Getting Rid Of The DH
According to www.si.com's truth and rumors (which you HAVE to take with a grain of salt), Hank Steinbrenner is less than pleased with the National League.
"My only message is simple," Steinbrenner said in Tampa, Fla. "The National League needs to join the 21st century. They need to grow up and join the 21st century." Steinbrenner said he was angry and added: "I've got my pitchers running the bases, and one of them gets hurt. He's going to be out. I don't like that, and it's about time they address it. That was a rule from the 1800s."
Hank is mad because he just lost his ace. Wang will be on crutches for AT LEAST the next six weeks. Does he have a point? In the modern era of baseball, should using a DH become the universal norm?
Personally, I see it from both sides. Teams invest a lot in their pitchers. Sometimes it hurts from a financial standpoint. Take the Braves for example. I don't know about y'all, but I'll sleep a little better next year knowing that the Bravos won't have to throw any more money down the bottomless pit known as Mike Hampton. Moreover, hopes and dreams for a successful trip to the postseason can come crumbling down when a single pitcher is lost to injury. Wang is the SIXTH highest paid Yankee pitcher, but I have a feeling that Hank and company aren't sweating the four million they are paying him. They'd rather have their ace healthy and producing.
Enough about what I think. Thoughts anyone?
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Your baby pitcher needs to grow up and learn how to do something as simple as running the bases without getting hurt. If you didn’t want him running the bases, tell him to strikeout.
by beeniez on Jun 17, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That, plus I wonder how hard he was running. I mean, we can’t know for sure without asking him. But if the dude was trucking it, he should have known better.
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by jamesrael on Jun 17, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, Bobby is always yelling “Easy!” when a pitcher is running down the line.
by beeniez on Jun 17, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They showed the play last night on Baseball Tonight. Wang was jogging home and there did not look to be a play at the plate. No reason to injure yourself unless you trip on the bat…which he didn’t.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 17, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep it
There are several arguments here, but I personally prefer the NL style of play. Natually, my favorite team is an NL team, so I am a little biased. I like the strategy involved with the NL style, and I believe it rewards deeper teams, because NL teams have to have a strong bench (especially pinch-hitters) and a deep bullpen.
I think at least part of the reason that pitchers are injured often while hitting (especially AL ones) is a simple lack of practice. A lot of these guys were excellent hitters in HS/college, but when they get to the minors, they start getting treated with kid gloves because teams want to “protect their investment”. And I don’t blame them for that – if I were investing as much money as teams are on players currently, I too would want to take every precaution to see my that money didn’t go to waste.
Also, Hank Steinbrenner needs to STFU. Injuries are part of the game. He wouldn’t be crying as much if a position player suffered the same injury, or if Wang suffered the same injury fielding his position. It does make me wonder what Hank’s reaction would be if Wang was hit with the foot injury while jogging between starts…
by VegasAces on Jun 17, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You contradict yourself between paragraphs 2 and 3. Teams treat their pitchers differently because under AL rules, they’re not going to have to hit or run the bases, so why should teams have them practice? Then you lambast Hank for saying exactly that.
by 17843 on Jun 17, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
The point I wanted to make (and I admit I wasn’t clear now that I read it again) is that I don’t disagree with what the teams do. I disagree with the DH rule to begin with, because I think if there were no DH, teams would make their pitchers work on other aspects of the game while they are in the minor leagues.
by VegasAces on Jun 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few things...
I nearly posted this myself last night, because I was curious to see what other baseball aficionados thought about the DH.
First of all, Hank Steinbrenner is a Steinbrenner and they like to run their mouth. I suppose if you are a Yankees fan, you love this family because they are willing to spend unpujolsly amount of money on their team and are quick to point out when their investments are not performing to their standards. While I don’t like the Yankees, I also really couldn’t stand George and now I already have disdain for Hank.
My thoughts are that players should play the whole game. Nobody makes it to the majors just playing RF really well. Why should anybody just be able to hit? Well, I think it has less to do about protecting the pitchers as it does with people wanting to see a 10-9 Yankees-Red Sox score. Everybody loves offense, few people love good glove work (unless its a “Web Gem”) paired with a cannon for an arm. So I saw the AL can keep the Big Papis, the Giambis, the Big Hurts while the NL plays the game as it was designed.
Message to Hank: The DH rule was not adopted until 1973. Also, there’s no crying in baseball.
Go on, ask if anything surprises me.
by jug on Jun 17, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*say not saw
my proofreader is on vacation with my maid.
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by jug on Jun 17, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
...I just read this comment over at Deadspin, so it’s funny that I come here and see someone else posted it before me. It sucks that Wang looks to be lost until September, but it’s completely his fault. If you don’t know how to run across home plate without being injured there is something wrong with you.
Hank’s an idiot and the fact that he is in charge of a team with as much tradition as the Yankees is really a slap in the face.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 17, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WAAAAHHHHH!!!
Does little Hankie need his pacifier? Just shut up and act like a grown man.
Watching the replay of Wang, he wasn’t running full steam or anything. Its a fluke injury! They happen. And not getting into the strategy of the NL’s DH-less game, but what does he want next? When Jeter has a sore hamstring, should he be allowed to put in a designated runner for him to keep him from having to run the bases and save him for defense and at bats? The DH was a stupid rule anyway, every other player is required to play defense and offense.
by lacrosse_cat on Jun 17, 2008 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But not every other player is required to pitch.
by 17843 on Jun 17, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AL Baseball Is Boring...
The DH sucks the life out of American League baseball. By the way, that article had one of the greatest quotes of all-time! Something about Mussina saying “Turning corners, you just don’t do that.”
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by ejruiz on Jun 17, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
totally hilarious thread
I dont even need to talk about anything anymore – obviously someone crying about an injury SHOULD be in the AL. At one point my friends and I were calling the AL the XL, with reference to the XFL. I mean, as Braves fans, we all got intimate knowledge, but some Yankee fans that are “die hard” dont even get what baseball is all about. Manufacturing runs, bunting, pitcher ABs….. THATS what real baseball is.
This Frenchy stuff? Swing for the fences every time? That’s lame. That’s bush league. THAT’S the XL. THAT is the result of over syndicated SC and people literally watching to see the Top Ten and the nightly HR contest
by traphicg on Jun 17, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just because someone throws a ball hard doesn't mean they shouldn't be expected to
run the bases. Chien Ming Wang is a baseball player, not only a pitcher. Baserunning is part of the game and has been forever. Everyone needs to know how to run the bases. Also its not baserunning that caused the injury, he could have done that covering first base or running to back up a throw. It wasn’t a play at the plate or a base that caused the injury, it was his lack of foot strength.
by ctrain7379 on Jun 17, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Child's Play
Every team in every league has a “kids run the bases” promo at least once a year. Maybe Wang can do a rehab assignment with them?
by skipcaray on Jun 17, 2008 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hank should be arguing rather that interleague play be abandoned, or at least that AL teams not be forced to use NL rules during interleague play. You can argue that using the DH exclusively in interleague play negatively impacts NL teams, but it’s unfair to expect AL teams to build their pitching staffs to hit and run the bases for 20 games rather than simply pitch for 140 games. That’s the biggest competitive disadvantage involved with interleague play and it really should be addressed.
And anyone saying Wang should “know how to run the bases”, why? He plays in a league where pitchers do not hit and do not run the bases, except for perhaps 3-4 games a year. Why should he focus on something he’ll be doing in 1/7th of his starts during time he could be focusing on something he’ll be doing in ALL of his starts.
by 17843 on Jun 17, 2008 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So then let's shift gears...
I personally do not really care about interleague play. I am not any more likely to watch a game versus the Angels as I am the Marlins. I understand maybe it brings more casual fans to the parks, but so do bobble-heads. Its a novelty, and I could live without it just like I could live without the free beach towel day. Having said that, I do like free stuff and it is interesting to see teams/parks you don’t normally see. But, if tomorrow Bud Selig said no more interleague, I’d be fine with it. In fact, I’d be more upset if he said no more Brian McCann bobbleheads.
I see your point 17843, that a pitcher isn’t going to work on baserunning. But I think ctrain7379 was right in saying that it could have just as easily happened as he was covering first. I watched the clip, and it really didn’t look like he did anything that fundamentally wrong (meaning he didn’t trip over the back or anything).
Go on, ask if anything surprises me.
by jug on Jun 17, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just as easily could have, and if it had, Hank wouldn’t be running his mouth off, but it did and it happened because the Yankees were forced to play under different rules then what they had set their roster up for. Anyone dismissing (or worse) Hank’s comments should do well to remember that.
by 17843 on Jun 17, 2008 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll add from the data I can find, that was the first time Wang had ever rounded third base in a major league game. Something to keep in mind.
by 17843 on Jun 17, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All true.
I don’t disagree with you, but I also don’t fully agree either. The Steinbrenners will run their mouths and expect everyone to listen. I don’t think Hank really was very justified in blaming the DH rule for his ace going down. What about Gil Meche? He scored his first run on Saturday and he managed not to hurt himself. Which brings up a good point, I wonder how many AL pitchers have hurt themselves running the bases or batting? It would be interesting to see if there is a higher rate than among NL pitchers in interleague games.
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by jug on Jun 17, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
look...
if wang is a professional athlete, he should be able to run 180 feet and not get hurt. how many other athletes like football players do you think are making fun of this? the guy can’t make it from 2nd to home without tearing up his foot? just because he is asked to hit in 1/7 of his starts as 17843 says doesn’t mean at all he shouldn’t be expected to do it. this is the major leagues, you do what is asked of you no questions asked. if he can’t do it, they’ll find someone who can.
by ctrain7379 on Jun 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my favorite baseball sayings...
“Keep those pitchers away from my athletes”...pretty sure it was Whitey Herzog…but I can’t find a link to provide you
by OntheGo on Jun 17, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it
This is just a freak injury. How many times do pitchers round third base every day in NL games, or AL pitchers in interleague games for that matter? I’m pretty confident in the fact that if didn’t happen to not only a member of the Yankees staff, but their top starter, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion because it wouldn’t have been blown up into what it has become.
by VegasAces on Jun 17, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hank needs to blame his conditioning coach, not the NL.
Look’s like Wang injured himself rounding a base, which can be done fairly easily if you underestimate the size and hardness of the base. Pitchers have 4 days off, so on just one of those days leading up to interleague play the coach should pull the pitcher aside and tell him how to round it properly and to take it easy when doing it. 15 minutes max.
by MattDiazFanClub on Jun 17, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what is with
the horn after the pitch?
oh, and why did we forget to swing starting about 2 weeks ago?
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by jug on Jun 17, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It has always saddend me...
that pitchers are treated like glass. Whatever happened to those guys who would pitch 300 plus inning in a season. Oh, the good ole days.
by Jerret Anderson on Jun 18, 2008 1:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In brief
Let the AL keep the DH, and keep the DH out of the NL.
I’d like to keep one of my chief reasons why the NL is superior to the AL.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 18, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that
and we dont have the yankees in our league, which is a good enough reason, as far as im concerned
by Swo12bv on Jun 18, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. We do have the Mets though . . . but I have to say BoSox+Yanks > Mets.
P.S.: Who really cares what Hank has to say? He’d be nowhere if he didn’t have Pops doing all the leg work.
by JDMaker1 on Jun 19, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If his name wasn’t “Steinbrenner,” he’d be as influential as you or I.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 19, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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