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Keith Law reviews the Vazquez trade

Worth reading, as he has a good review of each player involved in the trade. He likes Flowers and Rodriguez, but doesn't have many good things to say about Lilli and Gilmore. He repeats what many others have said about Javy -- good peripheral skills but gets into trouble once or twice a game.

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I used to hate Keith Law but eventually became aware that he really is one of the more informed analysts out there. BP and BA both have good writeups of the trade as well.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 4, 2008 6:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how can you hate KLAW? the dish is one of the best blogs on the net today. probably better than this one (don’t throw a bottle of banker’s choice vodka at me gondeee)

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 4, 2008 6:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This was a couple years ago when I still thought batting average and win-loss records were good measures of a player’s worth. I know better now, and respect Law more than most analysts out there.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 4, 2008 6:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It’s essentially Vazquez for Flowers. Rodriguez is a crapshoot at this point.

It’s a good trade, in my opinion.

- Oh, Bobby. -

by sdp on Dec 4, 2008 6:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like this trade too.

I also like that Vazquez can pitch a lot of innings and is a power pitcher. It sucks giving up Flowers, but we didn’t have to give up any of our top pitching prospects in return, so it’s all good.

by Sparhawk on Dec 4, 2008 8:23 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder where Law got his scouting report on Vazquez

because checking Vazquez’s pitch f/x, Law looks wrong or maybe just outdated.

Vazquez’s fastball has average movement at worst. Little less vertical but more horizontal. It averages 93.1 MPH and can actually touch up to 96, maybe 97. For comparison, Smoltz in 2007 was averaging 93.5 MPH on his heater. Actually, they have nearly identical movement on their fastballs. Looking at Smoltz’s 2007 pitch f/x, they throw the same 4 pitches (Fastball, Curve, Change, Slider). Does Smoltz still throw the splitter? Maybe some of those are lost in the data. A Vazquez/Smoltz comparison would be fun to write up some day.

The best offspeed pitch Vazquez has is his changeup. It looks absolutely devastating. 11 MPH in speed difference, nearly identical horizontal movement, and 3 inches less vertical movement. The difference in speed and movement actually looks very similar to Johan Santana’s fastball/changeup combo (except right handed of course). Both the curve and slider look like they’re above average pitches, with the slider being the better pitch.

Anyway I don’t think saying Vazquez has a flat 90-93 MPH fastball with 2 average offspeed pitches and one slightly below is very accurate. He’s not going to strike out 200 guys a season with that kind of repertoire.

I have a problem with this line too:

he defaults to his fastball when he’s behind in the count, it results in some very hard-hit balls.

Because what pitcher doesn’t go to their fastball when they’re behind?

by VictorW on Dec 4, 2008 10:43 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice writing, and encouraging for the Braves

Victor Wang, you are the Tommy Hanson of baseball analysts — but younger, right?

by JimK on Dec 5, 2008 12:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My last name’s actually Wei, but is there a Victor Wang baseball analyst? I’m a few months older than Hanson though. Oh man, I’m starting to reach the age where I’ll be older than the players I’m watching.

by VictorW on Dec 5, 2008 12:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sucks so bad; I just turned 27 and I’ve got A ball guys calling me Sir. I’m older than most of the AAA guys now. The guy that always gets me is Rome’s hitting coach Bobby Moore; I knew him when he played and he’s been a coach for 10 years now.

by cbwilk on Dec 5, 2008 2:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny how easily time passes without realizing it. When Chipper broke into the bigs I remember thinking to myself that if I had made it that could be me (age wise, not comparing myself to Chipper). It wasn’t until much later that I realized I’m 4 years older than him. Talk about your “rude” awakenings.

by scstrato on Dec 5, 2008 9:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sucks, doesn't it?

Rooting for, in essence, a bunch of kids compared to us old farts.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 5, 2008 8:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why

I always like Julio Franco. Amazing really. And he always made me feel young(er).

by WienerDog on Dec 5, 2008 11:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is why i’m starting to hate college sports. “hey, that dude is younger than me, and i’m swearing at him. its like i’m a little league dad”

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 5, 2008 5:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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