Adam Dunn
by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 10:29 AM EST
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PrintIts pretty obvious we need a POWER BAT in left field. Adam Dunn is without a shadow of a doubt the best OF on the market. A new benefit just popped up, courtesy of the stupid, stupid, STUPID Diamondbacks: they didn't offer him arbitration. So if we were to sign him, we wouldn't lose our second round pick. Its win-win: we get our power bat without losing any young talent.
What makes no sense to me is why Arizona wouldn't offer him arbitration...what a stupid move, to give up 3 players for a 2 month rental, and not even get anything out of the deal.
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I with ya’ll on this one. I couldn’t care less about the strikeouts, gimme somebody who can change the ballgame with one swing of the bat at anytime. I know the braves don’t really go for these kind of players, but I seriously think Dunn is the kind of player who could energize the ball club…. and the fans.
Diamondbacks didn’t offer him arbitration because they didn’t want to risk him accepting. Now, I doubt that he would, but they felt that they absolutely couldn’t afford it. They’re in pretty bad financial shape, as they’ve already fired about half of their front office, and are drastically cutting payroll.
Dunn would be a great addition to the ball club. The news that the D-backs didn’t offer arb. makes him even more attractive and ball clubs will probably move on him fast. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s signed within two weeks. Depending on the contract that could be a great pickup. I hope we don’t stay away because he’s a lefty.
Haha
Look at you, all trying to get put onto the main page again.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
We don't necessarily need a RH bat
Our splits as a team against RHP/LHP aren’t as bad as you might think.
vs LHP: .264/.335/.381
vs RHP: .273/.350/.421
All six of our primary OF’s (Frenchie, Blanco, Kotsay, Norton, Anderson, B Jones) hit a combined 30 HR’s last season. Dunn had 40 by himself. I agree with coldriver that it probably wouldn’t cost us too much more to sign Dunn over Dye and we could keep our young talent or use it to trade for a SP. We should definitely look into signing Dunn.
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I don’t think many teams are interested in him because he doesn’t appeal to the average fan. We see the underlying value and how the strikeouts really aren’t too bad, but he’s going to frustrate a large majority of the fan base despite the home runs. I’d like to know a Reds or D’backs fan point of view on him. For me personally, I like his durability and stubbornness to play through injuries – I guess it’s the football player in him. If there’s one quality the Braves are looking for, and need, it has to be durability. It’d be a huge hit for one of the acquired players to go down to a major injury.
dunn actually wasn’t as bad this year…he wasn’t in the bottom 10 of all LF in the dewan rankings. no idea where he did rank since i don’t own the fielding bible…but heck, it can’t be THAT bad, right?
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Yeah
I think he pulled a Jeter and improved from “the worst fielder at his position” to “hey he’s about average now”
Dunn
Who would you rather sign Pat Burrell or Adam Dunn. Both would be looking at basically the same contract give or take 1/2 mill or the length. here are the numbers over the last 3 years
Dunn averages 40 Hrs, 100 Rbi’s, 93 runs, and 382 obp
Burrell averages 31 hrs, 92 rbi’s, 77 runs and 385 obp.
For the same money I have no idea why you would sign Burrell who is 3 years older and play just as bad a LF as anyone in the majors.
my money...
would be on Dunn. Neither guy is much defensively, so you still need a late innings defensive replacement for either of them. I could see the Braves going 4/1 with the 4 guaranteed, but no no-trade clause, of course. Dunn’s other weakness is dedication to the game — I think that’s what causes his lack of defensive skills, but I’m not convinced Burrell is any more qualified there.
I wouldn't go 4 guaranteed years
I would be more willing to go 3/41 with a mutual option for 15 million in 2012 when Dunn will only be 33
I agree with it all except Manny is the best FA OF
But there is 0 chance he ends up in a Braves uniform. I don’t care if we need a LH power bat. If we get more power in a righty, get him. McCann is lefty, and I know that he is not going to fill our need for a LH bat by himself, he is pretty good. Dunn would be a great addition to us.
Less important question: What number will he wear if he signs here? 44 is retired in honor of Hank Aaron.
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I just dont like how he strikes out as much… Homers are overated. Ill take average before homers
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You sure you want to use Andruw Jones as an example? Average does translate into other people getting RBI’s Its a team thats how it works. Also puts people on bases, stress on pitchers, and usually an average is a great measuring stick for how good a hitter they are. Home runs are nice but i wouldnt give a damn for a guy that hit 240 and 45 homers compared to a guy that hit 330 and 20 home runs. Leads to a more consistent oppourtunity to score runs. thats just my opinion
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by your logic, juan pierre is a better run produce than adam dunn. fail times a million.
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It’d be interesting to see some kind of statistical study on that. Take Juan Pierre’s best season versus Dunn’s best season and see who accounted for more offense for the team. Of course there’s also the intangible aspect of what a fast baserunner does to a pitcher and how that affects the batters behind him, but I’m not sure there’s any kind of stat to work that out.
Taking a quick glance at it, 2004 seems like the best year for both of them, Pierre had a .374 OBP and accounted for 149 runs between RBI and runs scored. Dunn on the other hand had a .388 OBP and accounted for 207 runs between the two.
Maybe one of the stat heads on here can work it up for real. But I think you’re right, in the end Dunn might produces considerably more.
http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py
go ahead, plug in a lineup of 9 adam dunns and a lineup of 9 juan pierres and tell me what you get.
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it was really close hoenstly and i was shocked (insert sarcasm here)… a lineup of 2004 Adam Dunn will score almost 2 runs more than a lineup of 2004 Juan Pierre
and more importantly… if you take their career OBP and SLG pierre is barely a league avg offense ( scoring below 4.5 runs a game) while Team Dunn scored well over 1000 runs a season at about 6.5 a game
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
ok so in all actuality 2001 was Pierre’s best season which would leave him about 1.7 runs per game short of Dunn. Even with Pierre’s advantage defensively (and he isnt that good with the glove) and his speed i find it hard to beleive he can overcome the 1.7 run difference.
there i think we can officially say that battign avg is not a suitable means for evaluating players… at least in compared with OBP or even SLG… although im sure someone else will try to justify batting avg
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
Plus batting average is not easy to repeat
There are few people who can put together several exceptional average seasons – Boggs and Gwynn come to mind.
pierre has the arm of a little girl. dunn has 13 more career assists, and has been in the league a year less. so yeah. and before you say ZOMG CENTER FIELD!!! please don’t.
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bigjoe, you’re dead wrong on this one. Pierre has the arm of a baby girl.
I’ve always been surprised that Dunn’s arm isn’t better for a guy who was a quarterback.
ya i meant to make a point that i throw better than pierre… even when i throw left handed.. but i kinda forgot… i didnt really check to see if Pierre is actually better defensivley i just assumed a guy with plus plus speed would be better than a guy who is less than fast
also if i have to choose… vegasces analogy made me laugh the most
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
Im looking
at a better all around player then Just run producer. being a run producer relies on people around you……. of course Juan Pierre has less RBIs he a lead off man. First in the batting order and i wouldnt call him an all around good hitter he lacks power and consistiency
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Look more closely...
we didn’t have problems getting men on base last year, but we sure couldn’t get them home. How many one run games did we lose?
what is interesting is that our team batting avg was high lik eu said 270 (good enough for 8th best in baseball)… however we were 16th in runs scored and 15th in OPS…. so ur analysis (while it isnt somethign we didnt know) is spot on
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
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