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Frank Wren is mad and out for vengeance, Steven Seagal style:

Braves general manager Frank Wren said today the Braves have notified the baseball agency that represents Rafael Furcal that they intend never to do business with them again.

The Braves thought they had a deal earlier this week to bring the star shortstop back to Atlanta, where he began his career, before Furcal decided to stay with the Dodgers for virtually the same terms. Wren said that Braves president John Schuerholz called Arn Tellem, who heads the baseball division of the Wasserman Media Group, to inform Tellem that the Braves will no longer enter into negotiations with them regarding baseball clients.

"We don't have any intention of doing business with them, and they've been notified of that,'' Wren told SI.com this afternoon.

Alright, maybe it's not Steven Seagal style, but it should leave quite an impression. We already know that the Braves are extrememly reluctant to do business with Scott Boras, so this is now two mega-agents (or agencies) that the Braves will essentially not talk to. In a market with limited options, this is going to limit them even further. I understand they are upset, but this is quite a drastic step.

I still think the Braves should file some sort of grievence with the Commissioner's office, even if they are not sure what rule was broken. It may sound like more whining, but I'm pretty sure that no one in baseball wants this to become the norm, so why not give the Commish a chance to squash it now.

[UPDATE:  12/18/08 @ 6pm]

John Schuerholz adds his voice to those upset in the Atlanta front office:

“Having been in this business for 40-some years, I’ve never seen anybody treated like that,” Schuerholz said. “The Atlanta Braves will no longer do business with that company — ever. I told [agent] Arn Tellem that we can’t trust them to be honest and forthright. I told him that in all my years, I’ve never seen any [agency] act in such a despicable manner.

“It was disgusting and unprofessional. We’re a proud organization and we won’t allow ourselves to be treated that way. I advised Arn Tellem that whatever players he represents, just scratch us off the list. Take the name of the Atlanta Braves off their speed dial. They can deal with the other 29 clubs and we’ll deal with the other hundred agents.” [...]

Schuerholz said he phoned Tellem Wednesday night.

“I expressed my great disappointment to him,” he said. “I watched as Frank shared with me the circumstances of his negotiations with Furcal — negotiations to the point where we increased our offer and he [Kinzer] then asked for a signed term sheet to be sent over. We never got that signed term sheet faxed back to us and we later found out why — because they took that offer and shopped it.”

When asked about Tellem’s reaction, Schuerholz said: “He was surprised. He tried to explain himself. He said he had nothing to do with it — it was the work of Paul Kinzer. I reminded him that [Kinzer] works for him and he has to stand behind the people who work for him. I told him I was making this official, and I was going to make it public.”

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!

At least it's good to know that Johnny-S has Wren's back (though, I think we could have assumed that all along). Those Braves fans calling for Wren to be fired and Schuerholz to come back need to wake up and realize that this is not Wren's fault, and he's going nowhere.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 18, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve always understood that Wren has a better relationship with Boras than Schuerholz did. We did make an offer to Tex, after all, and Boras claims we’ve called him about Lowe.

I agree with the move to blacklist Wasserman just on principle. You can’t deal with unethical people.

by matches on Dec 18, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wondering...

Does this mean we won’t sign any of their free agents (Randy Wolf is the only one we’ve shown interest in) or won’t deal with any of their players in general (i.e. not trading for them)? Also, Peter moylan is one of their clients… where does this leave him?

Lastly, while Wren was JS’s apprentice, one of his primary roles was dealing with agents, so this isn’t his first rodeo.

by call_me_chipper on Dec 18, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's

too bad that agents are starting to make baseball free agency a difficult thing. I remember back in the day where you would just sign someone and now you have to worry about all the antics of the agents. I will still boo the hell out of Furcal when he comes back to Turner Field. Here hoping to another 4 years of injuries for him.

by Jerret Anderson on Dec 18, 2008 5:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here is a link to the Wasserman Media Group Baseball Clients

Click on Management and Baseball.

Names that jumped out to me but there are many more:

Alex Rios
Carlos Lee
Chase Utley
Delmon Young
Dimitri Young
Edison Volquez
Edwin Encarnacion
K Rod
Giambi
Hideki Matsui
Jose Guillen
Kei Igawa
Nomar
Randy Wolf

by Charmin519 on Dec 18, 2008 5:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You forgot the biggest one (IMO), Hanley Ramirez.

by soup du jour on Dec 18, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What did the five fingers say to the face?

SLAP!
I think Wren just did it for the fans. He was standing up for us that have been reading the rumor mill for months with nothing to show, and decided that enough was enough!
But in all seriousness, I love that we have a front office with integrity.

by danielduello on Dec 18, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

those 2 are off my LIST. good on ya, fuckwreck and JS

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Dec 18, 2008 6:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ravings of a crazy old man

my grandfather gets like this sometime. you just have to put the tv on and turn the heat up and he’s asleep just like that.

if you don’t, he’s always yelling about something, the government hiding pension checks, plutonium in the water supply, you name it.

Schuerholz probably just forgot to fax the form over, or faxed a chinese takeout menu instead with beef chow mein, and randal furcal contract written in. you have to watch these senior citizens. i swear, the next press release is going to be a diatribe about the damn faxed machine eating it. or the jews. that’s a popular one, too.

by son.of.sourman on Dec 18, 2008 6:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why the Braves are not overreacting

Several teams were interested in signing Furcal for a significant amount of money. Of the teams willing to pay him, Furcal only wanted to go one of two places: Atlanta or LA.

The Braves did things the smart, but ethical way. They waited for the A’s to set the market price as the top bidder. They garnerd this information based on press reports or agent say so. Only then did they jump in to the bidding. They talked with his agent and began negotiations. Their salary offer was in line with what the A’s were giving. At the end of the day, they believed that they had the equivalent of the following conversation: Do we have a deal? Yes. Because an agent is involved, this takes on a slightly different, but univiersally understood language: Braves: Are we good? Agent: We’re good. Fax me a sheet. As in fax me a sheet for us to sign.

It’s okay that the agent wanted to give the Dodgers the last crack at Furcal. If he goes over and tells them that the Braves are offeing x, this puts the Dodgers in the position of trying to figure out if the agent is bluffing. Instead he walks over with a faxed offer sheet from the Braves. An offer sheet that they only would have given to the agent on the understanding that they had a deal. The Dodgers didn’t have to guess or take the agent’s word for it. They knew exactly how much to offer.

You cannot allow someone to this. The Braves are completely right.

by niekromurphy on Dec 18, 2008 8:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just hope the FO isn’t pouting about this and has now moved on to achieving our goals for the offseason.

I’m not saying that their indignation isn’t justified, but I would rather move on than have this linger.

by soup du jour on Dec 18, 2008 9:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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