Bench
This is one area I would have loved to see the Braves expand on. If just a little. Looking at the bench right now I just don't see that go to pinch hitter like a Dwight Smith, or a Franco of years past. Diaz had been that guy the last couple of years but with him in a quasi regular role I don't think they have that person.
I think we all saw last year the horror of watching Woodard, Thorman and Orr come up and swing...and swing with absolute futility as pinch hitters. Harris was hot for a little while and when Diaz wasn't starting he was a PH extraordinaire. However, who is that person going to be this year?
Infante? Infante may be a hell of a glove guy and can play everything but closer but he is not a "professional bat off the bench." His career OBP is .298. He is still young and could get better but my hunch is that he will hit ..well...not so good.
Lopez could actually be the solution as the primary bat off the bench, but is Bobby going to let his back up catcher take a crack in the game early? If that is the case does that mean that Sammons catches on as the #3 catcher and eat up that roster spot?
Ideally this is where I would like to have seen one more signing...one more trade.
I just saw that Cintron got signed by the Cubs. Funny how that works. We trade to get Infante and they take our prospect and sign Cintron for little or nothing? I realize that Infante is far better with the glove. However, Cintron to me could be a serviceable PH/Bench player. He is a switch hitter. He can play multiple positions. He has a little pop and he makes contact. I realize that his OBP is also poor at .313 but he doesn't strike out. I tend to believe that this has value for a pinch hitter. He could also have been someone who could have filled in at 3B if Chipper went down and not have destroyed the line up.
However, now that Cintron is gone who would I like to see for the Braves bench:
- Jeff Kippinger: The guy does nothing but HIT. He can play multiple positions and hold his own. He doesn't strike out has a little pop...and did I mention that the man can hit? He could also be a platoon option for KJ at 2B when the urge to platoon strikes Bobby( That is a joke. Please don't platoon KJ again this year!). He is also a nice insurance policy if Chipper goes down. I don't want to imagine Chipper being out for 2 weeks and Inante getting 40 ABs. I doubt that he would be available from the Reds right now given that the Reds see themselves as potential contenders, but he would have been nice.
- Robert Fick/Vinnie Rottino/Javier Valentin/Eric Munson/Matt LeCroy All of these guys are kind of the same guy: Not really good catchers but perhaps enough of a bat to help out and be a possible pinch hit option. Even better is that most of these guys were so bad as catchers that they also learned other positions. This would be valuable for depth of bench. It would also allow Bobby to use Javy Lopez early as a PH because he would have someone (besides Matt Diaz) that could catch if needed.
- Mike Sweeney: I think Mike wants more of a fulltime job but if he would take a role as the Braves primary PH bat and occasional AL DH he would be great. He has said he would be willing to put on the tools of ignorance every once in a while if needed; again a way to have a 3rd catcher on the team without having to waste a roster spot.
- Shannon Stewart: He can still hit and run a little. He is just not a good OFer anymore. If we have a bench with Brandon Jones and Omar Inante then you could get away with sending Josh Anderson and Greg Blanco to AAA for more work. If Kotsay got banged up either Infante or Brandon Jones would be able to get you by for a couple of innings..maybe even a game in CF. Why not put a valuable bat in that roster seat and give Josh Anderson or Blanco an opportunity to get ABs not sit on the bench and only get 85 ABs for the year. The only way either would get significant time would be if Kotsay got hurt. In that case they can take the Richmond shuttle in and be there in a day. Not a big deal.
- Mark Lorretta: I think the Astros had to go to Arbitration with him and it probably ended up costing them some money. They are not going to contend this year. If they would be willing to trade him for a bag of balls and the braves pay his salary. I would take it. He can play the infield and is a good hitter. Again could be a gapstop at 3B if Chipper gets hurt.
- Greg Norton: He is one of these guys that comes along and produces every couple of years. He has put together a couple good years for Tampa Bay coming off their bench. He is a switch hitter and could not kill himself playing 3B/1B/RF/LF.
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With your reasoning we already have it.
With all this being said. I don't think we really need another bat as you suggest. We will have Diaz or Brandon Jones off the bench everyday, both solid hitters. Also, Javy will be there and like you said Infante is young and will get better. Basically if Thorman can just make some contact this year, I think we have a pretty strong bench. But, if Thorman doesn't hit, I say bring up Pena and you will have that versatile player that can play Thorman's back up role as well as Javy and a few others back ups.
Hmm..
Those are two that I know of right off the top of my head.
Thorman
As for Brandon Jones; I think he will be productive but I dont' think it is fair to ask a him to be a big time contributor off the bench. I think PH is totally different and there are some guys who are great PH that are not good fulltime players and there are good fulltime players who don't PH well.
B. Pena: If he can hit reasonably well I think he does fit the mold of the player I was talkign about. I am just not sold on the fact that he can hit.
As for the money; many of the people we are talking about are role players. They would not cost the Braves much in the way of payroll. By dropping 500k or even 1 million on a role player you free up a developing player to focus on what he needs to do long term. Not just worry about isolated ABs. You can really get a young player into bad habits and kill his confidence with too much PH duties early in his career.
BJones
one thing about this bench is that there is only one seasoned veteran. the bench is a good place for a winding down veteran coaching prospect who has presence on the team. Javy brings some of that because he is a former brave but I dont see him making too huge of an impact on anyone but McCann. I think you make a good point that they are going to pull off a "tony pena" type trade to pick up another bench player that can bring more to this team than a dependable bat.
by MIZIKE74 on Feb 19, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
The only way..
Having him on the roster and rotting on the bench isn't helping him or the Braves.
Prospects
Infante
oh dear god
Javy
- Javy is washed up.
- Behind McCann (in my opinion) needs to be a defensive minded catcher. Javy never has been in that role.
- He is used to being a main part of the puzzle while in Atlanta and I sense a bad attitude coming from Javy. When he was with Boston I swear he focused on how his uniform looked instead of the important stuff like hitting and catching.
- He would cost to much for what we are getting. Why not give Clint a shot and see what he can make of himself?
by Chester Highwater on Feb 20, 2008 12:26 PM EST reply actions
Javy
Corky and Clint...
And I'll bet dollars to dough nuts right now, Javy makes the team. Bobby loves his vets, look at how many times the team carried Brian Jordan, even after it was evident he couldn't hit or run anymore.
As far as corky goes...
Pena
Lets face it...McCann is going to play 85%+ of the games if he is heathly. We just need a guy who can come in and do a decent job as the back up. Javy isn't the answer.
by Chester Highwater on Feb 20, 2008 3:15 PM EST reply actions
Pena is not really a catching option...
pena
as for lilli and jones on the bench, its not as harmful as you might think for a rooke to come of the bench his very first season. its a good way to get acclimated to life at the grand stage. specifically for players who are ready to make the jump from AAA to the majors. life is much different at the majors than AAA and for a player who isnt going to be handed a starting spot coming off the bench is the best way to prove you belong. ya feel me...
by MIZIKE74 on Feb 20, 2008 4:23 PM EST reply actions
Pena
As for PH/Bench work. I understand what you are saying about getting exposure to the Majors but I think the Braves generally do a good job of doing that during DL call ups and spring training. Plus with so many young guys on the roster right now these guys should know a lot of the players already in Atlanta.
you might be right
and you might be right about the Braves DL call ups, but getting exposure to the majors is far more than just being friendly with the guys around you.
by MIZIKE74 on Feb 20, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm not mistaken...
by rom121 on Feb 20, 2008 11:16 PM EST reply actions
Bonds
by Chester Highwater on Feb 21, 2008 9:35 AM EST reply actions
What about Thor
After all that bitching I don't have a better solution. I guess he makes the squad.
by Chester Highwater on Feb 21, 2008 12:29 PM EST reply actions
I agree...
Not to mention he's a switch hitter as well. But I'm not so confident about his bat.
Back up at 1B
However, I don't know who that would leave as the back up to 1B. I suppose you could bring Lillibridge up and let him play SS and move Escobar to 3B and move Chipper to 1B if it was going to be a long stretch that Tex was out.
You could let Diaz have a shot there and give JOnes more time in LF.
Javy's experiment at 1B was a disaster. So that won't work.
Kotsay played SOME 1B in his career and I think played it in College. He could be a short term solution if Blanco, ANderson, or Schafer was hot.
However, this goes back to my original point that we need a quality bat off the bench. Ideally a utility guy would could play 1B.
Frank Wren
*Chipper @ 1B. I don't think Larry is likely to make a position change for the rest of his career. Personally I believe when he moved to LF he lost 2 - 3 years on his career. Keep Larry at 3B and in the 3 spot.
by Chester Highwater on Feb 22, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions

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