The Long Dark Tea-Time of Mike Hampton
It's hard to believe, but the Atlanta Braves traded for Mike Hampton before the 2003 season -- he's been a Brave for six years... well, technically it's been six years. We forget that for the first three years (what I like to refer to as "the healthy years") Hampton was one of the best bargains in baseball for the Braves, as they were only paying him $2 million or less from 2003 to 2005. In fact, when the Florida Marlins won the World Series in 2003, Mike Hampton was their second highest paid player (and he didn't even play for them).
The sad reality of Mike Hampton's tenure in Atlanta, is that the injuries happened right when he was finding his ace material in 2005, and didn't let up until... well, they may still be a factor, but no longer our concern.
The Braves have said in the past that they spread out the money they owed Hampton over the six years they had him, but since we aren't privy to the team's exact accounting, and we didn't find out that they spread out the payments over six years until after Hampton got injured the second time, I take that admission with a grain of salt. So while Hampton was a bargain to begin with, his contract occupied valuable payroll space the last three years.
Beyond just being money on paper (even if much of it was covered by insurance), it was money the team was reluctant to spend on anyone else. So the bottom line is that the money owed Mike Hampton in the final three years of his tenure with the Braves ($13.5M, $14.5M, and $15M) was money we could have spent on someone else, but couldn't in case Hampton was healthy and we had to pay him.
Remember too that Colorado paid $49 million and Florida ponied up $23.5 million of Hampton's salary and signing bonus and buyout... in fact, Colorado is still paying Hampton, and will continue to pay Hampton his deferred signing bonus until 2018 -- at least the Braves no longer have that kind of obligation to him.
At the time of the Hampton trade it was considered a masterstroke. One of John Schuerholz's greatest trades. We acquire a former ace, one who most everyone considered only temporarily damaged by the high altitude of Coors Field, we get the other two teams in the trade to pick up more than half of his remaining salary, and all we have to give up is a reliever with an attitude problem (Tim Spooneybarger) and an undrafted organizational arm (Ryan Baker) -- both of whom never amounted to anything in professional baseball.
It may have gone down at the best trade Schuerholz ever made if Hampton never got injured, but injury is always a risk and one shouldn't fault Schuerholz or Hampton for the failings of a ligament in the pitcher's elbow. The ugly truth after the fact is that the Braves paid Hampton $571,000 per start, and $1,386,000 per win when he was in Atlanta. It was perhaps the second-worst unfortunate fleecing of the Braves payroll since Nick Esasky got dizzy.
The underlying reality for the Braves that Mike Hampton's injury brings to the surface, is that his disabilitude and that of several other's in recent years, is likely luck catching up with the Braves. For the majority of our 14-year run of division titles, at least three and mostly four of our starting pitchers were toeing the mound for around 30 starts each year (or the strike-shortened equivalent of 30 starts). It has only been in the last four years that the majority of our starting pitchers didn't make at least 30 starts, with last year being the worst as only one of our starting pitchers went to the mound 30 times.
This, I suppose, is what this off-season is, or should be, all about. Perhaps it's not just about getting guys who should be starting 30 games, but that seems like the place where we should begin. We've seen the trickle down effect of starters not making consitent starts and reaching that 200 inning mark. The bullpen gets overused. Minor leaguers, who may not be ready, are called up to fill in for long periods of time. Minor league four-A pitchers are given multiple starts; and the list goes on.
Somehow the Braves need to return to that place where their stable of starting pitchers is the cornerstone of their success. And because we need more than one, and maybe even more than two of these guys, I wonder how wise it is to spend so much on just one of them. If Mike Hampton taught us anything, it should probably be that big long-term contracts for pitchers are a bad idea, whether we do the signing or we trade for a pitcher with an already established long term contract.
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I wonder if anyone will wear #32 this year.
Last 2 people to wear #32 for Braves:
Mike Hampton, Albie Lopez
by 10-4 on Dec 2, 2008 1:27 PM EST 0 recs
ALBIE LOPEZ!!!! oh MAN, i forgot about him. probably for the best
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
by bigjoe on
Dec 2, 2008 3:27 PM EST
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CC should go to braves because he's what
Gondeee,
Not related to Hamptom but very interesting post I ran into today.
by jasonbravo on Dec 2, 2008 2:23 PM EST 0 recs
Interesting article
More interesting comments. It’s a sensitive issue, but I’m not the least bit surprised to see someone mention it. I’m glad to see someone refer to the NY Times article about Matt Ryan and the Falcons fanbase as well, showing that even the more mainstream media thinkers are thinking it too.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Dec 2, 2008 2:49 PM EST
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It is odd that the Braves have appeared to not even make an offer to CC, assuming they can’t sign him. Who knows, maybe they have made one, but i don’t see any harm in making a fair-below-Yankee-offer to him, for shits and giggles. I’m not sure someone who plays once every 5 days would increase attendance that much, but who knows. I’m not for signing CC because he’s black, i am for signing him because he’s the best pticher on the market. Let the best players play, apologies to Terence Moore.
by 10-4 on
Dec 2, 2008 3:12 PM EST
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I’m glad you brought up T. Moore; I was going to if you didn’t. He’s made the same case for Griffey coming to Atlanta.
I, for one, despise this line of thinking. A player isn’t popular because of the color of his skin, he’s popular because he’s good, or great. Tiger Woods was not just good, he was great. Michael Jordan was great. Michael Vick had the same exciting potential as Jeff Francoeur, and people of all races went to see them play. Furthermore, it’s insulting to black people to think that they can’t care about a sport unless a black person is playing. Was the attendance higher when we had Sheffield, Jordan, Grissom, Andruw? No.
The Braves decision regarding CC is purely financial. He’s going to get something around what Johan Santana got and that would be a quarter of the Braves payroll. No team has ever made the postseason with one player accounting for a quarter of their team’s payroll (feel free to look this up and prove me wrong).
by gondeee on
Dec 2, 2008 3:24 PM EST
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i agree that the braves are not in position to anchor the books with one player.
but on the other: the idea that a child (or adult) might gravitate toward a sport because of a particular player due to a sociological factor is not necessarily insulting. the comparisons made by the author to vick and mcgriff, however, are problematic without any substantive data — different sport, different time, and so possibly different causes — so in my mind the jury is still out as to what the effect would be, if any, of a CC signing.
by brndn on
Dec 2, 2008 5:25 PM EST
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“one shouldn’t fault Schuerholz or Hampton for the failings of a ligament in the pitcher’s elbow.”
Get better pitching mechanics
While in the case of a curveball or slider it’s possible to generate spin by supinating the wrist, that is a bad thing to do (because it strains the UCL and causes the bones of the elbow to smash together).
If you’re left handed like Hampton, supinating would be turning your left wrist counterclockwise (palm faces up, thumb goes left). Hampton throws a cutter or slider and the traditional way to throw a slider or cutter stresses the UCL. Of course there’s ways to throw it without destroying your elbow, and the Braves should either teacher their pitches to do that or find pitchers who do that. Here’s how Steve Carlton threw his slider. On the release he says “Just remember not to twist your elbow or wrist.” which means he’s not supinating it.
Driveline Mechanics will say the same thing about supination
In my opinion, the most dangerous pitch today is the slider, as it is thrown with a supinated grip and the force of a fastball.
Maddux and Glavine never got injured because they had very, very good mechanics. Smoltz gets injured because he has problematic mechanics and a deadly slider, but he’s a gamer so he always comes back.
Hampton also had all kinds of crazy muscle injuries. Strained pec, for example. Stuff like that is typically do to poor conditioning and/or age.
The point I’m trying to make is that injuries aren’t as random and unpredictable as people think they are. There’s ways to determine if a player is more or less likely to get injured, and the Braves really should pay attention to things like that instead of just chalking it up to random bad luck.
by VictorW on Dec 2, 2008 2:25 PM EST 0 recs
Jairo C back to the Braves
Maybe I missed it but did anyone even care that Jairo got swiped by KC and then swiped back to ATL.
by jasonbravo on Dec 2, 2008 2:26 PM EST 0 recs
We cared. It’s one of the older fanposts, from last week when it happened.
by cbwilk on
Dec 3, 2008 2:15 AM EST
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