Yanks get drunker
by gondeee on Dec 23, 2008 4:03 PM EST
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It just makes me sick that one team can gobble up all the good players.
Free-agent first baseman Mark Teixeira has reached agreement with the New York Yankees on an eight-year contract worth $180 million, two sources involved in the negotiations tell ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.
The Yankees now have the four largest contracts in all of baseball.
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Tex to Yanks
Good Gravy. What are the Yankees trying to do? Sign all the free agents so that all the other teams won’t be able to field enough players and will have to forfeit the entire season and proclaim the Yankees "World Champions".
by CHill33 on Dec 23, 2008 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you know?
That already happened:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27656
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 23, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, digging up articles from 2003 with the quickness. Well played.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 23, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he’s got that link loaded up and is commenting it on every single blog he finds that is discussing this deal.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Dec 23, 2008 4:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think CHill33 and him have a little tag-team thing going on? Hitting every SBNation blog there is?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 23, 2008 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Roy
Posted here because the first comment was too easy a set-up. Love that article, tho.
'Oh yes, I know all about that duty-of-a-citizen stuff. It doesn't go. There are exceptions to every rule, and this was one of them. When a man risks his liberty to come and root at a ball-game, you've got to hand it to him. He isn't a crook. He's a fan.'
by Catsmeat Potter-Pirbright on Dec 23, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the upside of this is that maybe it will open up the market for all the other sluggers who were waiting for Tex to sign. Maybe there’ll be some action now.
by cbwilk on Dec 23, 2008 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The yanks will be the first team
to BUY a World Series. This is disgusting and having been a fan of baseball for the last ten years and followed it religiously, this makes me want to forget that baseball even exists.
Obviously bud selig needs to buy a clue and institute a salary cap. The yankees are gonna spend as much on Tex, CC, and AJ over the lives of their contracts as many teams will spend on their rosters to put a team on the field over the eight years.
by colerocks on Dec 23, 2008 4:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is a salary cap. The Yankees paid 26 million in luxury taxes for going over it last year.
by 10-4 on Dec 23, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a difference between the Luxury Tax (which has worked WONDERS /sarcasm) and a true Salary Cap.
The NFL has a Salary Cap, and this kind of thing doesn’t happen.
I don’t know that a salary cap is a good thing, it just makes owners greedier, since they get to pocket more of the profits. Say what you will about the Yanks/Sawx/et al, but they reinvest their money in their product, which benefits the fans (and the league).
Yeah, you have to work to ensure that a monopoly doesn’t take shape, but the Phillies won the World Series against the Tampa Bay Rays, so it doesn’t look like that’s happening. Fans go through this all the time, whining and crying that the Big Bad Yankees stole their free agent, when really, it was just a product of everyone operating for their own best interests.
I hate the Yankees as much as anyone else, but it isn’t out of spite, it is out of jealousy. I’ll admit it, I wish the Braves had the ability to do the exact same thing the Yankees do every offseason. We can’t, I know that. There is absolutely no point in whining and crying about it though. We do what we have to do, and they do what they have to do.
by mburris1 on Dec 23, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry if that seemed directed at you. It wasn’t.
I just kind of got on a roll.
by mburris1 on Dec 23, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Boston
I think Boston actually plays the big market team role in the perfect manner. They spends loads of money on prospects, not only in the draft, but in Latin America as well. They spend well at the big league level too. They aren’t afraid to overpay for shorter contracts, that won’t kill them longterm.
by JFP on Dec 24, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A salary cap just doesn’t guarantee parity. Look at the NBA and NFL compared to MLB. The NBA has had only 8 diifferent champions since 1980, and the NFL has a history of a pack of teams at the top of the hill while everyone else looks up at them(Colts, Pats, Eagles this decade; Cowboys and 49ers in the 90s) but baseball has had 19 different world series champs since 1980. Sure the Yankees had their run in the late 90s and boston has been good recently but those are really the exceptions. And besides having the big bad wolf to chase I think can actually be healthy for the rest of baseball.
The only real issue I have with the way the Yankees do business is that it upsets the balance of the Al east in some ways almost forcing other teams to spend money to try and keep up, but even the rays proved that wrong this year. And yes, the Marlins bought (and sold) both of their world series.
by yondaime4 on Dec 24, 2008 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL has much more parity than MLB does. Just looking at this season alone, there’s a team who won a single game last year (the Dolphins) with 10 wins and another one (the Falcons) who won 4 games last year and have also won 10 this year. The fortunes of teams can vary tremendously in the NFL year to year, and its structure rewards the teams who consistently make savvy personnel decisions in drafting and in a balanced and thoroughly competitive FA market. Teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can gloss over their fuck-ups by throwing more money at a problem that they created by their own icompetence. This is not a fair situation, and it shouldn’t be how the sport operates.
by get swoll yunel on Dec 24, 2008 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GO DOLPINS!!!
sorry I saw you mention them and I had to say something
by scottyboy10 on Dec 24, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason the NBA has more repeat champions is because the playoffs are less of a crapshoot and a single player has more impact. There’s very few upsets in the NBA playoffs. The MLB playoffs are such a bastardization of the game. You don’t use your 5th starter and you only use the 4th starter sometimes. The luck factor in baseball is just so high as well. Anyone can be hot for a week or two, but it takes great teams to put up several excellent seasons. The basketball equivalent of the 14 year run by the Braves would be several championships.
by VictorW on Dec 24, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And watch
The Yankees STILL not win a WS. It’s not always about having all the best players. Remember we are talking about players A-Fraud and CC who CHOKE in the playoffs. They still have to win.
Side note, this is why the F*CK baseball needs a damn Salary Cap.
by cmdpsu15 on Dec 23, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
I hope they go ahead and sign Manny and maybe a few others, and then still finish in 3rd place behind the Rays and Sox. I am hoping for the most Epic FAIL of all time. They will have possibly the worst defense in baseball. Tex will be their best defender. With your best defensive player is at 1st base, should make for one hell of a blooper reel.
by bonesaw on Dec 23, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Remember that A-Rod is like pollen — he’s everywhere in the spring, but no where to be found in the fall.
by gondeee on Dec 23, 2008 4:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You know, I just now noticed you have three e’s in your name.
by beeniez on Dec 23, 2008 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jorge Sosa to Nats
Add him to the list of Braves now in a Nats uniform. I was hoping they’d get Tex, they need someone more exciting that Ryan Zimmerman.
by Land-Man on Dec 23, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if they got Tex we could be a last palce team.
by SayHeyWerd on Dec 23, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang
To go from almost getting Mark Teixeira to end up with acquiring Jorge Sosa is like trying to console someone who just lost their mother in a tragic plane crash with a 50% a large coke from McDonalds.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Dec 23, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d be content with a 5 piece chicken selects to be honest with you.
would that be like, ron mahay?
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
boo hoo
did the yanks steal your lunch money, too?
the good news about this is that fortunately players get worse as they get older (and injury is always a big risk), so signing them to long term contracts includes the possibility of paying them lots of money when they are no longer very good.
See: the yanks performance the last few years, jason giambi, carl pavano, and others.
by son.of.sourman on Dec 23, 2008 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2009 Yankees....
Please meet the 2008 Tigers!
by mvandonsel on Dec 23, 2008 4:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yankees are gay
On MLB Trade Rumors it says the Yankees are probably going to trade one of Matsui, Swisher, Nady or Damon. I’d make a big push for Nady and probably even Matsui
by SayHeyWerd on Dec 23, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Matsui is a Wasserman Media Group Client.
I know Matsui would be a trade but I still don’t think the braves would even want one of their clients at this point.
I like Nady and I think it would help our team but he’s not a power hitter. However, I do really like Nady but he has another all back; his contract has only a year left. But, if frenchy sucked again we might resign Nady and trade french bitch.
by Charmin519 on Dec 23, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true I forgot Matsui was a Wasserman client. He may not be a power hitter but he has power. 25 Home Runs and 90+ RBIS is great for a clean up hitter to go along with a good AVG and OBP
by SayHeyWerd on Dec 23, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty expensive infield
But nice 1-2-3 punch, wow.
Jeter
Rodriguez
Teixeira
by Land-Man on Dec 23, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1 one these things is not like the other…
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point was that Jeter is expensive as hell, I should’ve left him out of the second part. I agree he’s hugely overrated.
by Land-Man on Dec 23, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 23, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if their payroll will actually be 50% more than the next team.
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe more than all the other teams combined.
by CHill33 on Dec 23, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just the damn luxury tax they got hit with
is more than the Marlins payroll.
by bonesaw on Dec 23, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The three free agents they signed is more then two thirds of the braves payroll for last season and as of right now 90% of what the braves have committed right now. That is crazy!!! Considering it is only three players compared to 40
by That a boy on Dec 23, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
payroll down
Actually, the Yankees payroll is almost 20 million less than last year’s at this point. They had 88 mill coming off the books from free agents they let go. That said, this is still crap. Unfortunately, a salary cap is still a long, long ways away with the strongest players union on the face of the earth.
by MurphyHOF on Dec 23, 2008 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yanks!!!
Wow I did not see this coming. I am happy for Yankee fans but I feel the pain of every baseball fan. This is unfair and it should not be allowed. Last time I read I thought you could only sign two type A free agents but I guess that was the wrong information. I will boycott baseball if they sign Manny or Lowe. They need to leave some scraps geeeeze!!!!
by That a boy on Dec 23, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FUN FACT
the yankees have handed out the largest contracts ever to…
a starting pitcher (sabathia)
a relief pitcher (rivera)
a DH (giambi)
a 1B (teixeira – he’s lost the privilege to get called by a nickname)
a SS (jeter)
a 3B (rodriguez)
8 players have ever made more than 20 million in one season. 6 are yankees.
4 of the 5 largest contracts in baseball history have been handed out by the yankees. the other one was assumed by the yankees after 3 years.
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Apparently now the Yankees are able to trade a few players, aka Nick Swisher & Xavier Nady.
The Yanks will now try to trade at least one player from the group of Damon, Matsui, Nady and Nick Swisher to unclog a logjam in the corner outfield/DH/first base areas, while also trying to reduce some payroll. The player the Yanks would most like to move is Matsui, who is due $13 million a year.
- NY Post – Joel Sherman
Only thing with Nady is he’s a free agent after this season, I believe. Didn’t we have interest in Swisher before Yanks traded for him earlier in the off season? I think Matsui would be too much to take on for one year, too.
- Leah
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Catcher's Blog - Braves blog by a huge Braves fan.
by mccannfan on Dec 23, 2008 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
none of these names make me smile.
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but just some suggestions since there’s not a lot of excitement either in the other FA outfielders.
Also, I find it funny that Teixeira said he preferred the Yankees over the Red Sox and Angels after they backed off.
- Leah
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Catcher's Blog - Braves blog by a huge Braves fan.
by mccannfan on Dec 23, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
theres excitement about a tall texan, but not from the people that matter.
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nady makes me smile, and giggle a little bit
by SayHeyWerd on Dec 23, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does he get booed when the Yanks come to Turner this summer?
- Oh, Bobby. -
by sdp on Dec 23, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
good question.
I wouldn’t what did he do to us?
by mvandonsel on Dec 23, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why not...
…just add him to the list…..
by sddbaker on Dec 23, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, so true.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 23, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not. He’ll probably get a loud ovation, like Tom Glavine after he left us for more money and Andruw Jones. Furcal probably will too.
by jjcollins on Dec 24, 2008 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tex played here one year...
… he didn’t spend all of his career here prior to leaving. I can guarantee you Furcal will be booed.
- Oh, Bobby. -
by sdp on Dec 24, 2008 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, quick final fun fact.
the total of every contract on the braves payroll (including expired years and forthcoming years) is $169,787,500
the yankees have handed out TWO contracts this winter for more than that amount.
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
cant wait
to watch the yanks fail again
i cant wait for the Braves to sweep them
and i really cant wait for the yanks to finish 3rd in their division again
by bravesfan1047 on Dec 23, 2008 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Actually
it doesn’t make me angry. If you want to win you have to spend money. Unlike our cheapskate owners at Liberty Media, the Yanks will spend the money to win a World Series.
The unfortunate attitude that has prevailed in Atlanta is we will patch up the holes in the team with some bandages and try to scrape into the playoffs. The Yanks approach is lets put together a team and go all out and try to win a championship and increase the value of our franchise.
Back in the day we used to do this. Go out and get guys like Maddux, Gallaraga, Denny Neagle (trade), Mcgriff (Trade), Grissom (trade). We have not signed anyone else so we could have spent the money on Texiera if we wanted too.
And if all the players stay healthy the Yanks will win the world series with that loaded staff and lineup.
by Jerret Anderson on Dec 23, 2008 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love mis-informed, mis-guided comments. Did you know that the Yankees bring in the most revenue of any ball-club? True, it’s projected that they make twice as much yearly over any other team. In other words, they can afford to pay these ridiculous salaries and still turn a profit. So, since it’s virtually impossible for Liberty Media, or any other owner for that matter, to pay out more than they bring in finance wise but yet they still manage to increase payroll over last year, how does that make them cheapskates?
by scstrato on Dec 23, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have a serious question...
Why and how do they make double the money when compared to all of the other teams? I guess I mean, besides ticket sales, how else do they make money? Do the get a cut of every jersey, hat, bobblehead that is bought by a Yankees “fan”?
by mvandonsel on Dec 23, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
I’m not 100% sure of the answer but I do know they sell more merchandise than any other club, although I’m guessing it’s not that much more than the Cubbies or Red Sox. My guess is that most of their revenue comes from the Yes Network.
I’ll do some digging and see if I can’t find where I read this.
by scstrato on Dec 23, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who else WOULD get the money? “a cut of jersey sales”…seriously?
yankee stadium’s average attendance last season was over 53,000. their average ticket price was 36.58
the braves on the other hand had an average attendance of a little over 31,000 and an average ticket price of 17.05.
do the math. they make an average, AVERAGE of 1.4 MILLION DOLLARS PER GAME MORE. times 81 games is 113.4 million per season. just on attedance. concessions are also much more expensive. they don’t make any money off parking though. they also own their own TV network.
should i continue…?
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 6:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah seriously.
Because I am sure that a portion of jersey sales goes to the league, the players association, and the player. I understand ticket sales are higher, but there must be more to it in order for the Yankees to double the amount that every other team makes.
by mvandonsel on Dec 23, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MLB jersey sales (total) in 2007 were 3.1 billion. assuming (incorrect assumpion) that each team sold the same amount, thats 100 million apiece. the yankees are obviously more popular so got more. assume the team keeps what, 40% (low estimate) of that revenue, and thats $40 million as a low ballpark. which should cover the salary for teixeira & burnett this season.
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Forbes for 2008...
The Yankees actually LOST 47 billion dollars in 2008 and 25 billion in 2007. However, Forbes does not consider Yes Network in their calculations, if you do consider Yes, and assume that the Yankees take 100% of the network profit, then they made 125 million in 2007.
Yankees team value: 1.3 billion
Revenue: 327 million
Gate Receipts: 171 million
Player Expenses: 253 million
Wins to player cost ratio: 43
Major corporate sponsors:
Coca-Cola
Adidas
Verizon Communications
Sony
Bank of America
http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/2007/06/do-yankees-lose-money-not-if-you.html
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz_baseball08_New-York-Yankees_334613.html
by mvandonsel on Dec 23, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best part of all that
is that the Yankees still asked for $400M in taxpayer dollars for their new stadium.
by VictorW on Dec 24, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SIGN SHERRY HAITHCOCK. DO IT, FRANK!
- Oh, Bobby. -
by sdp on Dec 23, 2008 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure this is all frowned upon by Bud Selig.
by beeniez on Dec 23, 2008 8:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, because league offices HATE it when the biggest television market has the biggest players…
by mburris1 on Dec 23, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, is that why they’re trying to spread the wealth around – creating luxury taxes and revenue sharing to dissuade big spending? Yeah, it’s arguable that they want bigger market teams to get the biggest players, but I think they want several bigger market teams getting several players instead of one team getting so many.
by beeniez on Dec 23, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, because the luxury tax and revenue sharing has mean SO much to the other teams…
You’re probably right that they would have loved for Boston to get him instead of another Yankee headline, but I doubt it got more than an eye roll or a shrug from anyone at MLB. Not to mention we’d be having a similar, if not exactly the same, conversation had Boston landed Tex.
I just think we need to stop crying about it. It’s not like Cashman or Epstein woke up today and thought to themselves, “How can I piss in Frank Wren/AnyotherGMintheLeague’s coffee today?” They have a baseball team to run, and a certain amount of resources with which to accomplish their goals.
by mburris1 on Dec 23, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB114619267334238458.html
After you scroll down and look at the graph, please repeat that revenue sharing and luxury tax means everything to teams in a sarcastic way again. That’s your Atlanta Braves giving $10 million of their dollars to the Florida Marlins, who is pocketing that money.
So you’re arguing what facial expressions the commissioner’s office made? We would not be having this conversation, because Boston hasn’t signed a large amount of talent from other teams for record setting money – which is what we’re talking about, signing everyone up. At the GM meetings, Bud Selig said for teams to be very cautious with spending loads of money.
by beeniez on Dec 24, 2008 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can we just stop all the outrage?
The Yanks rake in the dough and they spend a lot of dough – this is no surprise to anyone, nor can anyone make a decent argument that it’s unethical. Now, where they got the money for that stadium of theirs is another thing, but really, there is nothing unethical about spending money to acquire premium talent in baseball or any other industry. It happens all the time.
Now, as to whether this makes them favorites to win the AL, I think not. Here’s how they look right now -
P1 – Sabathia
P2 – Wang
P3 – Burnett
P4 – Joba
P5 – Kennedy/Hughes/Pettite
C – Posada
1B – Tex
2B – Cano
SS – Jeter
3B – Rodriguez
LF – Swisher
CF – Cabrera
RF – Matsui/Nady
DH – Damon
Just go down the list – Sabathia and Wang are both excellent starters, but whether Joba can handle the workload and Burnett can stay healthy are major questions. Kennedy and Hughes are unproven but very talented commodities.
Posada may or may not be healthy and he may or may not be able to catch. If he has to DH, he’ll be one of many 1B/DH types that are clogging that lineup and they’ll be replacing him with a below average player.
Tex and A-Rod are monsters, two of the best players in baseball right now.
Jeter is in serious decline and could be barely above replacement level in 2009.
Cano is coming off a terrible year, and I don’t quite trust him yet. His ISO fell from .183 to .130 last year, and his defense fell from +8 to -6. He could bounce back, but he could very well never see the lofty heights of his 06-07 run.
The outfield is, well, not that great. Swisher should be good for a wOBA around .355 and slightly above average defense in the corners. Cabrera looked godawful last year and is probably 1 win above replacement at best. Matsui/Damon/Nady are not particularly reliable, but maybe there is strength in numbers?
Overall, this just doesn’t look like a dominant team to me. A better one than 2008, perhaps, but not like the Yankee teams that dominated the late 90s. If Burnett and Joba end up fit enough to handle 180+ above average innings each, it will be tough to beat them. The defense still sucks, and the offense is definitely not going to score the 1,000 runs that everyone on ESPN will predict.
Now, were I a Yankee hater, I would love this. They’ve gone out and spent money like it’s going out of style and yet it looks like that three years from now, these guys will be toast. Sure, A-Rod, Tex, and Sabathia will probably still be going strong, but Jeter, Posada, Burnett, and Matsui will all be out of the picture. Combine that with a mediocre farm and you’ve got a recipe for collapse circa 2012.
by BraveBronco0121 on Dec 23, 2008 11:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“may”
“could”
“should”
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by bigjoe on Dec 23, 2008 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point remains the same...
they aren’t even the clear cut favorites to win their division.
by BraveBronco0121 on Dec 24, 2008 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats because no one has made any predictions yet
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by bigjoe on Dec 25, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They always overpay
But I don’t see any holes in that lineup, or that rotation. The AL East will be a good fight next year. Hope we can stay in the mix in the NL East.
by Land-Man on Dec 23, 2008 11:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know If It's Been Said, But...
The Yanks extended Jeter (10/$189M) and signed Giambi (7/$120M) in 2001, traded for A-Rod in 2004 and commited 14/$373M to keeping him in pinstripes, signed Damon and Matsui (each at 4/$52M) in 2006, resigned Posada (4/$52.4M) and Mariano (3/$45M ) in 2008, etc. And that’s no small “etc.” either; remember Pavano, Wright, Randy Johnson and all those other busted acquisitions? Here’s a better question: do you know what they have NOT done since spending like drunken sailors? They haven’t won another World Series championship. They built a bynasty by developing their own stars (Posada, Jeter, Bernie Williams, Mariano, Pettite and many others) and filling in the gaps with gritty, not glitzy, veteran FAs and trade targets (Brosius, O’Neill and others).
This offseason, they’ve given Teixeira 8/$180M, Sabathia 7/$161M and Burnett 5/$82.5M. And guess what? They haven’t done anything yet. Mark hits like a pretty average 1B for roughly the first half of every season (.280/.373/.486 pre-AS-Game since 2006) and is untested in the postseason, C.C. has been a disaster in the playoffs (7.92 ERA, 2.20 WHIP and 1.09 K/BB) and is a ticking time bomb due to his workload/weight, A.J. has missed about 12 starts per season over his career and has never fully lived up to his potential. What’s to say any of this will change in New York, if not worsen? They signed some of the best available players, no doubt, but they’re not flawless or close to it and they signed them for too much and too long. They’re definitely the favorites going into 2009 (just like the Tigers/Indians were this past season) and they may well win it all, but nothing is certain except death and taxes. I’m not scared (I’d take the field over the Yanks in 2009 without hesitation) and I’m not the least bit upset that they’re doing this. Like I said, they’ve been at it for some time now and it hasn’t worked once.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on Dec 23, 2008 11:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
RIDICULOUSLY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE ALERT
teixeira OPSed 1.017 in 20 PA for the angels last season.
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by bigjoe on Dec 24, 2008 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much my point about them for a while now...
they’ve wasted millions on crap while turning their back on what built their mid to late 90s dynasty.
by BraveBronco0121 on Dec 24, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing they have bought is more pressure and more egos. You can’t buy a team, and they haven’t figured that out yet. That’s not to say they are not going to be very good, their talent is undeniable, but it won’t buy them the championship they are seeking.
by ajones2522 on Dec 24, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just for Shits and Giggles
Burnett = 82.5
CC= 161
Teix= 180
total that is 423.5 M… the Altanta Braves were purchased in 2007 for $497
bascially the Yankees could have boughten(? i think thats right) an entire franchise and used them as a farm system
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on Dec 24, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just "bought"...
"Have" takes care of the tense.
- Oh, Bobby. -
by sdp on Dec 24, 2008 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate the player, hate the game
The Yankees aren’t doing anything unethical, they’re following the rules. This has to do with the fact that baseball doesn’t have a salary cap and never will because the player’s union is too powerful and the commissioner is incompetent.
by was385 on Dec 24, 2008 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously People...
The Yanks have spent roughly $1,376,900,000 ($172M/year) since their dynasty took it’s last breath in 2000 and they’ve failed to win it all despite the mad spending. Their three big ticket items this offseason have combined for 25 IP (all Sabathia’s, all bad) and 15 AB (Teixeira has a grand total of ZERO XBH in the postseason) in the playoffs over their careers. Would you really want any of the guys they signed at the price it cost them? They’re the favorites now, sure, but since when has that ever meant anything once the dust settles? Two of the three guys they got were never targets of ours, so what do they matter to us? Money is not a prerequisite for winning, people. In fact, at least recently, you’ve been better off building your team the small market way for postseason success!
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on Dec 24, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even more sickening than the Yanks signing Tex, CC, and Burnette? They signed Kevin Cash today! The rich get richer!
by cbwilk on Dec 24, 2008 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about Nady?
With all this talk about the Yankees having too many corner outfielders, is it time to revive thoughts about maybe trading for Xavier Nady? I’d rather not have Matsui or Swisher, and I loathe Johnny Damon, but Nady seems like he might be a good addition.
by RonGantFan on Dec 24, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Swisher is the best outfielder they have right now
by VictorW on Dec 24, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I’d be on board for a Swisher trade, as long as the price is right.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 25, 2008 12:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Swisher
I agree on Nick Swisher. I think he has great potential and has shown he can be a run producer. He’s had 20 homers his past 4 seasons and he’s a switch hitter. I wouldn’t mind making a deal for him. He’d be a decent bat behind Chipper.
by mrrich95 on Dec 24, 2008 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Greed
PIGS get fed and HOGS get slaughtered!!
by Fear The Turtle on Dec 24, 2008 8:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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