try to sneak down to better seating all through the games.
What do you folks think? Am I just blowing smoke, or can anyone else see some logic in my outlandish ideas? The point of this is discussion, not arguing, keep that in mind, please.
Tomorrow's today, and unfortunately today's an off-day. So there's always tomorrow, and good riddance to Interleague, and it's against our rival Phillies. Kelly Johnson will be two-handing everything this week, I hope.
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My guess is that every single one of the seats behind home plate is sold, I’m guessing that some of them just go unused by the corporations that purchase them. I believe there is also a bar and buffet area in the ScumTrust Lounge behind those seats which many people who are sitting in those seats spend a lot of their time at. Remember too, that these seats are not occupied by “fans” necessarily, they’re more than not occupied by deal-makers, and VP’s of schmoozing the client, and other such high-powered Atlanta types—these people could give a rats-ass about the game.
“Who’s pitching?”
“I don’t know. Is Maddux still with the Braves?”
“I think so, I heard something about Glavine recently.”
“Oh, who cares, let’s go back to talking about money.”
Bitterness aside, I really, really, really, really, want to sit in those seats this year… call it my goal for 2008.
by gondeee on
Jun 30, 2008 10:57 AM EDT
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Who cares if the seats are already sold? The team could make more money on the seats by selling them as upgrade seats, especially if they weren’t going to be sat in, in the first place. Legally, they could easily protect themselves by stating in the existing 300 words of 4pt type on the backs of their season tickets that “seats are considered forfeit if not redeemed by the bottom of the third inning of game-play, no refunds.”
Leave the best seats for the fans that would truly appreciate them. If corporate stiffs are going to a game to talk about money, let them have the Golden Moon Casino level, where they can talk about all the money they want without disrupting the atmosphere of a baseball game with their oxford blue button-downs, and their cornflower blue ties, and rhetoric about outsourcing and padding their own wallets.
I think it’s important for Turner Field the venue, to want to look like an exciting place to watch a baseball game; they don’t have to sell all 57,000 seats, but at least try and pack the seats that are most frequently seen on television. I understand that most everything is still a business venture, but the solutions I theorize not only can generate more money, but also make the common, every-man (and woman) fans much happier.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Jun 30, 2008 12:37 PM EDT
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I'm stealing this line...
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
by jug on
Jun 30, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Jun 30, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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Dead-on about interleague; when can you own the Braves?
I have grown to despise interleague play. It was novel at first, but as Joe Simpson said yesterday, “it has run its course.” I agree. This year, we actually got a half-way lucky break in playing Oakland, Anaheim, Seattle, Texas & Toronto as opposed to the Yankees, Red Sox (2x), Minnesota & Baltimore last season. Of course, we only managed 8-7 against these AL clubs. But I find myself cheering against NL teams in interleague play because their loss helps our wild card or division hopes. I actually seem to have been to several interleague games over the years, but completely out of coincidence, as I really would rather see Braves-Phillies or Mets than Braves-Mariners any day of the week. Let’s go back to balanced schedules.
Both ideas for the tickets behind homeplate are great. I’ve said in another post I’d be a horrible GM, but I’d probably be a worse owner. Ticket prices are outrageous as it is. If you live in Atlanta and go to more than 10 games a year, it is going to really cost you, not only tickets but other costs like parking and food. I realize that money drives everything, but I just think it is crazy not to let the people who really want great seats to be able to have them (even at a hefty price) or that people who want to go to games can’t afford it.
"Have you ever had your heart broken?"
"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."
by jug on
Jun 30, 2008 11:12 AM EDT
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I try to figure out the Interleague scheduling every year, and every year, there’s some discrepancy that doesn’t make sense.
2008
NL East vs. AL West (4 series) + AL East opponent based on standing from previous year (1 series)
Braves vs. Rangers, Mariners, Angels, Athletics, and then the Blue Jays
Okay, sounds kind of about right… but then:
Nationals vs. Orioles (x1), Rangers, Angels, Mariners (no Athletics), Orioles (x2), and then the Minnesota Twins.
WTF? I can’t figure this stuff out. I don’t even want to to think about what weird throw-in interleague series we’ll have to put up with next year when it’s NL East vs. AL East. Randomly, we’ll have to take on a really strong Twins or Tigers team out of nowhere, with little explanation or something.
The bottom line, the biggest culprit is the fact that the AL has 14 teams, the NL has 16. My ideal solution? Ship the Astros to the AL West – balanced leagues. And then screw it, kill off Interleague. Problem solved. Save the natural rivalries for exhibition – fans will still show up, if they’re that passionate about regional rivalries. Cha-ching.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Jun 30, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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I love it
Especially the Guerrilla Ticket Upgrading idea. I’d spend whatever for the cheapest seats, then wait around (probably with a mob of fans) to try for the good (GREAT) seats. Oh yeah, I’d buy into that in a second – seriously. Maybe it’s an ‘us against them’ mentality I’m feeling, but I could rant against the richies who don’t care about the team I love – what a waste to even let them have tickets!
I’m going to get a torch and a pitchfork – be back in a bit….
by secondbass on
Jun 30, 2008 11:17 AM EDT
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I'm glad to
get a bit of an update on the new seating level, especially since i had seats right down in sec 101 row 2 since before the braves got good (brag, brag – you could really get some sweet seats back in the 80s). So having spent many an evening in the old front rows, i’m here to report that whatever you think is obnoxious about the fans up there – their lack of knowledge, coporocity, or whatever, pales into insignificance when compared to their greed for getting balls from the ballboy. Anyone sitting down in the front rows already feels like a master of the universe, so naturally they want their status acknowledged by hooking up their precious snowflakes with a free ball! The more aggressive dress down the poor ballboys for not hopping to it quick enough with the freebies. The ushers actually have to station a guy at the edge of the screen to manage these lunatics. Of course now that my row 2 buddies are in the fourth row – and no longer vips – they must acknowledge that the people in front of them are more worthy and more entitled to primo souvenirs.
Meanwhile, who the hell are these people playing for the braves? It looks like our liberty media overlords have completed a hostile takeover of the venezuelan all-stars and outsourced the on-the-field jobs…..
"...in baseball you wear a cap." -- george carlin
by Hot Cup Joe on
Jun 30, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
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I’ve got a few friends over at SunTrust, and you’re right in assuming that the people high enough to get the tickets aren’t using this. However, the man in charge of distributing the tickets actually watches the games and is evidently very angry that seats aren’t used. His solution right now is to not give anymore tickets to the people who don’t use them and instead start giving tickets to people lower down in the company. It may take awhile, but the seats should eventually be filled regularly.
by MattDiazFanClub on
Jun 30, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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If ScumTrust were smart
And that’s a pretty big IF.
They should use those top-notch tickets to help sell their crappy products. It’s amazing what little incentive is needed to get people to sign up for a bank account laden with charges, outsourced (read: India) telephone support, and a website full of glitches and security holes. With 81 home games, and 50-75 seats in the section, it would be easy to lace a “Pair of ScumTrust Club tickets with a new Bank Account!” And people would gobble that stuff up. People went ga-ga over a promotion in which a new bank account warranted a $25 gift card, imagine what they’d do for a pair of tickets worth over $100?
Everyone would win. ScumTrust would siphon more accounts to make their portfolio look better before they get merged by another bank, Turner Field attendance would rise slightly, and importantly, make their home-plate ScumTrust section look important and full of enthusiastic fans, and you’d have some fans who got to sit in the best seats in the house.
I know how the ticketing process went over there, many times, my name was on the list of company tickets, and many times I was denied due to seniority. I’d go to the games anyway, and see the area of company tickets on the then Lexus Level, to see that there was nobody there. If you think that was bad, you should’ve seen how vitriolic people got when it came to the Falcons tickets. Y’know, back before Michael Vick was an insane dog murderer, and people actually gave a crap about the Falcons.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Jun 30, 2008 6:18 PM EDT
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Stubhub.com
You can go to this website, www.stubhub.com and purchase the suntrust tickets usually for every game.. Granted, you are gonna have to fork out the dough but they are there.. If I want really good seats, this is where I always go as the prices are alot better than most brokers and its individuals selling the tickets. Later
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on
Jun 30, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
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