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Would you trade John Smoltz for Brandon Webb?

More polarizing trade propositions! And I'll stick with the Diamondbacks for this one as well. The title speaks for itself. Would you do the deal if you were the Braves GM and the deal was offered to you? I would say the only stipulation is that money isn't an issue, but since Smoltz actually makes more than Webb, it really isn't an issue.

Ok so just remember Webb has been a very good pitcher since he debuted in the league never posting and ERA above 3.59 and he is the owner of the 2006 Cy Young. Smoltz is still a very good pitcher and has only recently shown signs of slowing down. Is it possible his shoulder stiffness is a permanent ailment and he may never be able to go more than 5 or six innings again? Or will he bounce back like he did last year and throw 200+ innings again this year? Discuss and debate!

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  • Brandon Webb

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id take

webb in a heartbeat. age is the only factor in my mind. smoltz 12 years ago? i dont know. but def webb right now.

by chipper4mvp10 on Apr 21, 2008 2:15 AM EDT   0 recs

Somewhat of a big yawner...

Why would Arizona even be thinking about it?....most runs scored…least given up….to date

by OntheGo on Apr 21, 2008 2:49 AM EDT   0 recs

My bad...

the D-backs and Braves are tied for having given up the second least runs

by OntheGo on Apr 21, 2008 3:17 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

In a flash...

... Webb is only 28 years old. Smoltz is 40. On that basis alone, I make the deal.

However, I think a Smoltz-for-Webb deal is less likely to happen than a Francoeur-for-Upton deal.

-sdp-

by sdp on Apr 21, 2008 7:28 AM EDT   0 recs

Smoltz may be getting up there, but he’s still pitching better than at any point in his career, except maybe ‘96. And if weren’t for all of the blown saves in 2006, it would have been Smoltz winning the Cy Young instead of Webb.

And while Webb has the obvious upside of youth, I can’t imagine the intangible effects to the team and the fans from trading away the guy that pretty much embodies the Braves organization.

Section 435 - A Braves blog. From the upper deck at Turner Field.

by 6stringbeliever on Apr 21, 2008 8:21 AM EDT   0 recs

fun but senseless

There’s no way Arizona would trade Brandon Web for John Smoltz.

by pigdog on Apr 21, 2008 8:51 AM EDT   0 recs

Difficult decision

Webb is the future – a guy with a Cy Young, tremendous stamina, a filthy, filthy sinker, and still not even in his prime.

Smoltz is the Braves, a hero, an icon, and a pillar to the Atlanta community as well. He’s still going strong, and I firmly agree with the notion that he definitely had a second Cy Young blown for him by the 2006 bullpen. His stuff is still great, although he’s showing the natural progression of age.

From a “putting the team first” mentality, I’d take Webb in a heartbeat. But trading away John Smoltz would be a devastating blow in so many other ways. We all know how good Webb is, but wonder how he would have to feel, to have the responsibility of Smoltz’s departure on his shoulders, as well as his shadow to play under?

one more time ... for sting!! a sports blog written by two opinionated males

by royhobbs on Apr 21, 2008 9:25 AM EDT   0 recs

I know it's horrible thinking...

I would keep Smoltz. Smoltz should and will retire as a lifelong Brave. I have to think really hard to remember a day when he wasn’t a Brave, I was six in 1987! He’s a part of this team for as long as he wants to be in my book. For all the selfish reasons I’d stick with him.

The idea of trading Smoltz is blasphemy!!!

-- Kyle
The Tomahawk

by jameskm03 on Apr 21, 2008 9:41 AM EDT   0 recs

I agree, but...

This is tough. On the one had you are right, Smoltz = Braves. But on the other, B. Webb could have 3 more Cy Young’s in him, whereas Smoltz may not even have 3 more seasons. If this trade were any other pitcher, Hudson included, I would take it. But Smoltz tugs at the heartstrings a little bit, making it hard.

I don’t know , I’d probably do it. Smoltz would still go in the HOF with a Braves cap, and we’d miss him, but our rotation would be improved for a few years. Unless, of course, Webb had the same fate as Mike Hampton. Then where would we be…

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Missing the point

Too many people miss the point of these.

It is sort of like the “if you had a million dollars, and didn’t have to work, what would you do,” question and the responding with “I would invest half of it in low risk mutual funds and then take the other half over to my friend Asadulah who works in securities…”

The point is to compare the players, the contracts, their contributions to the team, stats, etc. The easiest way to think about it is a one-to-one trade. It doesn’t matter how unlikely, or improbable, the trade is, you just pretend it is on the table.

Anyway, sorry for the rant.

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 11:03 AM EDT   0 recs

BTW

If I had a million dollars, I would do two chicks at once.

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 11:03 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

you wouldn’t need a million dollars to do two chicks at once.

by yondaime4 on Apr 21, 2008 12:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s about what it would take to get two chicks to double up on a guy like me.

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 2:54 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

for any and all Office Space references

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 21, 2008 1:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life…

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 21, 2008 4:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

actually

thanx cause I was going to write this.

by yondaime4 on Apr 21, 2008 4:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Webby to ATLANTA!

Hey gang, glad to be involved! I am Brandon’s agent, Jonathan Maurer, msmsports.net and while I think John Smoltz is a LEGEND in Atlanta and will always be one of the best, Webby LOVES to pitch in Atlanta! Brandon has “three years left w/ AZ” (‘08, ‘09, option in 2010). While Brandon LOVES AZ and hopes to bring the World Series back to the Valley, the D-backs brass and Brandon will have to agree on “fair value” in the next 12 months. If we don’t come to an “agreement,” Webb COULD be on the block after this season. Orlando Hudson is a premier 2B, but he turned down a contract extension and now almost assuredly will be gone from AZ after 2008. Brandon would command, in many opinions, the highest free agent contract ever given to a pitcher if he becomes a free agent after 2010. THAT IS NOT WHAT MOTIVATES BRANDON, but getting a “fair” deal IS important! He still calls Eastern KY his home and if you were to meet him out at the local tavern, he would hang out, buy you a beer and talk baseball all night. He is an “everyday guy” who happens to throw the heck out of a baseball. He WOULD fit with the Atlanta clubhouse, handsdown! Just one stat to throw at everyone…. Since the beginning of the 2006 seasons, Webb is 38-18 with a 2.34 ERA and a major league-high 500 1/3 innings.

by agentmon on Apr 21, 2008 11:38 AM EDT   0 recs

:-o

-sdp-

by sdp on Apr 21, 2008 12:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah.

He posts at the ‘Pit from time to time.

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 21, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

From a DBacks perspective

B-Dub is THE face of the franchise to the fans who know the team. I think everyone would be upset to see Brandon go anywhere but here. If he gets to free agency and commands a large contract then pay the man. He’s slowly becoming the most dominant pitcher in baseball. I would be upset to see Brandon in any other jersey but a Diamondbacks one at any point in the rest of his career. He is the leader of this team and the personality and humbleness that one could only hope for in a superstar. I would venture to say that Webb would lose the respect that he commands if he were to turn his back on the team that made him the man he is today and vise versa. You’ve got to remember he was nearly out of baseball and the organization kept with him. He owes us as much as we owe him.

So in summation, NO! Webb is the man and he’s our man.

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 21, 2008 1:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Hello, friendly Braves fans;

I know this question is directed at Braves fans, but as an Arizona fan, I just have to say—not on your life. There is NO WAY we’d make that trade. Smoltz is a good pitcher, but Webby is something else…

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 21, 2008 1:39 PM EDT   0 recs

As you see...

...most of us seem to agree.

But, I think the question takes on a different perspective if you are a D-backs fan. Braves fans have to consider Smoltz as a legend, while you guys would just think of him as an old guy with a Cy Young award, 200+ wins, and 150+ SVs. So, I would venture to guess not one D-back fan would want this trade, just guessing.

As I said, we have to consider trading a guy who embodies Braves baseball, a legend, an ace who time has started catching up with and is now in the golden years of his career. Much tougher decision for us.

Thanks for you input though.

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know

I know the question was intended at Braves fans specifically for that reason, because it’s MORE than just about the numbers for you folks….

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 21, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you serious?

Smoltz is a “good pitcher”? Are you sure you’re not a Mets fan?

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 21, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Amazing pitcher years ago

good now. I hate saying that but he’s a Randy Johnson type now. The best when he’s on, but not a guarantee every start like B-Dub is now.

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 21, 2008 4:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you do...

...even a minute’s worth of research before you made that statement? I’m guessing no. I’ll go ahead and compare the last 3 years of the two starters based on the only things a pitcher can really can control: K, BB, HR.

Smoltz: 7.78 K/9, 2.09 BB/9, .80 HR/9
Webb: 6.99 K/9, 2.33 BB/9, .62 HR/9

Smoltz bested Webb in two of the categories, while averaging 222 IP each year. That’s fantastic considering Webb averaged only 11 extra innings each year being…what…12 years younger than Smoltz?

Don’t get me wrong…Webb is the definition of an ace. But when people throw around the term “good pitcher” and “John Smoltz” in the same sentence without bothering to do any research…it really boils my blood. In other news…you’re completely wrong.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 21, 2008 4:41 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa whoa whoa

put down your tomahawk, Beard. I’ve never heard of anyone flipping out because someone described one of their team’s players as “a good pitcher”.

Comparing FIP between Webby and Smoltz is somewhat meaningless. Webby is a sinkerball pitcher, so BY DEFINITION, his FIP numbers are going to look worse, while Smoltz is much more of a strikeout artist. Webb’s bread and butter is the groundball out. Remember, also, that Chase is a MUCH easier park to hit HRs in than Turner, making Webb’s edge in HR/9 even more impressive.

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 21, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, there’s a difference between saying someone is “good” and saying they are “something else…” and a “guarantee every start”.

And you know what is really meaningless? Bringing up a groundball out, when once the pitch leaves the pitcher’s hand he is no longer in control of the outcome. There’s 8 other people on the field who can affect it good or bad, unlike a strikeout.

I’m not here to take Webb down a peg. He’s great…I’m still kicking myself for not picking him in my big money fantasy baseball league in the 5th round. But you guys are talking like he’s on an entire other tier, when in reality they’re not. Even today.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 21, 2008 7:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hold up

that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m just getting at that Smoltz occasionally will implode. Once or twice a year. I can’t remember the last time Webb did such. I wasn’t in any way taking a shot at Smoltz or saying he’s worse in any way, just that Webb’s consistency has priority in MY mind. Smoltz at age what 40?, is still a top ten pitcher when he’s on (so is Randy Johnson). Webb is a top 5 pitcher every day he marches out to the mound.

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 9:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ugh...

...I don’t know why I have to do this again. Your mind is obviously heavily jaded in order for you to say anything like that.

Smoltz was tied for 3rd last season with Penny and Carmona, behind only Peavy and Haren, with 28 quality starts last year. Webb was tied for 11th, along with Cain, Arroyo, Pettite, and Snell, with 22 quality starts last year.

Don’t like that? Smoltz was tied for 3rd, with Santana, with 24 QS in 2006…behind only Oswalt and Capuano (he certainly fell off). Webb was tied for 5th, along with 3 other guys, with 23.

You have to go back to 2005…where Webb posted 22 QS which tied him with 8 other people for 14th in the league. Smoltz was tied with 6 other people for 23rd in the league with 21 QS.

This season Webb has 4 QS already…which is tied for tops in the league with 7 other people. Smoltz only has 1 since he’s gone just 5 innings twice. But he’s only surrendered 1 ER in 16 IP this whole season. Which is legit.

So…I’d really appreciate it if you could show me some proof to back up your statement that Webb is so much more consistent.

(Took me less than 3 minutes to do this research)

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 10:14 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Small question

I’ll agree with you that Smoltz is more liable to implode nowadays than he used to be; afterall, he so called imploded against Philadelphia when we needed a win like no other to stay in the playoff hunt in September; and this is John Smoltz, one of the best at “must win” games.

But when it comes to receiving a losing decision, what’s the difference between imploding and giving up the go-ahead run? John Smoltz could give up 6 ER in 2/3 inning, receive the loss, or Brandon Webb gets outdueled by Jeff Francis and gives up 1 ER to fall behind, and receive the loss.

Yeah, I know that imploding taxes the bullpen should the starter be yanked, but when the day is over, both pitchers are still losers.

2005-2007 W-L
Smoltz – 44-24
Webb – 48-30

It’s a close comparison, but even with Smoltz’s occasional implosion, he’s still on a similar plateau with Webb. Smoltz’s fewer losses kinda cancels out Webb’s increase in wins, perhaps?

one more time ... for sting!! a sports blog written by two opinionated males

by royhobbs on Apr 22, 2008 10:16 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No offense Roy...

...but W’s and L’s are just about the worst way to measure a pitcher. That’s why I brought up their respective K/9, BB/9, and HR/9 originally…because those are really the only thing a pitcher controls all by himself. But apparently it wasn’t good enough.

With W’s and L’s the pitcher has to count on his 8 fielders, not to mention whatever combination of relivers are marched out of the bullpen. You wouldn’t say Matt Cain was an awful pitcher last year because he was 7-16, b/c his peripheral stats were all much better indicators of his true talent (he looks like shit so far this year, however).

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 10:50 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm aware

Of the criticism of bringing up simply the W-L record, but let’s face it – it’s not a bad indicator of what all that really matters at the end of each day – winning baseball games.

one more time ... for sting!! a sports blog written by two opinionated males

by royhobbs on Apr 22, 2008 11:04 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Very true...

...but in a discussion based in a strictly pitcher vs. pitcher sense, they don’t hold much water.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 11:15 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Wins and losses

aren’t a bad indicator. It is true that it shows little but it also shows the things that matter at the end of the day. I’m not checking any background on this stuff. I’m just going on what I see. I watch more Braves baseball (thanks to TBS rolls eyes) that I get to watch my DBacks. Maybe I’ve just tuned into the games where Smoltz just happens to struggle. I’m just going on my personal experiences, he struggles more than B-Dub in recent viewings.

I’m not shooting down Smoltz he’s still really good, I’m just stating Smoltz’s time is fading and Webb is just coming into his own. I don’t mean to offend anyone, please don’t take it that way.

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:12 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

PS

I haven’t seen him throw this year

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:18 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If you want to...

...go by what you perceive, than that is your prerogative. But you can’t expect to go on a public blog and state your case and not get a response, when the numbers cleary do not support your arguement.

I enjoy watching the game just as much as I enjoy understanding the game through the study of its statistics. And I’ll call bullshit when I feel like it is necessary.

No hard feelings of course.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 11:23 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

that's why I'm here

I love response. :-)

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I love lamp

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You’re so wise. You’re like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 1:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I ate your chocolate squirrel

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 1:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

You're missing out

Smoltz has been nothing short of dominant this year thus far.

I can’t speak for everyone else, but I don’t think you’re offending anyone, but you are on someone else’s turf – so be prepared for passionate fans defending their favorite players. And arguments here tend to turn into what feels like school courses; where if you can’t show your work, then it’s worth zero credit. It’s baseball managers – old and new school; some are statistical, some are emotional, and trying to find that fine line that makes the best mix.

Perception isn’t a horrific way to observe the game, and it’s how I often make my own statements. Often, I’m called out for BS, but I’ll defer, since I don’t wish to get into certain arguments, and/or spend a little time to defend. Stats just aren’t necessarily my thing.

SB, if I’m offending you, we’ll meet up the next time I’m up in DC for a Braves game, and I’ll buy you some Ben’s chili bowl or a beer or something.

one more time ... for sting!! a sports blog written by two opinionated males

by royhobbs on Apr 22, 2008 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

for being 19

I’m a bit more old school in my player and team evaluation. numbers are nice, but they don’t say everything

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And I feel like purely visual evidence cannot tell the entire story either.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

also true

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha...

...of course you’re not offending me. We on the same page, we just produce our arguements in different ways. The ends justify the means, or some crap like that

But I will take you up on the offer!

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 11:41 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Another thing...

If Smoltz’s shoulder continues to limit him to 5 innings/game, does he go back to the pen? We could use him as a closer, although I realize it doesn’t help to have a closer if you’re down 18-1 in the 9th inning. I don’t know though, that could be worse on his arm, not having as much time to rest. He could be the first 200 W-200 SV guy?

Any thoughts? Just throwing this out here, might be stupid.

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 3:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Well...

...certain circles in baseball still believe that the notion of the “closer” only being used in the 9th inning is laughable. If you want a good read on that subject and countless others you need look no further than BP.

Sorry, don’t really have anything to add…just trying to plug a book that changed the way I think about the game.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 21, 2008 4:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 21, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jug makes another good point

to the D-Backs fan. These “Would you trade” posts are for the Braves fans in us. From a logical stand point most people probably would trade a 29 year old cy young pitcher for a 40 year old guy with a bigger contract. But a lot of teams (arizona fans especially) probably can’t understand what it means to have a guy on your team who is the heart and soul of the team and has been for nearly 20 years.

Kind of like would you trade Dale Murphy for Jeff Parrett?

by yondaime4 on Apr 21, 2008 4:53 PM EDT   0 recs

Just because

we’re a young franchise doesn’t mean we don’t understand things like that. The equivalent question would be to ask Dbacks fans, before last season, would we accept…. say, Alfonso Soriano straight up for Luis Gonzalez?

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 21, 2008 5:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

probably wouldn't have

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 9:36 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

for the love of christ

I love John Smoltz. I really do. But he’ll have another 2 years, TOPS. Brandon Webb’s got at least 10. That about sums it up pretty well for me.

by bigjoe on Apr 21, 2008 6:35 PM EDT   0 recs

D-backs fans

Again, I think it is interesting to have D-backs fans commenting on this! And I appreciate their respectfulness and class in their posts.

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 6:45 PM EDT   0 recs

This Just IN...

ESPN just found John Smoltz’s authentic birth certificate from the hall of records in Detroit and found John has been lying about his age since signing his first contract in 1985. He was actually born in 1969, not 1967, making him 38.

This changes everything for me. I say we keep Smoltz.

by jug on Apr 21, 2008 10:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Is it true

that ESPN was going to ambush him with it until they discovered that he’s actually younger than previously thought? :-P

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2008 5:08 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I would encourage everyone involved in this discussion

to watch the box score tomorrow (or the game, if you have MLB.TV or EI.) when Webb faces off against Zito. This guy is truly one of the top 3 or 5 pitchers in the game right now.

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2008 5:06 AM EDT   0 recs

Guy...

...we all know that Webb is good. No one is saying he is not. But you’re pumping him up like some baseball god, and saying Smoltz isn’t on his level…which is just childish and untrue.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 8:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you implying...

...that Brandon Webb is NOT a baseball god???

In all honesty, if we’re talking Smoltz in his prime, (not that he’s not a great pitcher now, but he’s only got a few years left, if that) I don’t know that I could choose between either of them. My point is that, given the choice, beyond the emotional aspect of Smoltz being a lifelong Brave and a real team player, based solely on the numbers, you’d have to be joking to take Smoltz over a 28 year old Brandon Webb— especially as his ERA is only going to improve by going to Turner.

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2008 11:07 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's fine...

...I voted for Webb is the poll thing on Sunday before I started arguing with any of you guys. I know that Webb is a great pitcher. And I know that he has more innings left in his arm than Smoltz does.

But you guys all casually imply that Smoltz is going into a downward trend, which is not true at all. He’s pitching as well today as he was during his “prime”. It’s not like he’s f-ing Mussina.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 22, 2008 11:20 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll agree he's not Mike Mussina

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:32 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Away Fans

Whenever things like this arise, I always cringe at the thought of internet flaming, especially between sports fans. It’s bad enough we have Braves fans arguing with other Braves fans, but throw in fans of other teams, and things tend to get ugly. That being said, I must commend the Arizona fans who came, voiced their opinions, and participated in discussion without being jerks about it.

The argument can go any way – Smoltz is not at Webb’s current level, Webb will never accomplish everything Smoltz has, etc, etc, and it’s safe to say that the majority would be happiest if this fantasy trade never happened, but for the sake of discussion, it’s admirable that we defend our team’s players so adamantly, but I personally try to stay off the road to hostility.

But it’s not like we’re talking about trading the farm for like, say, Kevin Millar. Oh, i kid.

Anyway- DbacksSkins – how’s that work out? Arizona and the Redskins? I’m a ‘Skins fan as well, and my reasoning is that the Nationals didn’t exist when I left DC; so I stand here a Braves fan. What’s your story?

one more time ... for sting!! a sports blog written by two opinionated males

by royhobbs on Apr 22, 2008 9:29 AM EDT   0 recs

he grew up in DC

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:33 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks AJ

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 22, 2008 12:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I do what I can

:-D

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 12:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed

nice post.

Also, I think this type of discussion is what yondaime4 wanted by posted the question and poll. In the end it is pointless, but it is fun to deb

by jug on Apr 22, 2008 11:35 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

gives us something to do

Baseball season, when everything becomes right in the world.

by seton hall snake pit on Apr 22, 2008 11:37 AM EDT