Rookie of the Month
by BlueVol03
on May 7, 2008 8:54 AM EDT
Go here to vote for Jair Jurrjens for Rookie of the Month.
And I still need to add a bunch of words just to make it to the minimum of 75 words. Who makes this rule anyway? Usually most FanPosts are filled with some kind of useless chatter, like this for example, just to make it to the minimum of 75 words. As of right now, this post is still too short. Now it isn't.
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I think Fukudome should not be considered for rookie of the year or month or whatever…he played nine seasons in Japan! I mean, sure, you can argue that this is his first year in the American majors, but I think its crap. Look how Chipper got jobbed out of ROY by Nomo? I just think that there should be a stipulation that you cannot have played the highest level of professional baseball before to truly be considered a rookie.
I know this may seem petty, but I think it is an injustice and will be upset to see the surgeon lose to a 9-year veteran. However, Soto will probably get ROY if he stays on pace. That guy is incredible.
by jug on May 7, 2008 11:16 AM EDT 0 recs
I’ve always had a problem with the Asian players coming over and qualifying for ROY honors. Does not make one bit of sense.
And yes, Soto is very good.
by Smoltz's Beard on
May 7, 2008 12:30 PM EDT
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do you think Ichiro should join the 3,000 in the states since he has 3,000 combined between the two leagues?
by yondaime4 on
May 9, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
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No.
Its an MLB record, not an MLB+NPB (or any other league) record. It must be accomplished within MLB to be fair.
by jug on
May 9, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
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Ichiro shouldn't have been
Considering he won both the AL ROY and MVP in the same year, they should’ve at least spared the ROY for someone else. But then again, going back to my previous comment, Ichiro winning TWO major MLB awards, let alone both the ROY and MVP was HUGE news back in Japan.
Jerseys, memorabilia, television subscriptions, magazines, website hits, viewership ratings, advertising dollars. Yeah, that huge news equaled a huge payday for the Mariners and Major League Baseball.
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by royhobbs on
May 9, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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Saw that coming...
You’re correct to point out that my stance is inconsistent. But no, import players should not be considered rookies if they played professionally some place else. I think the intent is to honor players upon breaking into the professional level, and making an impact their first year of professional experience. If the player has prior experience at a professional level, it violates the intent of the award IMO.
by jug on
May 9, 2008 1:10 PM EDT
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the professional level is technically any level of Minor League ball they play in. You are considered a Professional ball player the minute you put on Rome Braves uniform. The award is for those who break into the Majors. he MLB either has to allow their stats to count or to consider them rookies when they show up here. Seeing as allowing their stats to count would offhandedly admit that we weren’t the sole pinnacle of baseball on the planet means that have to consider them rookies.
by yondaime4 on
May 9, 2008 1:19 PM EDT
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if you listen to joe morgan, japanese baseball is just like AAA. lets just ignore the fact that in the first WBC, the asian teams whipped the shit out of everyone else.
by bigjoe on
May 9, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
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Sometimes Asian players are warranted for their success, and other times they’re not. Often, the panelists give unmentioned points for the “adaptation” to the American lifestyle-gamestyle compared to their native countries. But more often than not, I agree with those “rookies” who have a lifetime’s experience under their belt from their country’s leagues, should not be eligible for “rookie” honors of any sort.
I think an import player should at least be younger than 27 or so to be considered a “rookie,” since they are still fairly young and impressionable. Not like guys like Okajima (31), Saito (36), Matsui (29) and Fukudome (31) who have considerable experience under their belts. That being said, there is one player I saw in the WBC on the Korean squad whom I’m hoping to see in the States one day: At 25, I’d consider him “rookie-worthy.” I think he’s too good for the Korean leagues by now:
Oh, S.H., Career – 199G, 1.40ERA, 256.2 IP, 18-9 Record, 305K, and 113 Sv. He holds the Asian single-season Saves record with 47.
To Nomo’s credit, he put up with a lot of crap, and still did well. He “dishonored” his name and country, and still made a huge splash in the states. When it comes to rookie awards, pitchers and relievers are always highly considered, as opposed to the MVP race, which I find kind of contradicting; afterall, the ROY award is the equivalent to the MVP of first-year players; the way I see it, it’s the one “throw-away” award out of all the others. Nomo getting a major award is big world-wide news, and big world-wide news = attention, and attention = money. Chipper should have won it by all right, IMO, but it wouldn’t have created as much buzz.
Jurrjens would easily get my vote for ROM honors, because of his numbers, achievements, and maturity and poise. But I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Fukudome wins it for reasons irrelevant, the market he plays in, and the buzz it would generate.
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by royhobbs on May 7, 2008 1:03 PM EDT 0 recs
You are absolutely correct...
...that it could generate world-wide news/hype/attention. But would it really translate into money? And might it also alienate fans as well? I am all for anything that gets people more interested in baseball, and recruits new fans. But, why not just create a second award for best import player?
Can we get this Korean guy for our bullpen? Before Boston or New York or LA does?
by jug on
May 9, 2008 12:10 PM EDT
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Pretty sure...
...that since the Red Sox, Cubs, and Yankees all have an asian player he will go to the Mets or Angels by default.
by Smoltz's Beard on
May 9, 2008 12:23 PM EDT
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I thought...
...we were supposed to have some arrangement with an Japanese team so that we would eventually land the next Dice-K? Did I make that up or what?
by jug on
May 9, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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I did read that we had signed...
...some sort of contract with a Japanese team to become sort of our pipeline, but that was the last I heard about it.
by Smoltz's Beard on
May 9, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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Most
Asian players want to go where there are big Asian markets. Los Angeles, New York, Boston, all have big Asian influences. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Nationals made a play at Oh. The DC/NOVA area has a huge Korean market, and being as relatively obscure as I present him, he wouldn’t require a ton of money to bring him over, I theorize. That’s kind of the Nationals would see it, especially with the decline of Chad Cordero.
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by royhobbs on
May 9, 2008 1:24 PM EDT
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Oh yeah
Attention always equals money. (I work a lot of marketing.) That’s why the saying “there’s no such thing as BAD advertising,” even to like the Atlanta Falcons who had to deal with the Mike Vick situation. Someone in the organization was still getting a hard-on knowing that the name “Atlanta Falcons” was being thrown around a whole lot, because that still got their names engrained in the heads of people.
Sports are notorious for bringing over imports just for the attention it generates. The NBA is the worst – the Phoenix Suns drafted a Japanese guy, and put a huge Japanese-influence into their team’s website, and the site generated hits thrice-fold, and this guy’s jersey was the hottest selling custom jersey for the months approaching the regular season. And then surprise, surprise, the Suns cut him. You would think that such actions would alienate fans, but watch the next time a Japanese guy makes the NBA. At least with baseball, import players can be hidden away in minor league squads, where they at least have a chance to back in the majors.
As for the Korean guy, I’d love to see him make it to the States, but let’s face it – Japan is like the new Dominican Republic for MLB, and the Dominican Republic is a part of U.S. baseball. Korean players don’t get near the respect that Japanese players do; it could be argued that Korea hasn’t produced as many superstar-types, but they’re also not given as much opportunity to do so. I always felt that at their primes, Chan-Ho Park was better than Hideo Nomo and more suited for American baseball. Nomo seemed more of a submariner gimmick, where Chan Ho brought velocity and more pitching variety with him. Hee-Seop Choi kinda ruined it for Korean position players, but there was also one guy that in the WBC, Seong-Yeop Lee, who led the tournament in homers and RBI; what people don’t realize is that he is the successor to Hideki Matsui for the Yomiuri Giants, and if I am not mistaken broke the Great Sadaharu Oh’s single-season Asian homer record with 51 dingers. At 30, most think he’s too old to come to the states, and that he is too much of a free-swinger. But I wouldn’t mind seeing him get the Dice-K/Fukudome hype and require a ludicrous amount of money for people to speak with him. Supposedly, the Yankees were interested in him too, since he is a left-handed power 1B.
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by royhobbs on
May 9, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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Soto is out VORPing Jurrjens 18.1 to 13.8. Fukudome is at 8.7.
For that reason I’d vote Soto, plus the fact he’s 2nd in MLB in CS%.
by 17843 on May 8, 2008 12:23 AM EDT 0 recs
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