Tense
Why is everybody so tense here? Almost every fanpost is "OMG our rotation sucks we are gonna get killed this year" or "Frank Wren is the worst GM in baseball" or any other negative stuff. I know we are coming off of a rough year and this off-season has not been much better. But seriousy. I love going to "The Phinsider" because it is always fun over there. We make jokes. I actually laugh at stuff I read online. That doesn't usually happen. Then I come here and almost everything I see is talking about how stuff is going so horrible for us. We aren't the Pirates here people. We aren't the Nationals. We aren't the Royals. We are Braves fans. Sure, we had a bad year last year. So what? Did anyone watch the Rays last year? Was anyone expecting the Phillies to win the WS? I am in no way comparing us to the Rays or Phillies, but anyone can come from nowhere any season.
I know some of you are going to comment this that if I love going to the other sites so much, then I just shouldn't come here and I should stay there. I know that. I know some of you will comment this about our rotation or FW or something else negative. And you know what? Go ahead. I don't care. Because I am staying positive. We didn't get Peavy? Oh, well we keep Yunel and Gorkys. Furcal snubbed us? Oh, well Kelly does a fine job at 2B. We gave up Flowers? Oh, well at least we got a good pitcher in return. Besides, we got McCann, an All-Star catcher. Yeah, it was frustrating watching us play last year. But as someone said on here before, "I would rather watch bad baseball than no baseball at all."
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I am actually looking forward to this upcoming year. Even if we dont get anyone else, i’m still excited. Maybe we will get to see some of the young guys play. I just love Braves baseball. GO BRAVES!!
by heap16 on
Dec 24, 2008 8:50 PM EST
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Somewhere there is a balance between the misguided, sky-is-falling pessimism of some posters and the naive, laissez-faire optimism of scottyboy.
It’s easy for Phillies fans to joke. They are defending World Series champions, and they’ve filled their needs for 2009. For the Braves, it’s not so simple. The future is hazy, and it’s hard to joke when things are so unclear. We aren’t the Nats or the Royals…at least, not yet. But there is a very real danger that if things don’t turn around in the next few years, the Braves franchise could be just another Astros or Giants: a mid-market franchise struggling to get back on its feet.
So while I agree that there’s reason to be glad that Peavy or Burnett or Furcal didn’t happen, I do believe there is a great deal of urgency for the rest of the offseason. Frank Wren needs to make something happen. I don’t care what he does, but for right now, the organization is severely lacking in direction. Wren needs to make something happen, and I have full faith that he will. But I ain’t exactly going to relax either.
by tgthree on
Dec 24, 2008 8:54 PM EST
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I am not taking a naive, laissez-faire approach
I know that we aren’t exactly set right now. But I am not saying that we need to panic that Vasquez is our best starter right now. I’m not going to panic that wd don’t have our power hitting left fielder yet. I know nothing is certain, but Heyward is coming in a few years and he has some pop. I know that next year isn’t going to be our best season ever, but we are not on the level of the Braves of the 80s that you would think we are on just by reading some of the posts on here. Ok, I may be relying on prospects a little too much, I will give you that. But I am not completely relaxed and naive.
I disagree with you on the fact that we are lacking in direction. Yunel and McCann can be cornerstones of our franchise for many years. Hopefully Francoeur will turn things around. I’m not saying that Frenchy will be a Manny Ramirez or anything, but if he learns to take walks then he can be a good major league player. That is a big if. And like I said, nothing is certain, but we have a top 10 farm system. Heyward, Schafer, Gorkys, Freeman, Hanson, and many others. There is no guarantee that all of them will be good players at the major league level.
by scottyboy10 on
Dec 24, 2008 9:11 PM EST
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Oh, and I am not expecting us to be the Rays or Phillies next year
I simply brought that up to show that any team can come from anywhere in any season.
by scottyboy10 on
Dec 24, 2008 9:13 PM EST
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You’re making my point for me, dude. My whole point is that there’s a middle ground. I don’t agree with all the doomsayers who think the organization is headed down the tubes. Our farm system is likely top five in baseball, and I think Frank Wren has done an admirable job so far. I have full confidence in the organization, and I am as far as you can be from a state of “panic” that Vazquez is the best starter or that we don’t have a left fielder. I’m with you on all of the above.
However, I totally disagree with your conclusion (“I would rather watch bad baseball than no baseball at all.”). When I read that, I see an indication that we should be happy just to watch a baseball team, and I am not content to simply watch bad baseball. I don’t believe in just waiting for the future to come and hoping for better days in 2011. That is NOT to say I want to sell the farm; far from it. But the Braves need to make some moves to at least keep their heads above water until the prospects are ready. Maybe that means signing Andy Pettitte, and calling him our ace….I could put up with that. I’m willing to be unconventional, and give Wren the benefit of the doubt. That said, he needs to do something. He simply cannot walk into the season with Matt Diaz in left and Javier Vazquez fronting the rotation; it just can’t happen that way. I am not saying he needs to throw caution to the wind, but he does need to make some sort of moves (and I believe he will).
My whole argument is that there is a happy medium between “this franchise will never be good again” and “everything is dandy…I’d rather watch bad baseball than no baseball at all.” There is stance in between the two that’s pleased with where things stand, but that remains concerned that more is to be done yet.
by tgthree on
Dec 24, 2008 10:31 PM EST
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I am not disagreeing with you that there is middle gournd
I know that there is. If you believe that I am on the naive side, then that’s your opinion. I’m just saying that watching bad baseball is fun. But neither is watching no baseball. So you have to pick one. And I would rather watch bad baseball. I’m not happy with it as you suggest. If you would rather not watch, cool, then don’t watch. That said, I do not believe that everything is dandy. I know Vasquez isn’t a number 1. I know Diaz is not an everyday starter in left in the MLB. So I guess I am saying I am in the middle ground too, but not necissarily in the same middle ground that you are in. If that makes sense.
by scottyboy10 on
Dec 24, 2008 11:42 PM EST
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Watching bad baseball is NOT fun
is what I meant to say
by scottyboy10 on
Dec 24, 2008 11:43 PM EST
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I completely agree with tgthree. There are plenty of men’s leagues out there that will let you go play bad baseball. But every time anyone posts anything negative on this sight, somebody posts a crybaby picture and twenty bloggers stuck in the nineties post their little "+1"s and “good post”s. Yes, I expect everything to be okay, but you “God forbid you question a move my the Braves” fans are the most annoying fans on the fucking earth.
by tgriffith3 on
Dec 26, 2008 12:30 AM EST
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+2,173 ... GOOD POST!

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
by FrankyWren on
Dec 26, 2008 1:43 AM EST
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great reference
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on
Dec 26, 2008 7:23 PM EST
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Crying baby pictures are usually deserved
OMG FRANK WREN CANT CLOSE TRADES WE R SCREWED I WANT SHUREHOOLTZ BACK
by VictorW on
Dec 26, 2008 11:07 AM EST
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I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Dec 27, 2008 2:01 PM EST
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+1
now what kind of mind fuck is that
by yondaime4 on
Dec 28, 2008 12:03 AM EST
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"Was anyone expecting the Phillies to win the WS?"
We don’t have three infielders who are perennial MVP candidates, or an underrated power outfield, or a solid ace, or a lights-out closer.
We are crap this year with or without Dunn/Burrell/Whoever.
by Land-Man on
Dec 24, 2008 10:03 PM EST
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I agree with this post. I’m staying positive, even if things don’t seem to be looking up lately. There has to be a light at the end of the tunnel at some point and some things have to get bad before they can get better, or however that saying goes. I’d rather be a Braves fan with full uncertainty of this season than a Yankees fan with a team trying to buy a WS championship (no offense to Yankees fans, just my opinion).
Uncertainty can sometimes be a blessing in disguise, and even though it’s easy to get down about the season because of the bad off season we’ve endured so far, everyone should try to stay positive and see what happens. There’s still a lot of off season left to go. Anything is still possible.
- Leah
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Catcher's Blog - Braves blog by a huge Braves fan.
by mccannfan on
Dec 24, 2008 10:24 PM EST
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Agree and Disagree.
I am so sick and tired of the-sky-is-falling crowd that I’m another inane couple of FanPost and/or stupid set of comments away from taking a vacation from this site. That said, to counter that with the opposite extreme is just as frustrating to me. We can be concerned about the fact that we’ve only been able to address one of three stated needs, but we can also take solace in the fact that we didn’t make bad things worse with reactionary moves to those disappointments. I have faith in Wren and we have time to make things better; besides, there are worse things than standing pat because the next wave is certainly on its way. There’s just no reason to bitch or freak out about everything all the time and, for that, I endorse this post.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on
Dec 24, 2008 10:39 PM EST
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bleh
all of these posts are getting old, irrespective of the approach. maybe there’s simply not much to talk about right now… for a few days? that’s not so bad.
but for anyone who is new to the site and is itching for a rehash of the peavy/escobar debates or what not, just run through the old archives where you’ll see these arguments crafted to a fine point with relevant sets of stat-based premises and pictures of the players’ wives (and then entirely new reasons and arguments to sign one particular player over another) and everything else one could ask for this holiday season.
by brndn on
Dec 24, 2008 11:08 PM EST
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obviously u didnt see all the pictures of the players wives or the link to the article about Pat Burrel and his sexual escapades
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on
Dec 25, 2008 1:09 AM EST
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DOLPHINS: possibly making the playoffs, have already won 900% more games than last year.
BRAVES: biggest offseason move was trading a stud prospect and others for “a solid innings eater” and signing a backup catcher who isn’t totally horrible. you do the math
BIG JOE SUCK ONE
by bigjoe on
Dec 25, 2008 9:28 PM EST
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i know
but even when we started 0-2 everybody was still joking around and having fun.
by scottyboy10 on
Dec 26, 2008 10:32 AM EST
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Good question....and some good news
Scottyboy poses a very reasonable question.
Here’s the answer. At the beginning of the offseason, thousands of Atlanta Braves fans were brought to believe that the Braves would acquire two top-of-the-rotation starting pitchers and a middle-of-the-order power hitting left fielder, then re-sign John Smoltz.
This very public expectation was encouraged despite the fact that the Braves compete in the professional marketplace against 29 other major league teams….many of whom have as much or more money to spend than the Braves….and many of whom want to rebuild their starting rotations and lineups as much as the Braves do.
When AJC columnist David O’Brien fanned the ill-fated Jake Peavy rumors in October and November, a large number of Braves fans were thinking along the lines of a Peavy/Burnett/Smoltz/Jurrjens/Hanson starting rotation and an improved lineup that could score a lot more runs. So for a few weeks, people actually thought the Braves might win the NL East Division pennant in 2009.
Although the actual chances of making up a 20 game deficit in the standings in one offseason while having to rebuild the starting rotation have always been fairly close to zero, this reality did not sink in for most people until the Peavy deal fell through and Burnett signed with the Yankees.
Now, many rank-and-file fans are “tense” because they are just now realizing 2009 will be a rebuilding year for a team with a lot of shortcomings and “holes”, and that is not at all what they were brought to believe at the beginning of this offseason.
Take heart. The Braves will not catch the Phillies and Mets in 2009, but there is still some very good news. That good news is that the “holes” in this ball club are almost a perfect fit with the current strengths of the Braves’ farm system. The Braves need to rebuild their starting rotation and their outfield. Within the next two seasons, talented prospects Tommy Hanson, Cole Rohrbough, Jason Heyward, Jordan Schafer, and Gorkys Hernandez will probably reach Atlanta. Frank Wren has demonstrated a will to hang onto them and develop them into future Braves. This means the Braves will almost certainly be competitive again in the NL East Division within 2-3 years without having to spend ridiculous money to predatory people like Paul Kinzer, Arn Tellem, and Scott Boras to sign overvalued free agents.
This will not satisfy the “immediate gratification” crowd. But nothing satisfies them. For people like me who were Braves fans during the very lean years of the 1970s and 80s, things actually look somewhat more optimistic now that the new Braves GM has shown an inclination to hang onto the Braves undervalued minor league assets. I know some of them probably won’t make it to Atlanta for various reasons, but many will. And I’ll gladly take Jordan Schafer, Gorkys Hernandez, and Jason Heyward over Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell, and Rocco Baldelli right now.
by Messenger on
Dec 26, 2008 9:31 AM EST
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Very well said
and I like and agree with your last line the most.
by secondbass on
Dec 26, 2008 11:42 AM EST
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Meanwhile
I have to watch a shit team again next year, screw 2011, I want to win now. If that means trading Heyward AND Hanson for Aaron Harang, so be it.
by TradeAndruw on
Dec 26, 2008 8:16 PM EST
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Haha, nice.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Dec 27, 2008 2:03 PM EST
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