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Community Projection: Mark Kotsay

Here, finally, is a projection that I will likely not be too optimistic about. I'd love to say that Kotsay will come to Atlanta and pull a J.D. Drew for a year - no injuries and above average production across the board - but the trends just aren't there. Kotsay was rolling backwards before he got injured.

There are some who say that he is more of a National League style player and that he will react positively to the move back to the NL. I disagree and think that his best years were in 2004 and 2005 in Oakland. But even then he had started to decline.

I've already detailed what I think is the biggest warning sign about Mark Kotsay in this article, so I won't rehash the unpleasantness here. To the point, this is what I think Kotsay will do in 2008:

.268/.335/.395 with 9 HR, 58 RBI, 48 BB, and 65 SO in 139 games, giving way to some guy named Schafer in mid-August

I think we'll appreciate his hustle in center, but we will still miss the smooth glide to the ball of Andruw Jones. Schafer just needs some time at double-A and he'll be ready if needed.

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Ill bet your blog that Kotsay has a 280 avg, 10+ Hrs, and a 320 + OBP! It's actually ridiculous that you have been constantly tearing this trade to shreads! What has Joey Devine ever done in the majors to make this deal not worth doing? Sure he has potential, but only b/c where he was selected in the draft (OVERRATED). Additionally, your comment regarding how the Braves trade away their first round draft picks for the likes of Tex, Huddy, and now Kotsay is another ridiculous statement. Do your homework b/c last time I checked Tex, and Kotsay were both drafted not only in the first round, but were selected in the top ten! C'mon man. Cut the Braves a little slack here. They traded a ton of prospects, and in return got quality players. I'll take quality for quantity everyday!

For a side note. I agree with a lot of your comments; however, shut up about Kotsay already!

by Pirates07 on Feb 11, 2008 1:22 PM EST   0 recs

No, You Shut Up.
"[Joey Devine] has potential, but only b/c where he was selected in the draft (OVERRATED)".  We've been over this ad naseum here, but I'll go ahead and point this out again; through 112.1 IP in the minors, the kid has posted a 2.73 ERA, 1.16 WHIP and 13.01 K/9.  Point to his under 20 IP for Atlanta all you want, but I'll remind you that his stints there were tainted because he was rushed in 2005, hurt in 2006 and bounced back-and-forth nearly randomly in 2007.  Say what you want about Joey Devine, but to doubt his potential is absurd; t has nothing to do with where he was drafted.  I, for one, am still confident he will be a reliable major league reliever and could well be a closer in the near future.  Even if he's just an average performer in the majors, Kotsay's value could not realistically outweigh his over the life of his team's control.  

By the way, I don't think that Kotsay will be any good.  If he is, all the better, but I don't buy into it.  Like I've said before, he will have to play a critical role in our winning a championship in 2008 for me to consider this trade anything more than a stupid gamble.  Gregor Blanco is a better option in CF.  Kotsay reeks of Craig Wilson: a once-solid vet with a plus personality/ethic that is well past his prime.

And one more thing: Wren's good trades this offseason were when he traded quality (Rents and Ascanio) for BOTH quality and quantity (Jurrjens, Gorkys, Ohman and Infante).  He's seemingly sputtered when he did the opposite, trading quality and quantity (Devine, Richmond, Aybar and Fontaine) for neither (Kotsay and Ridgway).

In conclussion: you couldn't be more wrong.  No one here appreciates your tone.  Ignorance and even stupidity is easily forgivable, but when it's wrapped in a foolish arrogance... just shut up, please.  Thank you.

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by ejruiz on Feb 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Ouch
If I were in Vegas, I'd put the over/under on Kotsay's games played at 80. I'd be very surprised if he surpasses .260/.300/.350 next season, which will Andruw's last season look like an all-star preformance. Hopefully he'll be injured early and Blanco can be inserted.

by 17843 on Feb 11, 2008 2:50 PM EST   0 recs

I have no clue...
Kotsay could end up being Wren's 1st big move or his 1st big bust.  I honestly didn't even know who he was when the bravos pulled the trigger.  I've done a little research on him and the only thing I can say for certain is that he has a super HOTTIE for a wife.  The camera man will be sure to pan across that little hottie a few times/game.  

If I have to guess his numbers...

Batting 8th in the lineup will put him in a position to move the runner over but he will have to swing away with the pitcher coming up after him.  
.265
70 RBI's - a lot of folks should be on base.
even 100 games played.  I see some rotation of the OF.  Between the young guns Diaz, and Kotsay.

by Chester Highwater on Feb 11, 2008 3:18 PM EST   0 recs

Mark My Words.
Expect Kotsay to inexplicably bat near or at the top of the order early on.
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by ejruiz on Feb 11, 2008 3:40 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

actually, getting kotsay was awesome.
MRS. kotsay, that is.

only thing I can say for certain is that he has a super HOTTIE for a wife.

truer words have never been said.  viewers at home, whom haven't seen her before, will certainly be happy when they do, and if there's one thing turner field cameramen love to do, is check out women on camera.  i sat in sec. 401 row 1-4 several times last season and caught the boys redhanded quite a few times.

by royhobbs on Feb 11, 2008 8:18 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

No Chance!
Under 80 games? This move is not going to be another coming of a Mike Gonzales deal. Kotsay is ready to rock, and he is back to perform in the NL. Watch out! Ill take that bet of 80 games or more.

Additionally, Andruw needed a change of venue to bolster his career. He will never reach his maximum potential in Atlanta. Kotsay will be a great fill-in and then we have prospects we can always trade for a superstar out there.... Or we can sign Griffey!

by Pirates07 on Feb 11, 2008 3:43 PM EST   0 recs

Uh
I don't think you really understand how debilitating a back injury is for a baseball player. Look at how McPherson's career has been wrecked because of back problems, now factor in that Kotsay's 32 years old. No one gets healthier as they advance in age; to expect him too is ridiculous. He hurt himself before the season, missed 52 games, played in 56 of 68 games, and then reinjured himself and missed the remaining 42 games. His stats also declined as the season wore on; ie, the injury obviously didn't heal and affected his preformance. Now, maybe the 6 months of rest before spring training will help him heal, but with his injury, his lack of healing results last season, and his age, 80 games is about all we can hope for.

BTW, which sources are saying Kotsay is "ready to rock"? Or is that fanciful bullshit you've made up?

by 17843 on Feb 11, 2008 6:35 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Insane.
Seriously 17843, I think this guy might be certifiable.  I know there aren't alot of people here that agree with you, but I find your perspective to be level-headed and refreshingly unique.  People can wish for Kotsay to be great in Atlanta, but it's silly to believe so right now.  I too think he'll give way to Gregor Blanco and eventually play/hurt himself off the roster entirely.  Again, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt.  
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by ejruiz on Feb 11, 2008 7:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Even taking his offseason rest as propitious
And predicting his 2008 plate-appearance total somewhat optimistically - say, ~100 G and ~420 PA - I think our expectations for Mark Kotsay's offensive production should be highly tempered.  During his three-year peak, from ages 24-26 in Florida and San Diego, Kotsay posted a 114 OPS+ (.357 OBP/.446 SLG) in 1684 PA; he walked in 8.85% of his PA (149 BB), struck-out in 11.46% of his PA (193 K), created .400 bases-per-PA (675 TB), and produced a .063 isoOBP, a .152 isoSLG, and a .314 BAbip.  During this period, he was an above-average center-fielder.

However, in 2008 Kotsay is entering his age-32 season; moreover, his recent struggles have not been confined to staying on the field.  I'll even absolve Kotsay of his injury-abbreviated 2007 season, and compare the three seasons prior (ages 29-31) to his three year peak:

1860 PA
101 OPS+ / .343 OBP / .424 SLG

139 BB / 176 K / 7.47 BB% / 9.46 K%

.053 isoOBP / .134 isoSLG / .305 BAbip
717 TB / .386 bases-per-PA

As we can see, Kotsay saw his 2004-2006 production in an A's uniform depreciate: by .014 in terms of OBP, .022 in terms of SLG, by 13 points of OPS+; likewise, he walked 1.38% fewer times, and produced .014 fewer bases-per-PA (-.010 isoOBP, -.018 isoSLG, -.009 BAbip). As he's aged and declined, Kotsay has transitioned from an above-average offensive CF (~.800 OPS), complimented by plus-defense, to an offensively-average CF (~.750 OPS) whose defensive faculties are now ambiguous pending the results of his physical recovery.

Hence, at best, I see Kotsay as a .330/.420 player in 2008 - or, slightly below average without considering defensive position (<100 OPS+).  However, that is merely his ceiling: for instance, in 2006, Kotsay produced at a .718 OPS level (88 OPS+) through 558 PA, and 2007's numbers worsened to a .575 OPS (57 OPS+) through 226 PA.  

These are not unreasonable scenarios with respect to 2008 - in the disrepair of 2007, while Kotsay managed a decent 8.41 BB% (.065 isoOBP) and continued his recent trend of mitigating his strike-outs (11.49% 2000-2002, 9.46% 2004-2006, 8.85% 2007), he managed a meager .231 BAbip, a feeble .082 isoSLG, and a pitiful .270 bases-per-PA (for comparison, punchless-judy Juan Pierre only posted a .060 isoSLG, but still produced .324 bases-per-PA).  

It is not difficult to discern the pattern: despite the recent improvement in his walk-rate and suppression of his strikeout-rate, Kotsay's offensive production cannot be buoyed by those offensive dimensions alone.  Meanwhile, aging and accident have render his bat pusillanimous, as the significant and correspondent declines in BAbip, bases-per-PA, and OPS reflect: in 2006, he maintained a solid BAbip (.294) and was thus able to remain slightly productive through his batting-average (.275; .057 isoOBP), despite his mediocre .348 bases-per-PA (.111 isoSLG); in 2007, however, Kotsay was debilitated to such an extent that he could no longer even power singles, much less extra-base hits, and his .231 BAbip and .270 bases-per-PA buttress this observation.

Since I enter this endeavor with preconceived negativity and trepidation, I will attempt to account for this in my projection for 2008 -- I will split the difference between his 2004-2006 and 2007 production, which I believe is a reasonable theoretical premise:

420 PA / 385 AB
99 H / 34 BB / 1 HBP / 39 K

32 XBH / 146 TB / .268 BAbip
24 2B / 1 3B / 7 HR

.257 / .319 / .379

Although the .367 bases-per-PA I predict would represent a significant rebound for Kotsay vis-à-vis 2007's production (and a light improvement compared to 2006), these numbers still amount to an ~.700 OPS player -- even packaged with above-average center-field defense, which is a dubious assumption, this is still barely adequate.  For instance, by virtue of his superior on-base skills and walk-rate, the recently-maligned Andruw Jones still maintained a .724 OPS in 2007 despite only producing .358 bases-per-PA thanks to his .222 AVG/.242 BAbip; in addition, his superlative defense was a predictable and demonstrable fact.  

Personally, I think these prognostications are quite justifiable, based on the ambiguous conditions upon which Kotsay's 2008 production will be predicated; if, indeed, he posts a 92 OPS+ in 2008 - a tremendous rebound from 2007, and better than his 2006 season as well - I think the Atlanta offense can survive.  Of course, this will only be the case provided his PA arises from the eighth position, and not the first or second spot, where his sub-par rates are both distributed over a greater percentage of the team's total PA, and have the additional deleterious effect of reducing the team-PA percentage of superior options (Escobar and, especially, Johnson).  

However, overall, I think Kotsay is no better or worse an option than Gregor Blanco (or Josh Anderson, for that matter), and so in this sense his acquisition was redundant; depth is a nice commodity during the arduous 162-game major-league season, but fungible redundancy is only a highly superficial form of "depth."  In this case, all Kotsay does is necessitate a back-up plan, because of his injuries and injurious production: if the front-office had little to no faith in Blanco's ability to be meet or transcend replacement-level CF-production, Kotsay is a reasonable veteran alternative (though not worth Joey Devine's salary-controlled potential); conversely, Josh Anderson could be a reasonable alternative of comparable inexperience to Blanco; nonetheless, all three are left-handers with similar offensive profiles, and as such only two of them are necessary.  

Instead, Wren surrendered two relievers of potential value - one with untested potential; one with limited, but seasonally-consistent, value - to increase the chances that the Braves receive (at best) very mediocre offensive production out of their center-fielder in 2008.  And, even if Kotsay plays around 140 games and accrues around 600 PA - thus nullifying Blanco and Anderson, for the most part - I still cannot envision a realistic scenario in which Kotsay bests a .750 OPS, which means slightly below league-average production is the best outcome for which we should hope.

by jpx7 on Feb 12, 2008 10:18 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

propitious?
Now listen, if I have to go grab a dictionary, it's just not worth it!

by secondbass on Feb 12, 2008 11:14 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Worth it for me
And there's always context.

by jpx7 on Feb 12, 2008 12:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

give the guy a chance
look on the bright side... if Kotsay plays well, good for us. We got a steal in that trade.

and if Kotsay self-destructs, then we get to bring up Schafer and start grooming him.

by RehabReject on Feb 11, 2008 5:22 PM EST   0 recs

2004
I can't begin to try to predict what 2008 will be like for Kotsay because I'm still trying to figure out how he finished tied with Alex Rodriguez for 14th in AL MVP voting in 2004, ahead of Johnny Damon, Paul Konerko, Hank Blalock, Melvin Mora, Mark Texeira, Victor Martinez and hell, even his teammate that year Erubiel Durazo.  Once I figure that out I'll get back to you on '08.

by FeelingHornery on Feb 12, 2008 12:39 AM EST   0 recs

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