I'm glad we traded Tex

by coldriver10 on Dec 10, 2008 4:28 PM EST Comment 85 comments

In case the boys take a break from the "Burnett talks coming along" thread...

So while I was running just now I thought about all the moves the Braves have made and still need to make, and it made me realize just how glad I am we traded Teixeira. I know a lot of people were complaining that we didn't even try to sign him to an extension, but everyone knew he was going to test free agency. And now it looks more and more likely that he's going to get about 10 years, $200 million from whoever signs him. That's not a price the Braves would have met (nor should they have), which would have left us with 2 compensation draft picks, $45 million to spend, and 4 gaping holes (2 SPs, 1 LF, and a 1B).

We've filled two of those (with Vazquez and a capable but still underachieving Kotchman). Hopefully we'll get Burnett and a LF (rhymes with Fun...n), and the Angels will enjoy those two draft picks.

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Teixeira's wife

Not bad. 7/10 in the real world, but 11/10 on a Georgia Tech scale.

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Definitely a Georgia Tech 10

Did she go to Tech? If so, impressive.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

I remember reading somewhere that that’s where he met her

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OMG

Well he definitely got the best one that’s ever been here.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol you guys are gay shes hot but not a 10

by SayHeyWerd on Dec 10, 2008 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude on the left almost looked like Alex Trebec at quick glance.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not seeing it. No mustache.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really? She’s just a 7? I think she’s really cute.

by coldriver10 on Dec 10, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m a tough grader

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Man. Well if we ever meet, make sure you’ve had about 5 shots first.

by coldriver10 on Dec 10, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's no fun.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

She is cute

But keep in mind Victor’s wife-drunk on Burnett’s wife and Podsednik, and Lima, who are essentially bomb shells compared to Mrs. Tex.

5’s average. 7’s good.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm assuming...

this is an example of the difference between “cute” and “hot”.

by sddbaker on Dec 10, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

She's definitely at least a 9 on the cute scale

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Manny Ramirez's wife is my fav

What can I say I like those latinas

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

/pass

Teixeira’s wife is my favorite so far, but she’s more my type. Although then there’s Kotsay’s wife. Oh I can’t choose.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bet you'd change your mind

If you saw Escobar’s wife. Only saw her once. Briefly. When they showed her after Escobar hit his first Turner Field home run. But damn.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember that.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 10, 2008 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank goodness, I can always count on you to remember the obscure stuff with me.

Remember Ashley Saltalamacchia on his near-home run in his first AB? Salty is the ultimate baseball man – marrying a GYM TEACHER from high school.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

to further the point… it wasnt just a gym teacher… i beleive it was his gym teacher from hs….yes the guy has game

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 10, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Link.

Watch the solo HR and you’ll see her. Hm not clear enough for me to give a judgment on

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember it as well...

sadly, they are now divorced.

by sddbaker on Dec 10, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, she was smoking hot!

by mvandonsel on Dec 10, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As for signing Teixeira

felt like the Braves had no chance. He turned down $140M from Texas over 8 years.

The funny thing is he might sign with Washington or Baltimore. MLB Trade Rumors was saying Washington offered 10 years and Baltimore offered 9 years. Crazy…

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

10 and 200 for Teixeira is a hell of better investment than 5 and 80 for Burnett.

by 17843 on Dec 10, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. risk vs reward is pretty high with burnett

by jeg on Dec 10, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mark Teixeira was a pain

A. The whole slow starter thing bugged the crap out of me. Its like those first games were chopped liver. We started so poorly, and a lot of it was his fault. Anything he gave you defensively, you lost right back when he didn;t produce until July.

B. He was a stat padder. While he had great games like the one where he hit 3 home runs, those don’t help. Where was he the day before when we lost by one.

C. He turned down an extension at during spring training.

D. We traded the whole farm for him.

E. He is such a great guy (and a Tech grad), that despite all this I couldn’t hate him, and I didn’t want to trade him, even though we got all we could for him.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 4:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Going to Tech

probably made him all spiteful and jaded, which is why he does it all for the money.

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It does that

and it explains a lot.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you. B also reminds me of a certain baseball player who plays on the Yankees….I’ll post his picture for my benefit.

by coldriver10 on Dec 10, 2008 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am bad at question marks.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah and...

F. It’s I before E Teixeira, don’t you know anything.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

holy christ, i stopped reading this after the first point. tex april OPS: .797. tex may OPS: .792.

jeff francoeur’s best month OPS: .769

I probably care about sports way too much. Like, waaaaaaaaay too much.

by bigjoe on Dec 10, 2008 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All you nonavatar people should get avatars

so the fanpost section isn’t filled up with default’s ugly mug.

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Tex, Inc.

The Article, SI.com, by Lee Jenkins.*

I liked the idea of Teixeira, but in the aftermath, I realize that I really didn’t care much about the guy. The article above sums a lot of it up; what Jenkins calls “systematic, CEO-behavior,” I call being a heartless equivalent of a robot. Certainly, it’s not the worst thing, and there are far worse accusations, but I saw Tex as someone who was hard to root for because he played with no emotion. I like seeing players who look like they give a shit – Tex didn’t.

Agree that he was a stat-padder. The closer the deadline drew, the amount of 3Us he racked up that could’ve easily been 3-1, or 3-4 plays increased with his homerun totals.

I don’t hate Teixeira by any means, and he certainly is deserving of whatever he makes, but back to the original point, I’d have to agree that it’s best that he’s gone.

*also explains that he did meet his wife at GT.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He's the opposite of Yunel

I like Yunel a lot because he is aggressive and passionate. He actually cares about every play, or is really good at making me think he does. If he could just hit into fewer double plays.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I read that article...

…and it certainly seemed to sum him up pretty well. I thought the part about “a part of him wanted to spend the rest of his career in Atlanta” was interesting.

by sddbaker on Dec 10, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Every Boras client says that patented line

“I would like to spend the rest of my career in _” (but I will offer no hometown discount, and go to the highest bidder anyway, I just said it to save face.)

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

but they usually say it before they sign somewhere else…he never said it until after we traded him.

by sddbaker on Dec 10, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably the part that thought they might offer him $200M over 9 years or $215M over 10 years.

by VictorW on Dec 10, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

um yeah trading away two great prospects and two good ones is a good thing.

by rocket8188 on Dec 10, 2008 4:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I’m glad we traded Tex….not FOR Tex.

by coldriver10 on Dec 10, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah just think

If we had all those prospects back, we still wouldn’t have gone to the playoffs for three years and we’d have Jake Peavy right now.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Seriously...

…fuck our front office for trying to improve our ballclub!

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 10, 2008 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey I'm not arguing...

I think we should do the Burnett deal and he’ll probably just end up hurt, but hindsight’s a bitch.

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hindsight is my worst enemy…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 10, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Imagine being a Tigers fan

And hindsighting/Kevin Baconing your way all the way back to a time where they could still have had John Smoltz. Only difference in the 80s, there was no internet, and the subsequent e-arguments.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't do it...

…I don’t have the strength to get involved in any more arguements involving trading Tex…someone else help me out.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 10, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Serenity Now

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 10, 2008 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

in supporting the trade….ive tried and it seemed to work marginally speaking

we trade Evlis Andrus…Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison and Salty…

ill start here.
Andrus is looking very toolsy at the moment.. hasnt put up good nbrs…has good skills and is young. wont be ready for at least 2 more years…high talent but its debatable how good he really is.

Feliz…ok ill admit this one hurts..biggest loss in the trade…i would love to have him on my team

Harrison… and 5th starter, maybe 4th if he makes his highest projection…we have plenty of these guys

Salty… he cant play C, esp not for us… his bat isnt looking as good as everyone thought, thus it doesnt play at 1B, right now…still room for improvement but we clearly sold him when he had his highest value…good move..

so thats what we lost we got

Teix for 1 1/2 years… he almost put us in the playoffs with his offense, unfortunately he couldnt make up for our pitching… not that he didnt try in 07….in 2008 we were the pick to win the division… because we had one of the best 3,4,5 hitters in the NL… again pitching let us down again..sure he started slow but our pitching was to blame not Teix… he had an OPS over 1.000 in 07 and despite a slow start had a 900 OPS in 08 (thats only incl his time with the braves)

then we traded Teix for Kotchman and MArek….Marek will most likely make an impact on our team this year.. hes a very serviceable relief arm…and we need that. Kotchman still is gettin better….there have been comparisons to Youkilis, and i think those could be warranted….wouldnt u like to have Youk on ur team….

Kotchman regressed a bit in 08, but it was his second full season in the ML… most players regress in their 2nd year…and the third year is when they start to show us what kind of player they really are, as they adjust to what pitchers are trying to do to them (or dont adjust…see FYF)

so the way i look at it we traded Feliz and Andrus then some filler (yes im calling Salty filler) for 11/2 months of Texiera and an above avg 1B (kotchman) and relief arm

in hindsight we gave up some guys that are rated pretty high on prospect lists, in Feliz and Andrus… but they are so young, esp ANdrus that no one knows if they will become major league talent. The trade was pretty damn good, for us. We made a trade that fixed a glaring weakness on our team… we had the worst production from our 1B in all of baseball. after the tex trade we had some of the best production. our system is still as strong as ever, and yes it would be stronger if we hadnt made the trade but we also would have been even worse the last two years than we were. and i bet everyone woul dhave been beggin for us to make a trade to improve our team

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 10, 2008 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So Text Heavy

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ya it got a bit wordy on me…sry im a philosophy major..whatcha gonna do

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 10, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Philosophy students unite!

Glad I’m not the only one here.

by BraveBronco0121 on Dec 10, 2008 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Make that three :)

by coldriver10 on Dec 10, 2008 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who would have thought?

by BraveBronco0121 on Dec 10, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Isn’t that like the definition of philosophy?

by someguy917 on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Very nice. You forgot about the 1/2 season of above average relief pitching from Mahay, but other than that very nice.

Also people constantly bitch about trading away Feliz, yet when he was on our team he had never pitched above rookie ball and was considered a 3 star prospect by BP. I believe that he was the last person added to the trade as well. It’s easy for people to complain about it now because he turned out to be very good, but at the time he was the biggest question mark in the deal. He could have easily become a bust (still can), yet people act like he was Pedro in the making back then…which is not true.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 10, 2008 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

absolutely correct and i did forget about Mahay, who turned into a compensatory pick which i beleive was Brett DeVall… so i think everyone can agree thats pretty good or at least it might be

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 10, 2008 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

terrible logic

you are saying that because they didn’t know about feliz, it shouldn’t count against the organization as a bad move. that’s like saying i thought the enemy had WMDs, so my decision to attack was essentially right. Right? NO!!! You evaluate the decision by the outcome, and this was a terrible decision.

by son.of.sourman on Dec 10, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that has got to be the worst analogy ive ever heard in my life… and ur reasoning is completely wrong….you look at a trade u cant just look at the outcome, otherwise you’ll be so concerned about losing a trade because a prospect ends up becoming good, that you’ll never make a trade.

You have to evaluate the trade based off the circumstances in which it was made… otherwise half the trades made are gonna suck…the kotsay trade, the teix trade, and the wainwright trade… i could keep going but i dont think i need to. you trade when a prospect because u think the return will be greater than the final outcome of your prospects.

of course u can say Feliz was a C prospect when we traded him, and thats why the trade wasnt that bad. hindsight did it work out, no…. but we wouldnt even be complaining if our entire pitching staff hadnt gotten hurt and we ended up making the playoffs behind the bat and glove of Teix.

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 10, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

full of half-truths and logical fallacies

“otherwise you’ll be so concerned about losing a trade because a prospect ends up becoming good, that you’ll never make a trade.”
a non sequitur, unrelated my reasoning. Of course, you don’t look at the outcome of a trade before it’s made, because that is unknown. you do look at the expected outcome. but now that we know the outcome, it was most likely a bad trade (we’d have see how feliz, devall turn out to truly know. we do know that the playoffs were not made, and so that goal was not met. and no our “our entire pitching staff” did not get hurt, not even close.

by son.of.sourman on Dec 10, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You sell assets based on their value at the moment which is an average of the entire range of outcomes positive to negative. You do not sell them based on their greatest potential value.

Stop acting like the Feliz of July 2007 was anything like the Feliz of right now, because he had yet to have any success above Rookie ball and had never thrown more than 40 IP in a season. He had a great fastball, but limited command and undeveloped breaking pitches. Those guys flame out at an extremely high rate.

The trade accomplished what it set out to accomplish. Teixeira produced about 15 runs more than the average player would’ve in those last two months; and about 32 runs more than the Thorman/Salty/Franco group would’ve produced.

On August 1st we were a true talent 0.536 W% team. If we had played at that level and added Teixeira to the mix, we should’ve finished the next 55 games 33-22. That’s a final record of 89-73, ie right there with Philly in first place. That trade certainly should’ve put us in the playoffs and actually did improve our true talent to a 0.575 W%. Blame it on terrible luck that we went 28-27 in our last 55 rather than the 32-23 our pythag record should’ve had us at .

The trade looks bad now, but Andrus and Feliz were both much less valuable than they are now last summer. We never would’ve gotten a team to give up value equal to what they could be in 16 months in a rosy scenario.

by 17843 on Dec 10, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you're a smart guy

read what you are writing.

“The trade looks bad now, but Andrus and Feliz were both much less valuable than they are now last summer.”

this is like saying, selling microsoft stocks in 1985 seems bad now, but only because its value has skyrocketed. obviously. listen, it’s clear the rangers got the best of this one. i don’t know if they knew something about feliz or just got really lucky on it, but they got the best of it. let’s move on. here’s the ultimate test of this: knowing what you know now, would you still do the trade?

by son.of.sourman on Dec 11, 2008 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what do u mean…knowing that with Teix we dont make the playoffs either year, or knowing Feliz and Andrus turn out to be as good as they are thoguth to be right now

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 11, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

both

by son.of.sourman on Dec 11, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're evaluating trade the wrong way.

Let’s say the Braves traded Hanson, Heyward, and Freeman for Adam Eaton. This would be the absolute worst trade in the history of baseball. But let’s say Hanson, Heyward, and Freeman all fail to make the big leagues and Adam Eaton pitches like an ace. Does that suddenly make it a good trade? No, it was a horrible trade, but through some otherworldly luck, it turned out good.

You assign values to prospects based on their projections and trade based on that. For simplicity, you can look at it this way: Feliz has a 20% chance to be worth 5 WAR over his time of team control so he’s worth 1 WAR. Andrus has a 40% chance to be worth 5 WAR so he’s 2 WAR. Etc. etc. Then you look at the value Texeira and Mahay add, the value of the probable draft picks, what your playoff chances go up to, revenue from making the playoffs, etc, etc. Typically you’ll see a lot of trades come out pretty even based on those projects.

Yeah, Feliz turned out good, but if you do the trade 5 times, he’s going to flame out 4 times. Everyone loses sometimes so you have to look at all the trades the GM is making and if he’s making good decisions, then the wins will outweigh the losses.

If you want another way to look at it, then how about this. You’re betting $1 on a coin flip. If it’s heads, you lose the dollar. If it’s tails, I pay you $1.10 (and you get your original dollar back). So you bet and it comes up heads so you lose your dollar. But does that make it a bad gamble? Of course not, because if we keep playing that then you’ll come out ahead in the long run. Good GMs may lose sometimes but they come out ahead in the long run.

by VictorW on Dec 11, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You have yet to make a valid point on this site, please stop posting…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+385

by cbwilk on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not completely true

sourman’s problem is that he’s by far the most unpleasent and disagreeable poster, not that he has no valid points.

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 11, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough...

…but his comment in this particular case is asinine.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 11, 2008 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and yet..

you are yet to cogently explain why

by son.of.sourman on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

17843 already summed it up and you still don’t get it, so I’m not going to even bother.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 11, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually he didn't

but don’t bother – i don’t mind

by son.of.sourman on Dec 11, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

here's your hypocrisy

whenever the braves make a great move, you are quick to praise them based on the outcome. for instance, gorkys and jair had good seasons but could have easily been busts. things turned out well, so you praise the management even though there was a lot of chance involved.

but there was still uncertainty related to those guys and if they had turned out bad, you would have said what you did about the tex trade: there is no way they could have known – it was all chance.

i know fans are supposed to be biased, but try to hold your favorite team to the same standards you do other teams, just a little. wins aren’t just attributable to the genius of the management, and losses aren’t just bad luck.

by son.of.sourman on Dec 11, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Arguing about prospects and the trades they are involved in is a tricky situation. Impossible to tell who won the deal until everybody pans out, which can take years.

However, with the Renteria trade we got a 3 star prospect in Jurrjens and a 4 star prospect in Gorkys for a guy who came off the 2nd best season of his career at the age of 32 according to OPS+. Realistically you can’t expect him to be peaking at such a late age, and the fact that he had a BABIP of .375 points to some heavily inflated stats. The fact that Yunel was waiting to step in comes into play as well. That was a move that the Braves pretty much had to make and they were able to get two above average prospects with what seems like a small amount of leverage. Jurrjens had also pitched over 500 innings in the minors and had a cup of coffee too, so he wasn’t a huge gamble. Feliz had thrown 40 innings when we traded him.

I understand what you’re trying to say, but that’s a really poor example to use. I’m re-reading this discussion and I’m not even sure if my comment makes any sense, but I’m leaving work so I guess we’ll pick this back up tomorrow.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 11, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I jizzed myself the middle of the season when I heard we might be trading Renteria

talk about selling high on some BABIP. Gorkys and Jair could have gotten deported and it still would have been a great trade.

by VictorW on Dec 11, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I’ll take that comment as proof that my post was somewhat clear.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 11, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

it wasn’t the best example. but one that came first to mind. the point stands though.

by son.of.sourman on Dec 11, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i’ve been usurped? what the FUCK?

I probably care about sports way too much. Like, waaaaaaaaay too much.

by bigjoe on Dec 11, 2008 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry about that...

You’re still disagreeable and unpleasant at an elite level, so I wouldn’t worry much about it. I mean, it’s like saying Gehrig wasn’t as good as Ruth. Who cares, Gehrig’s still one of the greatest of all time.

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs