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Newflash: Don't Buy a Braves' Teixiera Jersey Just Yet

Young, talented and in demand, Teixeira is headed for a big payday

Ok, so that isn't really news at all. But, I found this article which is a good, depressing, read. I remember the days before the Yankees spent over $200 million on payroll, when the Braves were considered a "big market" team. When TBS showed baseball instead of Seinfeld and Tyler Perry's House of Pain. When Scott Boras didn't scare us, and we'd sign his top free agent (a fella by the name of Gregory that has a couple of Cy Young awards). But the reality of it is that we have been given 15-1 odds of re-signing Teixiera.

So, does this matter? No, I'm sure we will find a more than adequate first baseman to replace him. Hopefully someone that can hit too. And maybe it isn't a big loss. We had him to make a run last year and see what we could do with him and it didn't pan out all that great. But Tex is a great addition and seems like the kind of guy who fits in Atlanta. It just depresses me about what it says about the game and when owners are companies, and guys get paid more than an entire team.

Anyway, we'll see what happens. Read the article, even it is written by Yankee Jon Heyman. If he signs with the Mets or Yankees, I will buy and publicly burn a Teixiera shirt (can't afford a jersey) from either team. The thought sickens me.

 

 

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The idea the Orioles have a better shot at signing Tex is humorous at best, retarded at worst. Mariners is a bit of a joke as well.

It’s obvious the Yankees and Mets are the frontrunners; both have old shit playing the position now and would stand to gain at least five wins by signing him. Don’t count the Braves out if we make the playoffs and are willing to pony up the $200 million Heyman quotes as his price.

by 17843 on May 8, 2008 12:27 AM EDT   0 recs

I Pray to God...

That we don’t give him 10/$200M. I might consider 5/$100M, but that’s a tough pill to swallow for a first baseman in a line-up that can obviously still score without him. Sure, it’ll be a different story post-Chipper, but I think he has enough gas in the tank to turn the team over to the young hitting talent currently in the lower minors.

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by ejruiz on May 8, 2008 9:22 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

O's and M's

What’s so crazy about Baltimore and Seattle going after Tex this offseason? They each have a history of spending big bucks in free agaency, have some money coming off their books and could definitely use a slugging 1B in his prime. The O’s are in rebuilding mode and may still be ayear away from spending, but the M’s moved all in this offseason and they def should make that move.

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by ejruiz on May 8, 2008 9:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Don’t the Mariners still have Sexson under contract next year? And don’t they wanna move Clement to first?

by bigjoe on May 8, 2008 9:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

w/r/t Sexson/Clement

1. Sexson’s contract is up at the end of the year.
2. There are no plans to move Clement to 1B

by RainDelay on May 8, 2008 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jon Heyman is an idiot

Nobody is a more biased writer than he is. And unfortunately, he’s the daily guy, whose clearly in auto-pilot with his position, so he constantly defaults onto the easy stuff, like the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox, and hot prospect of the moment. Often, is he bashing smaller-market teams, and shows a lot of bias against the southern region in general. The only times he ever praises the Braves is usually after John Donovan or Tom Verducci gives a rub to Smoltz or Chipper.

Would I like to see Teixeira next year? Absolutely, who wouldn’t? But is he worth $200M? No. At least, not to the Braves. That’s just not the Atlanta Braves way.

With whatever money freed up from what ever free agents / ballasts / dead weight we drop over the off-season, I would rather, pull what Kansas City last off season did and buy every decent reliable bullpen arm known to man, because this decade of Braves baseball, minus the John Smoltz tenure(s) has been plagued by nothing worse than incompetent bullpens. “Rather” being italicized to emphasize that this isn’t the best way either, but I’d prefer it to spending $20M/annually on Teixiera.

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by royhobbs on May 8, 2008 9:30 AM EDT   0 recs

RIGHT NOW, is he worth 200 mill? Hell no. WILL HE BE? Perhaps. If he can give us a line of .290-35-120…I’d say yes.

by bigjoe on May 8, 2008 9:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

What do you guys think...

...about the muffled cries some people have made about moving Chipper to 1B? What kind of 3B options would there be?

by Smoltz's Beard on May 8, 2008 9:34 AM EDT   0 recs

Interesting...

I’ve heard a few rumblings about something like moving Chipper to first. I was thinking that maybe Yunel could move to third with his cannon of an arm, which would open short for Brent Lillibridge (sp?). I like the thought of getting some extra life out of Chipper, but I also think it would be sort of a slap in the face to him, and it would likely be a signal that he’s in the twilight of his career. On the other hand, we have some young talent on the left side of the infield, and it would be nice to get them into the game.

Having said all that though, my vote is to re-sign Tex! I’m getting tired of the Braves getting good talent, keeping it for a year or two, and letting it go because keeping guys like Maddux, Sheffield, Javy Lopez, Glavine, etc (other issues notwithstanding of course) is too expensive. They’d rather call up young guys or convert outfielders to second basemen. It’s as if the management isn’t real concerned with putting a winning team on the field, just a cost-effective one. As a fan, it’s hard for me to get behind a team whose ownership isn’t even trying to field a winning team.

I think if Tex is re-signed, it will be a signal to the fans that the Braves are serious about winning, that they are willing to make an investment in the team for it’s success, and that the fans will respond. I’ve seen it happen before with other teams, and I believe it can happen in Atlanta too.

by skipcaray on May 8, 2008 11:26 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bet on him staying

I wish for the life of me I could remember where I read it, but Liberty Media has every intention of putting a winner on the field and they’ll spend what it takes. I’m not saying they’ll start paying Yankees/Red Sox money, but that’s stupid anyway. I feel very confident Tex is going to stay in Atlanta.

by jgraham on May 8, 2008 11:34 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yunel...

...doesn’t put up the kind of power numbers you would want from a 3B. A ~.850 OPS from a SS is very good, while it’s not as exciting coming from the hot corner. Here’s a quick rundown of the number of players with a .850+ OPS from SS and 3B in the last couple of years:

2007 – 3 SS, 7 3B
2006 – 2 SS, 9 3B
2005 – 3 SS, 7 3B
2004 – 1 SS, 10 3B

by Smoltz's Beard on May 8, 2008 12:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Point

Can Lillibridge play third? Does he have the numbers to play there? If not, are there any prospects at 3B in the system?

by skipcaray on May 8, 2008 2:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Could be wrong...

...but I think BP projects Lillibridge to be a 20/20 guy, which is interesting considering he looked like a 12 year old when he came up to play.

I’m sure there are other people on here who know more about his minor league numbers than I do.

by Smoltz's Beard on May 8, 2008 4:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

1. Tex is going to get paid his 10/200; I just can’t see him going to losing teams with that kind of deal. His ties to Baltimore are at best as strong as his ties to Atlanta, without the fact of him already being here and being comfortable. There’s a fit in Seattle, but no indications that he’d be interested in the city/team.

2. Saying he isn’t worth 10/200 is absurd. Worth is relative; ie scarcity and a team’s other options have to come into play. Tex is the only premium first baseman on the market at the end of the season and the Braves have no in house options ready to take over for him. He’s projected to give us 6 WARP over the next few seasons; Scott Thorman and Co. might hit at replacement level. We’re not a contending team without Teixeira in the lineup the next few years, especially with Chipper’s decline, Smoltz’s decline, and Glavine’s decline.

3. There are no third base options worth pursuing. Blalock and Crede are the only guys who are even sort of starter quality, and both have injury/preformance issues.

by 17843 on May 8, 2008 1:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I’d love Blalock on our team, but you certainly are correct about his injuries. It’s a shame, cause he’s a pretty productive player.

by Smoltz's Beard on May 8, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Good points...

First of all – Liberty Media has said that they are going to do whatever they can to resign Tex. That was said at the time when Tex was supposed to be a HUGE producer. Granted, its early, he might break late, but come ON!! The Braves have consistently avoided playing that game, where they throw a ridiculous amount of money at someone. Tex would be great, but at least at this point, I would assume, it wouldnt even seem like an option – let the mets and yankees take a 200 million dollar gamble. I’m also thinking Hampton’s residue might lead to ugly tastes in the Braves higherups’ mouths, at least when it comes to mammoth contracts.

And, above all, evidenced by only about a MILLION things and especially the 4 player dump we did for Tex, our minor league system is unparalleled, seemingly never ending, and damn damn good. We can continue to dump off players left and right, and still have a solid core, provided we keep Mac, Jair, Huddy, Gonzo, Yunel, KJ, etc… our prospects are the bomb. Our trade potential is great. I just think we’ll be fine. THen again, i said that the past few years.

One scenario I can sometiems believe, if we win it all, convincingly, and both the Mets and Yanks are slated (at least on paper) to not have amazing years in 09, then POSSIBLY Tex would consider signing with us. Maybe. And possibly it would be one more make-good year. But not likely.

by traphicg on May 9, 2008 1:43 PM EDT   0 recs

The question that needs to be asked if we don’t invest in Mark T. for the next 7-8 years is who plays first base in the interim?

Our options aren’t anything that should be starting a game in the major leagues. In the organization we have Scott Thorman (who’s problems with contact are noted), Barbaro Canizares (who would be a nice platoon guy if matched with a lefty), and now Greg Norton (who is a sub at this point in his career). Further down, Heyward and Flowers are options, but you’re looking at 2011 before they’ll be starters. And Kaaihue isn’t hitting and doesn’t look like he will anytime soon.

On the free agent market you have Broussard (who was DFA’d recently), Aurilia, Wes Helms, Kevin Millar, Daryle Ward, and Nomar. There’s no starter in that group, though Wes Helms would be an answer as the right handed half of a platoon. The other guys listed as first baseman are really DHs (Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Giambi). Then there’s Richie Sexson who would take a big contract to sign and who we would essentially be gambling that at age 34 he’s not actually declining despite not posting a league average for 1B OPS since 2005.

One interesting option I’d consider would be trading for Chad Tracy from the D’Backs and installing him as the lefty part of a platoon (308/371/508 career vs RHP). He’d be a decent sub for Chipper (277/343/451 in ‘06/’07 and only 29) and he’s played quite a bit first base. Match him with a righty half of a platoon (Helms, Canizares, etc.) and they’d probably be a league average tandem for under $6 million in 2009.

Any way the Braves go however will involve shedding at least 2-3 wins next season. The Braves either need to go for broke this year (flags fly forever) or trade Tex at the deadline if they won’t be able to sign him long term. If we can turn him into a few prospects, we’ll sure be doing better than two draft picks next summer.

by 17843 on May 9, 2008 6:40 PM EDT   0 recs

The correct answer is SCOTT THORMAN.

I think I just threw up in my mouth.

by bigjoe on May 9, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Personally

I think Teixiera is a good investment. Its hard to find a better 1B, and if you did, you’d pay for it too. So, I don’t think we have anybody in the farms to fill-in. The FA market slim. Go ahead Liberty, buck-up, pay the man and build around him.

Also note that the new ownership wasn’t around when the Hampton deal was made, so maybe that won’t be an issue to them?

I don’t know, sure he’s off to a slow start, but there is no reason to think he isn’t worth a decent chunk. Of course, I would argue $20M/yr is too much to pay for anybody. But I do think $16-18M/yr is pretty reasonable for Tex.

But what do I know?

by jug on May 9, 2008 7:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i have a name for you guys that could be…interesting.

RYAN HOWARD.

discuss.

by bigjoe on May 9, 2008 7:12 PM EDT   0 recs

No.

I am not on the RH bandwagon… Don’t get me wrong, he’s got power. 58 and 47 HRs. He also strikes out more than Andruw Jones and Adam Dunn, 199 and 181. That is a killer for me. Nobody should ever strikeout 200 times. That is almost half his ABs! (529).

He also had 13 and 14 E’s the past two years. Not awful, but also not great.

So no, not my 1st choice.

by jug on May 9, 2008 11:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

He was the tenth best hitter in the league according to EQA and his Contact % and BABIP are sustainable, so why’s it a problem if he strikes out a lot?

Hanley Ramirez struck out only 95 times (in 706 PAs), but made an out in almost 64% of his PAs compared to Howard who made an out in almost 61% of his PAs.

by 17843 on May 10, 2008 12:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah…Howard can strike out as many times as he wants if he’s going to get on base at a .425 or .392 clip, not to mention his SLG % is way north of .500. It’s better than GIDP.

by Smoltz's Beard on May 10, 2008 3:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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