Trading for a bat, Teix to BMore?
by JDMaker1 on Jun 24, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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Dunn doesn't show it much, but he loves baseball
Ken Rosenthal, June 24, 2008
A bat for the Braves?
The Braves, who inquired about A's right-hander Joe Blanton earlier this season, no longer are in the market for a starting pitcher. Club officials are encouraged by the progress of the team's young starters and anticipate a potential surplus if lefties Tom Glavine and — ahem — Mike Hampton return from injuries.
The bigger need for the Braves, at least at the moment, is a hitter — preferably a right-handed hitting left fielder. Either the Pirates' Jason Bay or Xavier Nady would fit, but the Pirates are only four games under .500 and not yet ready to concede their season.
BMore a good fit for Teix?
Player cost. The Orioles are building an impressive stable of young arms, including their as-yet-unsigned first-round draft pick, University of San Diego left-hander Brian Matusz. But the team would not need to part with any of those pitchers if it signed Teixeira; its only player loss would be a top draft pick.
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Of course, even with all those arguments for signing Teixeira, Angelos might not be willing to meet the price of the player's agent, Scott Boras. Teixeira rejected a reported eight-year, $140 million offer from the Rangers before getting traded to the Braves last summer. His likely asking price will be eight years, $160 million.
I took some Braves only excerpts from Ken’s article. He seems to think that the Braves are still buyers (which remains to be seen) and that Teix is definitely out at the end of the season. Ken says that Teix will most likely be going to NYC, with either the Mets or the Yanks.
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trade for a bat?
Who would we target? Bay may not be that bad but I wouldn’t touch Nady. What would it cost to get Rios from Toronto? Ben Francisco? Matt Kemp?
by BlueVol03 on Jun 24, 2008 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d love Kemp, but the Dodgers are pretty high on him (despite the fact they were sitting him for Pierre and Andruw)...I would imagine he’d be tough to get.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 24, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is...
A lot of people assume he’ll go to Baltimore, because he’s from Maryland, and would want to play for his hometown…
But he’s from Annapolis, Maryland, which, by all approximation, is closer to Washington D.C., home of the Nationals, than actual Baltimore, Maryland. And the Nationals are kind of in need of a reliable every-day first-baseman, considering Nick Johnson’s injury woes are essentially knocking him out for yet another season, and in his place is … well, Dmitri Young, Pujols bless his wacky personality.
With true ownership in place, as well as a new park, there’s often speculation that the Nationals may open up their wallets for some star-power. Now, to the tune of the likely $20/mil a year for Teix is one thing, but let’s face it, we’ve seen stranger things happen in this game.
But if Teix went to the Nationals, his FART rating would absolutely explode. Not only would Texas fans hate him, but going to a division rival? Atlanta’s fan-base would turn on him, and with Smoltz’s Beard alone being a native up in D.C., Teix’s FART rating would be the first ever to hit 2.000, at the tune of 2.133.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 24, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FART rating?
sorry, that’s a new one for me, could someone explain please?
by Bmacbandwagon on Jun 24, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just something I've been joking around with.
Fan Appreciation from pRevious Team
A legitimate statistic, you know. The more fans hate a former player, the worse their rating becomes.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 24, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The FART Rating is a great statistic developed by royhobbs. Its inception took place a few fanposts back.
by JDMaker1 on Jun 24, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I would certainly give him hell if he went to the Nats.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 24, 2008 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Annapolis is definitely closer to Baltimore, geographically and in terms of baseball loyalty.
by 17843 on Jun 25, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Google Map it.
It’s really, really, really granular… 2.8 miles, that Annapolis is closer to Washington DC/Nationals Park, than it is to Baltimore/Camden Yards.
Granular in distance, but close enough to not rule Washington out of the scenario, if Teix seriously did want to go back “home.”
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 25, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair Dmitri did have a very good year last year, his avg was pretty damn good
by Swo12bv on Jun 26, 2008 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was last year.
This year, he showed up to Spring Training almost 30 lbs. overweight, and clearly is another case of complacency due to guaranteed money. Ironically, the only thing saving him from not being able to have the chance to audition for his next team/paycheck is the fact that Nick Johnson got hurt again this year, giving almost by default, the starting first base nod to D’meathook.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 26, 2008 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe..
..his diabetes had something to do with it? That can attribute at times weight gain. Don’t get me wrong I’m not defending the guy…but saying it’s “Clearly a case of complacency” is a bit too much, since you don’t really know…
by RainDelay on Jun 26, 2008 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I don’t know about his comfort level in the game. But 30 lbs. weight gain from diabetes alone is very, very extreme – and from what my DC friends tell me, his general attitude towards playing is really sour, in comparison to last year’s inspired, “renewed career” vigor he exhibited.
But my harsh statement about complacency wouldn’t be too far off base, if you can recall how many times as sports fans, we’ve seen athletes get guaranteed contracts, and too-coincidentally seem to loaf for the first few years of it, gradually turning it back up as the contract nears completion.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 26, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
QUESTION
You ever play organized sports? Up to what level?
"You never know what I'm going to do..."
- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)
by jamesrael on Jun 26, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Organized: Football Americano, linebacker: high school, freshman and jv level. Baseball : junior-senior little league, until I was 15. Second-base, first base, left-field, and left-centerfield.
I wasn’t good enough at basketball to play for any high school, but I did play organized ball through youth leagues until I was 15.
But then I decided that computers and nerdy shit was the life for me, and I pretty much stopped all organized sports by the time I turned 16. I still go to the gym on a regular basis, when I can get into a league, I’ll still play softball, recreational jogging, hiking, and I stay physically active.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 26, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I don’t know about this whole “perform better towards the end of your contract” conspiracy royhobbs. There are some players that can afford to do that, but I wouldn’t call it the majority. Of course you want to perform when your nextcontract is on the line, but that kind of added pressure doesn’t usually help (see: Andruw Jones).
"You never know what I'm going to do..."
- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)
by jamesrael on Jun 26, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I say
They down-play their abilities at times, so that when they are playing to their best, it looks that much better. Sometimes they play over their heads, and give a million percent. It happens. Nothing impacts next year for a free-agent than a big this year. Look at guys like Alfonso Soriano, Aaron Rowand, Carlos Beltran, who all seemed to “coincidentally” turn up the intensity right before the next contract came up. The Giants are stuck with Barry Zito for seven years, but I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised, if barring injury, we see the old Zito start to come out in 5-6 years – I’m not saying he’s loafing it deliberately now, but I don’t think he’s giving it his all, either.
Andruw is an aberration when it comes to the contract situation. Everyone knows he was trying to have a monster year, but unfortunately for him, and us, it just didn’t turn out that way. It still didn’t change the fact that he’s getting $18 mil for each of the next two years, but he could’ve done better, with just being average.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apparently you just run…for an extended period of time
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 26, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You lost me
What’s that supposed to imply?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 26, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
anchorman quote
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 26, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sad.
...i never saw anchorman… :(
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 26, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d recommend it. Very quotable movie, if you havn’t found out yet.
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 26, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a terrier mix named Baxter
He looks just like the dog in the movie. He’s a huge pimp.
"You never know what I'm going to do..."
- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)
by jamesrael on Jun 26, 2008 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I'm gettin' out of this town alive...even if it kills me.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 26, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it!
can we make it a category in fantasy baseball?
by Bmacbandwagon on Jun 24, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting to see that...
...the club believes our starting pitching is solid enough right now. The innings can be eaten, sure, but who knows how many of them will be quality.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 24, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Solid, no...
...adequate, possibly. That’s my take on what the Braves MO is – strive for adequacy, optimistically hope to get the maximum return on it.
Sometimes, just sometimes, I wish the Braves would pick up players “they don’t necessarily need,” because they’re available. I hate to use to use the Red Sox as examples, but them picking up Casey and Colon seemed excessive, but when injuries to Schilling, Lowell and Ortiz bit them, they had more than adequate fill-ins to take their spots. Colon’s been spotty, and once again injured, but he gave them 4-5 starts, which isn’t horrible. But Casey’s signing is brilliance, thanks to Youkilis’s versatility.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 24, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did that-ever heard of Jeff Ridgeway?
by 10-4 on Jun 24, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was implying...
...veterans who don’t give up a homer every two innings pitched.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 24, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 HRs given up in 4.2 career IP.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 24, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious to whether or not you really could
Remember in Rookie of the Year, the kid after losing his closing arm powers, has to face three batters to save out the game? All you would have to do, is walk a guy, taunt him with allegations that he has a large posterior, and then get him to walk off and have your first-baseman get him with the hidden-ball trick, walk the next guy, and goad him into getting into a run-down between first and second, and pray that Balk-a-Day Bob is not the second-base ump, and then finish out the game using the underhand floater. And that’s, how you get out of 1.0 IP without giving up a homerun, like Ridgway’s been doing.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I couldn’t (even with inside tips from Rook of the Year), but I have to feel like I have an outside chance of getting out of an inning without allowing a big fly. That’s some pretty bad luck.
Just think, maybe I could face Eckstein, a pitcher not named Sabathia or Owings, and an aging Kenny Lofton. I’ve gotta have an outside shot of getting that triumvirate out.
by JDMaker1 on Jun 24, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funky buttloving?
“did he just say ‘Funky Buttloving’?”
by traphicg on Jun 24, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point
I made a point on another thread that our bench players – who became starters due to injuries – made for a dismal lineup: Gotay, Infante, and Norton. As bench guys, okay, but really – when it comes time to depend on them to be regulaers in the lineup, we’re in serious trouble.
by secondbass on Jun 24, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with our starting pitching. Pretty solid if you ask me. Our big problem is we can’t score runs. We absolutely need another bat especially since Chipper can’t be a 150 game player anymore.
by dwbrave on Jun 24, 2008 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We’re 5th in the NL in runs scored, so I don’t really think that’s a problem. If Chipper goes down then we’ll have a problem.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 24, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching
We’ve got an ace, three rookies, a converted career reliever, and a 900-year-old guy on the DL as our starters. Huddy and Jurrgens are the real deal, but with the other guys, you can never be too comfortable. Sure, they’re getting the job done now, but who knows what will happen in a month when hitters catch up to them?
We might not be shopping now, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be later in the season.
Of course, Hampton could always pull a Superman, swoop off the DL and down to the mound, and save the season for us.
HAHAHA yeah right.
by skipcaray on Jun 24, 2008 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is set to make some rehab starts soon . . .
but Moises Alou has a better shot of playing iinjury free for the rest of the year than Hampton does of pitching another MLB game.
by JDMaker1 on Jun 24, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say that?
I’m just curious…
"You never know what I'm going to do..."
- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)
by jamesrael on Jun 24, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Well, they are both made of glass. Alou is done, Manuel believes it and so do I. Hampton is a money-sucking bottomless pit, but I could see him pitching at least 1/3 of an inning in a game at some point (right before he is taken out for an inflamed calf resulting from mosquito bite) this season.
"You never know what I'm going to do..."
- Michael Vick (Palm Beach Post 11/6/2005)
by jamesrael on Jun 24, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well to be honest I was exaggerating just a bit. However, I would be very surprised to see Hampton pitch again. I feel like the curse of Mark Wohlers has really taken over Hampton . . . who strains a pectoral muscle in warm-ups???
In actuality, there is probably a good chance that he throws a pitch this season but I’m not going to hold my breath. I would be less surprised if he trips and breaks his wrist in pre-game warm-ups than if he starts a game.
by JDMaker1 on Jun 24, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bat for Bat
It seems like we’re giving up a gold-glove 1B solid bat to get another bat? I know we cant afford Tex, but can we get like an array of young people, like we gave for him?
We dont need a bat. We dont need a starter (really). We need someone to smack these dudes in the face and tell them to watch Chip’s each and every AB. And take Killa’s take on fielding – be good.
by traphicg on Jun 24, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Jamie Kotsay, Serial Killa, creepy alcoholic, or as he’s known profesionally, Mark Kotsay.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 24, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite BJönes, but good. He does look a bit creepy sometimes.
by JDMaker1 on Jun 24, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know...
Kotsay was nothing short of remarkable this season so far. His ethic, skills, and actual abilities despite paranoia have gone far and away above expectations.
BJones as well, i must say, is electric and fun as hell to watch. But he needs a MUCH hotter wife in order to label Killa as “not quite”.....
by traphicg on Jun 24, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I meant the nickname Killa wasn’t quite as funny to me as BJönes (Bee-yones) was . . . or even Brenteria.
by JDMaker1 on Jun 24, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hitting and pitching are solid
I don’t think our problem is hitting nor pitching. It’s clutch performance.
Bases loaded 1 out…guess what’s coming.
Popup to end the game…guess what’s coming.
Guy with 1 HR in his past 8,000 at bats at the plate with one on and down by one…guess what’s coming.
by Bobby Cocks on Jun 24, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So if we trade for a bat this year . . .
So if we trade for a bat this year lets just say Jason Bay for the sake of a conversation, and then allow Tex to walk because lets face it 8 years 160M for a 29 year old first baseman is not a contract I’d be comfortable with. So Tex walks, move Chipper to 1B in hopes of keeping him healthier. Rotoauthority is reporting that Ben Sheets could be had for 3 years 47M. Either search for a third baseman free agency or promote from the minors. I know we aren’t technically out of the race this year – but it’s still fun to think about next year. Adding Bay and a pitcher like Sheets makes our team much better without increasing payroll all that much.
Point is I think the best move to make for this season and the next is acquire a right handed batter for LF – this makes us better this season and provides a great contingency for replacing Teixara production next year. I don’t know maybe that’s what Wren is thinking by going after a bat. Plus, I hear the Braves are still scouting Garcia.
Kdog106883
by Kdog106883 on Jun 25, 2008 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Wren will make a decision pretty soon about what he wants to do wih Tex. If he really believes like all of you do that he won’t sign him after this year, then I just don’t see any way that they don’t trade him. Imagine what we could get for him from a team like the Yankees who are starting to play alot better and could be a buyer this year. If they keep him this year, then I think that shows that they are going to actually try to sign him in the off-season. I wouldn’t give up on the idea of that happening. I know the Braves don’t usually pay big contracts to free agents, but they also don’t usually have the amount of money coming off of the books that they are going to have after this year. I think one of the biggest concerns is what we are going to do with Frenchy. It’s pretty clear that he thinks he’s worth more than he really is.
by bravesooner10 on Jun 25, 2008 3:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this scenario
is all predicated upon the fact that someone will be willing to give up some big name prospects for 2 months of a very good player. We did it because we got a year and 3 months. and i think we knew somehitng about those guys that other people didn’t ( i have this odd theory that any prospect the Braves trade isnt any good, anyone want a list… ill do one if its asked of me). even with the yankees competing why would they give up big name prospects when they can wait for two months and sign him. It seems the Yankees have been shying away from thier old ways of giving thier prospects away for free. The Mets certainly won’t give us anything for Tex, i dont think the Orioles will either (there’s actually signs of intelligent life in Baltimore recently, wierd i know) Who else is a player in the Tex sweepstakes, the Mariners? they wont do it they are out of the race already and would have nothing to gain, the same goes for the Os.
Even if we wanted to trade Tex, i dont think anyone would give us anything that is worth it, we will most liekly get two first round draft picks for him ( or i guess this is best case scenario)
by Swo12bv on Jun 26, 2008 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t trade draft picks in baseball
by jjcollins on Jun 26, 2008 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
but if Tex signs elsewhere we will get their first rounder and a compensatory pick. This is why we didn’t have a 1st rd pick this year, we signed Glavine away from NY.
So yes, we can get draft picks for Tex, just not through a trade.
by BlueVol03 on Jun 26, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Tex signs with a team that has already given up their 1st round pick b/c of another signing…what happens then?
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 26, 2008 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for explaining that for me. and this is a response to Beard, I’m not positive so don’t hold me to this but i beleive if hte other team already has given their first round pick, we get nothing, if i’m correct.
by Swo12bv on Jun 26, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I was afraid of. It certainly is an interesting system.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 26, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i completely share ur worries. Especially becuase its not like we can have affect on who Tex signs with, thus he will take the best offer and if that offer is from a team that has nothing to offer we are screwed. But i still don’t think we can trade him, because of the numerous factors.
by Swo12bv on Jun 26, 2008 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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