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Farewell to Mr. Glass

From ESPN:

Mike Hampton reportedly is returning to the Houston Astros.

Hampton and the Astros reached agreement Monday on a contract pending the free-agent pitcher passing a physical, KRIV-TV in Houston reported on its Web site. Terms were not available.

Astros GM Ed Wade declined to comment. [...]

The contract will pay Hampton a base salary of about $2 million plus incentives, a source said.

Here's hoping he doesn't throw an inning for them.

[Note from gondeee] Choke... he's got to pass a physical... not bloody likely. Why even bother with a physical.

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Why the hate?

- Oh, Bobby. -

by sdp on Dec 1, 2008 4:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why the love?

It’s because he was injured for so long, and now that he’s finally healthy, and the Braves need him, he’s leaving. What a douche bag. I hope he gets booed when the Astros come to Atlanta.

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 1, 2008 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

this

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I don’t know whether or not he’s an a$$hole or not, but if he suddenly finds a way to start 30 games, I will be a bit pissed.
Although it did say he had to pass a physical. That should be entertaining.
Remember people, teach your kids to throw left handed.

by NorCalAtlFan on Dec 1, 2008 4:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

espn says the deal is 2 mil plus incentives – if that’s true, would we really not match that? Hate to jump to conclusions, but it sounds like all that talk about feeling loyalty to the organization and whatnot was just hot air…

by matches on Dec 1, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If that’s correct, I imagine Wren would have matched that. I wouldn’t have complained too much if we had resigned him for those numbers, but the mere thought of his fagile butt in a Braves uniform makes me queasy.

by Rhyno18 on Dec 1, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

2 million? 2 fucking million? he was offered less than what our whackjob headcase former closer is making? jesus CHRIST

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which closer? Wohlers? Rocker? Kolb? Wickman?

by TradeAndruw on Dec 1, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I’m glad to see him go, although I know quite a few people here wanted him back on a 1 year deal. I was terrified he was going to penciled in as our #3 starter.

by Rhyno18 on Dec 1, 2008 4:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He made a bunch of quality starts towards the end of the season, I’d rather have him back than Glavine. Watch him win comeback player of the year in ’09.

by TradeAndruw on Dec 1, 2008 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Doubt it.

by cbwilk on Dec 1, 2008 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Luckily for Hampton

He wouldn’t be the first MLB player to prove his critics wrong. If you truly believe he has no chance of success in this league … you weren’t paying attention during the last quarter of the season. I personally find this upsetting. He felt like he owed us something and he’d have been easy tor resign.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."

by FrankyWren on Dec 1, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m upset he left too, but I doubt he’ll do enough to warrent comeback player of the year. Nevermind that his stats this season might preclude him from even being up for that award. He’ll be a fine 4th starter, nothing else.

by cbwilk on Dec 2, 2008 1:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather have him than Glavine too.

by someguy917 on Dec 1, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good, they can have him back.

I don’t want him, or Glavine back. Glavine was great in his day, but his day has passed. Hampton’s day has passed as well. Let him rot in that hole of a city all he wants.

by TheSportsIdiot on Dec 1, 2008 4:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Quick Scene

Examination Doctor (holding Hampton’s arms): So like… really? Did you really just unscrew your arms and hand them to me?

Hampton: What, no good?

by brndn on Dec 1, 2008 4:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

not sure how he would hand him his arms, but you get the point.

by brndn on Dec 1, 2008 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m sure he would injure himself trying….

by matches on Dec 1, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Promoted to front page, since everyone’s already commenting on it. Sorry bigjoe, I took out your colorful metaphor, but swear away in the comments.

by gondeee on Dec 1, 2008 4:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I MADE THE MAIN PAGE! YES!

lets make this a recurring trent

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

A return to Houston eh? I do wish we had retained him for something like 2 years/6 million + incentives, but I’m not terribly worried. Just another stop on his “let’s see what body part I can’t injure” tour.

by BraveBronco0121 on Dec 1, 2008 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Im sure Wren offered him a 1 year major league contract. Probably around $1M maybe with some incentives maybe not but its hard to believe that Wren didn’t. It wasn’t his fault for all the injuries but the Braves STILL paid his salary for not doin a damn thing. And finally the dude got healthy and leaves. Go rot in Houston you douchebag cause thats all you are to me now. Now i take back every word i said IF the Braves didn’t offer him a MAJOR LEAGUE CONTRACT but i just find it very difficult to imagine that Wren wouldn’t have given him one. This is disgusting.

braves#1

by rockybull on Dec 1, 2008 5:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

if you wanna get technical, the marlins and rockies paid a good bit of his salary…

but the rest of the rant was very well done. solid 8.8/10

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Insurance paid a fine part of it too, but yeah, good rant.

by cbwilk on Dec 2, 2008 1:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Loyalty

Sheet head owed us. Screw his family in Arizona. The money he stole from us for the past few years paid for that pad. He owed us the opportunity to match the offer. He moved for selfish reasons to live closer to his family. He made millions in his absurd contract and gave nothing to Atlanta. He basically sat at his house in Arizona for most of his tenure in Atlanta. The man is a coward and has no loyalty.

He will do fine for the Astros and will be penciled in at No.3. he would have been a No. 4 for us. Screw that guy. His wife has to be on the prowl for him to care that much about being so close to home. Lost all respect for him. don’t care what charity he donates too or whatever. He is not a man.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah i mean, its not like he was rehabbing at all when he was hurt.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You should be ashamed of this post. Unabashedly, completely ashamed. “Screw his family in Arizona”? I am sorry, but that is WAY out of line. Suggesting that his wife is unfaithful? There aren’t words to describe how wrong that is. You have NO IDEA of his situation and for you to sit here and accuse not just Hampton but Hampton’s FAMILY of all kinds of things is entirely inappropriate.

You, sir, are the one who is not a man. I would have to guess that you don’t have a family of your own, because if you did you would understand that a family is the single most important thing in life. Period. No exceptions.

And to suggest that Mike Hampton owed YOU something that he didn’t owe his family is downright wrong. Cut this crap. Now.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

SCREW HAMPTON

I"M ENTITLED TO MY OWN OPINION. I DO HAVE A FAMILY AND I WOULD BE ASHAMED TO SHOW THEM MY FACE.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Apologies, but you are not entitled to your opinion on how Mike Hampton should conduct his family affairs. That is none of your damn business. Period. Your family may work differently, and I respect that. That’s fine, however it works for you. But it is dead wrong for you to tell Mike Hampton how he should run his family. You really think he should give up his valuable time with them for YOU? Please. That is time he can never get back, and it’s horrible for you to suggest that he should sacrifice that to do what Charmin519 wants.

Beyond that, there’s a whole different question of what he even did that he should be ashamed of, but the main point here is that you have no right to speculate on his private life. None whatsoever. So quit.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Are you Mike Hampton?

Are you related to him? This board is about speculation and a community of braves fan. As a fan I was upset that he left. You have taken this entire thing to far. You are acting as if I have attacked your family and it is absurd. Please for the sake of this post calm down. I’m sure his family is great but I don’t have to like his decision. Hampton doesn’t care what my opinion is so neither should you.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no relation whatsoever to Mike Hampton. Never met the man in my life. This board is most definitely a board about speculation and a community of Braves fans. What you’re doing criticizing his family and his character violates the boundaries of that community. We are here to talk baseball, not to pass judgment on other human beings. And stick your head in the sand all you like, that’s what you were doing.

I’ll take this as far as I want to in order to maintain that standard. You have not attacked my family, and I made no claim that you had. I can defend him and his family to whatever extent I choose. The idea that his family is “great” is an entirely new one to your discourse here. Just a few minutes ago, you were saying “Screw his family” and “his wife is cheating on him.” Excuse me if I miss how that’s a “great” family.

You are upset that he left…fine. So say that. “I wish he hadn’t left because X, Y and Z.” That’s fine. Wouldn’t have initiated any comment from me. But that’s not what you said and you know it.

That last sentence (“Hampton doesn’t care what my opinion is so neither should you.”) is the worst logical fallacy ever. No one besides us cares about anything we talk about here. We talk because we want to. We aren’t affecting anyone’s decisions anywhere, and just because Hampton doesn’t care says nothing about whether I should care. Once again, you’re trying to tell someone (in this case me) what I should and shouldn’t care about…that’s my business, and not yours.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You for your thoughts of wisdom.

I will tuck them away for future reference. Please enlighten me on politics, world peace, which religion is right, and who the braves will sign this off season. Thank You and I wish you the best.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not claiming to know what is right, only what is wrong. I don’t know what political opinion or religion is right, but I do know it’s wrong for you to tell someone else how they should conduct their family affairs. You wouldn’t like it if Mike Hampton told you how to treat your wife, so leave off his.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 7:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care

Let’s talk some baseball. What does Wren do now.?? Do you not detect the sarcasm in the earlier post. Your rambling doesn’t mean anything to me. Your idea of moral ideology is boring me. I don’t care.

Here’s hoping for Burnett and his nipple rings.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is this Opera?

Screw Mike Hampton. Thank God he is gone. What a waste

by dabraves on Dec 6, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i love you more than i love mike hampton

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 7:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You sir, and I use the term lightly, are the MOST pathetic excuse for a human being I have ever had the dissatisfaction of reading from. You come on this reader board as a newby and completely ignore all etiquette. Then you start preaching about how much money you make, how many insiders your know in Tampa, educating us on religion and polictics and now insult a man’s family for nothing more than making you upset because he didn’t do what you wanted him to.

Who the fuck are you to even have the priviledge of mentioning Mike Hamptons name, much less make accusations about his family. That is low life scum material and quite frankly I’m appaled at the very thought of you sharing the very air we breathe.

Piss off punk!

by scstrato on Dec 1, 2008 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing

Absolutely amazing…………………Please keep holding on to your grudge. I never preached as well. It was completely a misunderstanding and Big Joe and myself even apologized afterwards. I’m so sorry you get so offended. Walking on egg shells around here.

 If you want a boring site where no one tells it like they see it then please go to the DRaysBay site. There you will find pulse killing conversations. Please get over it. I’m sorry I even made that outlandish comment. Who cares, it’s not fact or anything. I don’t like Hampton and I let it be known. Notice that I make no personal attacks towards you. I respect your opinion. I understand it and know many people who would think and say the same thing. If you said it to my face, I would simply smile and walk away. I guess that’s what punks do.

Hope Wren deals with the multiple personalities he faces and turns this offseason into something special. Go Braves!!!!!!

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

…i apologized?

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm ...

This is supposed to be a moderately wholesome blog. So while you may not like what’s he’s saying, he wasn’t anywhere near as profane as you are in this post.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."

by FrankyWren on Dec 1, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Profane? Maybe not

Morally and Ethically challenged? Absolutely! You must have missed the 50 something posts from this individual in ten minutes that caused another fanpost to be deleted. Believe me it was a spectacle to behold. Yes, he deserved every bit of my venom and then some. Regardless I’ll admit I could have chosen some of my words better.

by scstrato on Dec 1, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

50 something posts

Those post did exactly what I intended. It create a presence immediately within your community. I will admit that it was not tactful at all. I apologized to many who I was arguing with about my comments. It was very easily five to one in that post and it was obvious that all five were frequent visitors of this great blog. I immediately went on the offensive and argued bias logic with pure chaos. That is the only way to defeat logic. Logic can be argued but chaos is unattainable. I truly think that you took my comment quite literally when it was not intended to be such. It was a comment out of frustration to an era of Braves baseball that I believe Hampton contributed too. Obviously, his role was not intentional but it was relevant.

You might not like my attitude or demeanor but such is life and we can both agree on that. In no way shape or form do I think I jeopardized my moral standards by taking a cheap shot jab at Hampton. If you are a figure of the public then you are subject to their approval and taunting.

I don’t think your words were too bad. I think the beatles said this in a song, “Let it Be”. Go braves and I look forward to much more baseball oriented conversations in the future.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 11:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

What they did was reveal your true self. See the problem is you ACTUALLY believe your own BS. You did not apologize in the aforementioned post, you resorted to childsihtrollish behavior because you were proven wrong and you had no where to go. Yes, I took your comment quite literal as it was clearly intended to be. There were no snippets of sarcasm or humor to prove otherwise. Its easy to “reverse course” once you’ve been told the error in your ways – unfortunately you have no moral compass to prevent you from making an ass of yourself in the first place.

“You might not like my attitude or demeanor but such is life ", no such is NOT life. That’s how people with no ethics or morals act and talk – to dismiss it as a given is human-less and pathetic. I could almost accept an explanation of this being the responses of a youth falling for the "the internet is anonymous” syndrome, but your claiming to be an adult makes it all the more worse.

Why are you looking for MORE baseball related debates? You have yet to keep any comment of yours on point or baseball related. I’m starting to wonder if you’re even capable of it.

No, no thanks. I have had enough TP for this lifetime.

by scstrato on Dec 1, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Bitterness and anger is not healthy. Nothing I said was BS. The comment was not literal and your big words do not hide your ignorance or bias towards me or anyone with a different opinion. Once again, it was not literal and you simply stating that it was does not make it such. Even if it was it, (which it wasn’t) in no way shape or form did those comments conflict with my moral compass.

The fact that you continue to attack my ethical and moral standards based on comments again shows your complete one sided point of view. You have continued to attack my moral and ethical standards based upon comments that were much less profane to Hampton. You have also made the comments directly too me and have called my character as an individual into question. Yet, somehow because you believe you are protecting the innocent you believe that it’s your right to inflict the same rhetoric. If I’m wrong then what gives you the right to commit the same fallacy.

Personalities have contrasted since history has been written yet you believe my comment, “such is life”, is human-less and pathetic. (Once again your comments contain much more TRUE hatred and malice towards me as an individual than my comments dared). Why is it human-less to understand that people have different takes on life? Why is it pathetic to objectively understand that not all people think a like and are entitled to portray their thoughts without fear of retribution.

I’m looking for baseball related debates because that is how we all arrived at this blog. Maybe topics get off course sometimes but so does life and you can’t argue that. Once again, it’s apparent that my comment offended you and that was not my intention. I will not be responding to your comments anymore after this. I wish you well in your future endeavors.

by Charmin519 on Dec 2, 2008 12:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are a piece of work

I’m bitter and angry? What was that filth you posted that started all of this? You can hide behind your “aw, I was just joking” bs all you want, your beliefs show in every comment you make.

Who in their right mind wouldn’t attack your standards after what you wrote? Malice? What part of my comment(s) show where I wished you harm?

This isn’t a question of personalities. Yes personalities, opinions, beliefs … all of these have contrasted in people forever – but that has nothing to do with this situation. This is a question of right and wrong, i’m sorry that you can’t see that. It makes me sad.

And for the record, I have no problem with someone who has differing opinions than me. My problem is with those who feel that because they are a fan of a team or have paid a buck to see someone play that they have the right to treat those players as if they’re somehow less than human. Even worse are those who maliciously attack people (in this case Hampton and his family) while hiding behind the false anonymity of the internet and then don’t even have the backbone to stand behind their comments when they’re questioned.

by scstrato on Dec 2, 2008 1:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once again

I disagree with you and have frequently tried to end this. I disagree with you and that is it. Religion is dying because of people like you who find it there place to jam shit down peoples throat. You have continued to jam, jam, jam your thoughts as if somehow I would go to sleep wake up and go “OMG I have no morals because I made an angry comment about hampton and his family.”

I stand behind my comments 100%. Hampton sucks dick because of his disloyalty to the braves. He made a decision based on his family which is fine. I would have told my family that I owed the braves and I wanted to go back and finish what I started. Hampton did not and thats his choice. Instead of flying from Houston to AZ he will fly from ATL to AZ. In any case it doesn’t matter. Fuck Hampton and if I get the chance I’ll fuck his wife just so I can post about it just to piss you off. Fuck you and the pulpit you stand behind. I would rather stand with the devil himself than share a corner of heaven with your righteous ass. Fuck Hampton, Fuck is family, Fuck Arizona, Fuck his wife, and Fuck you. Good Day Sir.

by Charmin519 on Dec 2, 2008 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i am without words, and i think that is a first.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now I’m the dick because the guy kept on and I finally told him to fuck off. Pa-leaseeeeeeeeeee. They guy is in on an agenda. If you read the threads I always defended myself from personal attacking words and defended my comment. He continued on and even after I basically said, “Let it be”, more came. Not only more but he then started to attack AGAIN. I once again defended myself and said let’s move on. Every post of mine was within reason until the last. Finally, I stooped to his level and sent intentional and attacking words to him. I had enough of his rhetoric and made it clear. Fuck that guy and his preaching bullshit.

by Charmin519 on Dec 2, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, you were the dick to begin with

You defend yourself from personal attack (HA!) but yet you personally attack others. Forgive me my almighty King for I have mistakenly treated you as you’ve treated others.

My only agenda was to expose you for what you are. Thankfully you’ve proven my points in abundance.

And for the record, religion isn’t dying. It is developing a bad name though because people like yourself with your phony personas claim to be religious.

by scstrato on Dec 2, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you’ve had an agenda (which is to be a total dick waving asshole) since day one. you got immediately called on it (by yours truly), and since then, you’ve been ramping it up even more, but now, NO ONE is dealing with it. good work, slick!

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so.....

does this mean you don’t love me anymore and you do want me to change or was that post for scstrato?

by Charmin519 on Dec 2, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i know how to respond to posts. look at who i responded to, and do the math

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 8:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Charmin519 – One of these days you’ll get the point, that you should tone it down. Attacking someone personally is the act of someone who has no leg to stand on in the original argument. And if someone else does it to you, don’t get sucked into doing it right back; stay above the fray.

Also, tone down the f-bombs. Too many and they lose their luster. Too-too many and you may find yourself banned.

scstrato – No religious talk. Period. On this, we will not argue.

by gondeee on Dec 2, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Understood

It won’t happen again.

by scstrato on Dec 2, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks guys… I appreciate you both being reasonable.

by gondeee on Dec 2, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, People...

I’ll never get the hatred of Mike Hampton. The truth is, he made 85 starts (decent overall performance-wise) in a Braves uniform for 509 innings pitched. For that, we paid the grand total of 6/$42M ($7M/year). It was a bad contract, but certainly not a crippling one. He was hurt, but he never gave up. His teammates don’t hate him and neither does our management, so why should you? I love how people pretend to know that we offered him something equal to what the Astros did and that he must have turned us down for no other reason than his being a complete prick. All I know is that Wren confirmed that he was in touch with him, so I’m sure he’s an Astro because we didn’t match their offer. And honestly, take a look at these comments and ask yourself: if you were him, would you really want to pitch for this fanbase? I’m happy for him and I wish him all the best. Mr. Glass has a lot more class than many of his detractors.

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Dec 1, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What have you done for me lately???????

He has done nothing for us to wish him a fond farewell. He didn’t earn the respect of any braves fan. He showed no class by coming back this year. His contract was up and if he didn’t pitch the final months then he would be making less than a million a year if that. He didn’t try to pitch for us. he pitched for his career. He would have been a No. 4 starter. It’s not a huge loss to the braves. It’s the principal of the matter.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i love you more and more each day. NEVER CHANGE

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He cost $42M + 2 relief (I think) pitching prospects

Prospects that Florida valued at $23M + the ridding themselves of the awful contract. And don’t forget inflation. The contract was crippling because it was backloaded. The Braves were paying over $14M a year over the last 3 years, making him the highest paid Brave while warming the bench for 3 years.

People are pissed off over this singing because one of either two things happened:
1. Wren didn’t match $2M + $2M in incentives, which would be pretty boneheaded since the Braves need pitching.
2. Hampton didn’t take a matching offer from the Braves.

It’s certainly a lot easier (and more comforting) to assume the player is a jerk than assume the GM is shortsighted. You really shouldn’t knock the fanbase for being passionate though.

And I think that you forget that there’s move Braves fans in attendance than Astros fans whenever the Braves go to the Minute Maid Park.

by VictorW on Dec 1, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Insurance.

When he was hurt, his salary was covered by insurance.

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Dec 1, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t hate Hampton. I think he’s a douche if he was offered a similar contract from the Braves and still went to Houston. Regardless of how hard he re-habbed, he was still paid handsomely while unable to perform. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for him to give the Braves the right to match an offer, or even a slightly lesser offer for one season. It’s only one season, and he doesn’t need the money. Now, if no offer was made, or if the Braves only offered him a minor league contract, then I take it all back. But all things being equal, this is a real douche bag move on Hampton’s part.

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 1, 2008 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What pisses me off the most.....

Is that you know he’s gonna pitch 190 innings have a 13+ win season with a decent whip. You know it’s going to happen.

Tazawa was bad this is not nearly at that level. It’s the principal of the matter. If Hampton called wren told him about the offer and we declined then I will look like an a$$ but does anyone think that his spineless vaginal face dare show up to Wren and ask for more money. Coward. Cowards are weak and useless to society. Maybe evolution will take care of his blood line.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

how was tazawa bad? seriously.

and you clearly don’t know what mike hampton does, he never has a good WHIP. ever.

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by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well it wasn't horrible

but I think it was worse than not signing Hampton again. He had upside for little money. Might never make it to the bigs but Hampton might fall over and die tomorrow. If I had to bet I would take Tazawa.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if hampton dies, how can he sign his paychecks?

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So we can't even rip on Hampton now?

This is sports, and the guy has been worthless to the team. Who gives a crap about how hard he tried, he is rewarded rather handsomely for his efforts.

Us Redskins fans are ready to bench Jason Campbell after a few bad games, it’s the way of sports. You don’t perform, you get skewered. I don’t think Hampton cries about taking abuse from the fanbase when he goes home to his 100+ million.

by TradeAndruw on Dec 1, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i benched jason campbell in fantasy!

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by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Abuse his performance all you want. He sucked. He was a worthless use of our valuable money. I’m on board with that.

Stay away from his family and his decision to move closer to them. That’s admirable, not detestable.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 6:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly. So leave them out of the discussion. His performance on the baseball field is your “problem,” so confine your criticism to that.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

GET OVER IT

Your making way more out of this than is needed. I’m sure his family is great. His excuse was lame.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mouth ≠ Fingers, so no you can't rip on Hampton without reprecussion

What words come out of our mouths are usually the things that we spout off in bars, live games, and the company of other sports fans.

What words come out of our fingers does not translate similarly.

In person, you can’t back up your statements with links to articles, and copied and pasted lines from baseball-reference.com. Believe me, it’s not worth it, because I’ve tried to before, and it’s a pain in the ass and makes you look like a tool when you pull out your smart phone and try to do so. It will almost always be your opinion vs. others’. And since emotion and tone can be achieved through verbal communications, we can say a wider variety of things, from the intellectual to the vulgar, with secondary tones, without real worry of pissing everyone off (badly).

Online, that luxury is null. Now it’s your opinion vs. others’ + verifiable facts. There are enough stupid people in the world away from computers, so why does an online community need them as well? I believe that intelligence is respectable, which is why there are aspirations to have intellectual debates. There is no need for emotion, poise, or tone if the facts are enlightening, thought-provoking, conversation-stimulating, and not too outlandish.

Bottom line, be careful who you rip in text. At a game in person, rip Hampton, rip Chipper, rip Francoeur all you want; I could care less. I’ve said similarly, but have learned the hard way to refrain from such in text (I’ll just stick to the smarmy comments that don’t rip players and/or their families, but pertain to pop culture references, video games, and hot women). Hell, the shit that bigjoe and I BS’d about Braves players last season could have caused several “back up your claims” moments online. Because as long as the Braves win in the end, you’ll forgive until the next time around. But online, you’ll just sound kind of dumb, and there will be a record of your comments until the thread dies and/or the moderator decides to delete it.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 2, 2008 9:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Words of Wisdom

Reading your thread makes me feel like an ass. Reading the other guy’s makes me want to send hate mail for shits and giggles. You make a very good point about verbal communication and text. Words are powerful and this fanpost is evidence of it. Words of Wisdom that I hear very clearly.

by Charmin519 on Dec 2, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so wise… like a miniature buddha…covered in hair….not wuite sure about the last ttwo but the first one is true

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 2, 2008 6:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amen......

You make millions you deserve to get it when you suck. You don’t like it then stop sucking. Look at Donovan McNabb the guy does everything and he gets it every week.

Look at Phillip Fulmer for the Vols this year. He has his second losing season in 17 years and he’s out.

Look at Derek Anderson with the browns. He starts off bad and done. He won’t be a brown next year. He just signed a contract this year.

Look at Wood with the Cubs. Not worth it anymore done your gone. It was a nice ride.
Hope you suck somewhere else.

A-Rod every day. If he didn’t walk the walk then he would be gone.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

kerry wood wants 10 million a year, and the cubs have a ready made closer in their bullpen. absolutely horrible example.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guess who decided to pay Mike Hampton “millions”? YOU DID. By going to the games and watching on TV and buying merchandise, YOU decided Mike Hampton’s salary. Any money that you pay to enjoy the game is going to wind up in the hands of the players and the coaches…there is no way around that. So if you don’t like what athletes are paid, you’d best stop watching now.

No one’s insulting Phillip Fullmer’s family. He’s getting fired, just like poor performers at any job get fired. Same with Anderson. Browns aren’t happy with him, they can trade him or whatever. Wood, he’s not under contract to the Cubs, and they don’t want him back. Nothing wrong with that.

Mike Hampton has fulfilled his contractual obligations to the Atlanta Braves, and he is now choosing to go elsewhere, and that is perfectly within his rights. You should “get it” when you suck, no matter how much money you make.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MONEY IS NOT THE PROBLEM

THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT THE FANBASE WAS HORRIBLE TO HIM AND THAT THE MONEY COMPENSATED THAT. GET OFF YOUR HORSE.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please stop framing this as the idiotic “athletes make too much money” spiel. Hampton contributed waaaay less than he was paid during his tenure in ATL. Yes, it was injury rather than a lack of will. So what? He has been a detriment to the team, and I’m glad to see him gone. I have no idea why people are getting defensive about this.

by TradeAndruw on Dec 1, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m fine that you’re glad to see him gone. I have no problem with that. Mr. Bathroom Tissue’s diatribe here extends far beyond wanting to see him out of Atlanta, and I react against that. I see no need to defend Hampton from a playing standpoint, but I will not stand by and watch people presume to criticize his character.

by tgthree on Dec 1, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oops, I thought “Sheet-Head” was talking about Ben Sheets. I agree, the swipe on Hampton’s family was dumb, just went back and read the entire thread. Not defending Charmin on that one.

by TradeAndruw on Dec 1, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It probably was dumb

Might have got out of hand. I do like Sheets for a 3 yr deal if we can swing it.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 8:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can we agree to disagree

and move on. I’m sorry that this offended you and the other guy. That wasn’t my intention and I think we both know that. However, I’m not going to sit here and let you tell me about life like I’m your child. Sorry but I don’t fucking care about your moral feelings about it. If your looking for an apology DAD your not going to get it.

 I RESPECT YOUR THOUGHTS. I SEE WHAT YOUR SAYING. You say up I say down. I get it. I see your point and so does everyone else.

Lets talk some baseball.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

big joe

you are worse than my wife. Yes, you are right. Thanks for keeping it real. lol

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why are people defending his family?

Think about it, some woman made the decision to marry Mike Hampton. That’s awful. And he might be creating Junior Glass, who one day will show promise, get the biggest contract possible, and then sit on his ass and not pitch again until his contract year.

by MattDiazFanClub on Dec 1, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

dont do it

Don’t do it. You can feel the Punk hate in their writing.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 8:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

“MattDiazFanClub” your name is not a good moniker to defend an underperforming Brave.

I think we will all agree that Hampton will not be missed. I still can’t believe the level of apologism he is receiving. I wish him nothing but the continued failure he has shown us over the years.

by TradeAndruw on Dec 1, 2008 8:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff

man, I really enjoyed reading Charmin519’s posts along with a few other. Way to keep me entertained fellas.

As for Hampton, he doesn’t owe the Braves anything. He got hurt and that was out of his control. Now if he’d gotten hurt for stupid reasons similar to Monta Ellis of the Warriors, then I’d say Hampton owed the Braves at least a full year at a discount rate.

I’m glad he isn’t a Brave any longer. I never liked him as a pitcher and think he is terribly overrated.

We are on the verge of a new era for the Braves, and I for one am very excited for what’s to come. Let’s just hope that all the talent in the minors pan out and don’t turn out to be like Frenchy.

by Sparhawk on Dec 1, 2008 8:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I did lose a lot of respect for him.

I really expected him to take a pay cut and play for us for one year, then pursue options elsewhere, or if he performs well, we sign him on for more time. I didn’t have real high expectations, but I did expect him to come back out of respect, but this reactions baffles me.

by someguy917 on Dec 1, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He is taking a pay-cut regardless of who he plays for

That’s what is so irritating. It’s not like anyone is pissed off about him taking a $15 mil contract from Houston instead of a minor league contract with Atlanta. Both contracts would be major discounts compared to last year’s deal. So all things being equal, this is a real classless move on his part.

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 2, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In all seriousness...

There was no reason to expect Hampton to take a pay cut out of a sense of loyalty. His years are winding down, and with his prior injury history, he needed to get as much as possible out of the leagues before he can no longer pitch. Also, he probably feels that he has a better chance at wins with the Astros than he does stop-gaping for a year with the Braves, giving him better opportunities further down the line.

As a fan: Screw him and his little dog too.

by MattDiazFanClub on Dec 1, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's where it all started

I thought he would sign with us too. I was some kind of pissed off when I heard he didn’t. Your right though, I didn’t expect much either but I did feel like he would come back.

What I’m about to say is crazy talk and possibly just plain stupid…………….but

I started to feel like I could count on him. As if somehow we could count on him to come back start as our No. 4 and help out for a season while our young crop matured.

Here’s hoping we can sign someone with upside for cheap. Maybe Randy Johnson.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 8:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

thank you all for ruining my first post to get onto the main page.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 8:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, you do get the prize for the best….this is the funniest one of the bunch, and that’s really saying something!

by secondbass on Dec 1, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Talladega Nights

This post is awesome. The arguments and overall winners are just like in Talladega Nights. It’s like Ricky Bobby vs. Borat the whole time, but in the end, it’s Dewey Cox that was the last guy to crash and not get disqualified that ends up the winner.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 2, 2008 9:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a classic thread, at least there’s that. Plus you’ve made it to 100 comments – congrads!

by VegasAces on Dec 2, 2008 9:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your post has been like.............

Hampton’s Career. It’s started off pretty good. Then you get moved to the big times. Things are steady for awhile then chaos sets in. Just when you think it’s over and your getting back on track………BAM………..out of know where another blast from the past pops up and starts again. Now people are getting annoyed. It’s a little to much and then at the end it starts to become civilized again. LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. It looks good and it gets a little smoother at the end. Now all we need is Gondee to completely move it off the board and Hampton’s Braves Career to date has been masterfully depicted in your post. Quite possibly the greatest post ever.

by Charmin519 on Dec 1, 2008 8:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

According to the AJC the Braves offered more than the Astros. Weak Mike.

by someguy917 on Dec 1, 2008 8:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

why, because he made a decision based off his family rather than money?

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s about respect.

by someguy917 on Dec 1, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

if anything, i respect him more for saying its not about the money

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 1, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Depleted rotation plus two years of nearly no playing, should mean you take the contract for the team that needs you. Especially when they are offering more, a sign they need you, and that you took money from them and gave nothing in return. The way I was raised, I could never do this.

by someguy917 on Dec 1, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he just doesn’t like atlanta. its not like he VOLUNTARILY CAME

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hear he’s not a fan of the school system…

by matches on Dec 2, 2008 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ahahahahah SOUTHERN EDUCATION!

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't his wife and kids in AZ?

Isn’t that what all the fuss is about?

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 2, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The way I was raised, loyalty to family comes before loyalty to any employer.

I’m just sayin’…

by VegasAces on Dec 2, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HIS FAMILY?!

How much longer is the flight between Atlanta and AZ and Texas and AZ?

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."

by FrankyWren on Dec 1, 2008 10:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!

I’m sure his wife and children are really going to get so much more from that extra hour.

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 2, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

87 responses in just a few hours. Shows you how many people are checking this board regularly.

It’s easy to understand why people’s passions are aroused because of the negligible ROI on Hampton’s huge initial deal. But injuries could happen to anyone, and by all accounts this is a determined athelete respected by his teammates who was very frustrated by sitting on the bench all those years.

Our anger should be directed at those who give out crazy contracts like Hampton’s in the first place. In this case, the Braves just scavenged someone else’s excess. The results just illustrate that even those who help bail out a reckless, bad deal can also pay a stiff price. (Washington, take notice, and I don’t mean the Nationals.)

by JimK on Dec 1, 2008 11:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why hate Hampton?

It takes two (or more) parties to make a contract. Hating him is like hating the auto workers because GM is stupid enough to give them so much. Most people in Hampton’s position would have done the same thing he did. Because he is so fragile, I really don’t think FW had big plans for him anyway; I say bring on some youth and give them a shot — JJ did well in his first full season, so who knows what we have in the minors until you give them a shot?

by BBFAN46 on Dec 2, 2008 7:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Auto workers get paid about $15 per hour

The average baseball player makes about $1500 per hour ($7200 per hour for Hampton last year)…bad comparison.

by buzzdeadwax on Dec 2, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pay attention...

the reference was to contracts in general, not the value of them. And, I’m not sure where you got your $15 per hour figure, but it’s not accurate. GM values the benefits alone at that much, before you add in the hourly wage.

by BBFAN46 on Dec 3, 2008 8:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always thought...

…he was a shifty-looking little fellow.

by sddbaker on Dec 2, 2008 11:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The “z” command works pretty well in these cases.

by VegasAces on Dec 2, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can also use end

I was just trying to show many comments there are on this topic, pretty impressive, although a lot are like this one, and completely off topic.

by someguy917 on Dec 2, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wait

Z is amazing. Aren’t I a noob. Thanks.

by someguy917 on Dec 2, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap “z” is amazing… i feel enlightened

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 2, 2008 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i discovered it by accident one day, and i adore it so much now…AND YOU WERE ABLE TO CLICK TO THIS POST AT THE BOTTOM OF THE THREAD WITH ONE CLICK! isn’t it great?

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 6:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It definitely kicks sliced bread’s ass.

by someguy917 on Dec 2, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, z is awesome. Thanks everyone!

by cbwilk on Dec 3, 2008 2:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I’m so tired of Carlos Zambrano.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 3, 2008 8:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whoa whoa whoa… lets not start hatin on sliced bread i had some today still as good as it always has been

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 3, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There was dick waving?

and I missed it.
Oh well, it wasn’t the good kind anyway. ;)

Go Z, stomp sliced bread’s ass!

by Lizziebeth on Dec 2, 2008 8:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, it didn’t involve me. hahahaha

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Dec 2, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

believe me...

…you didn’t miss much….

by sddbaker on Dec 4, 2008 9:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

anyone know what the record for most posts in a thread is on this board (cant include open game threads)

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 3, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It also can’t include arguing, gondeee’s alcoholism, Mark Kotsay’s wife, or other non-baseball topics. But where’s the fun in that?

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Dec 3, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

do we have any posts that dont include those topics?

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 3, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of wives...

apparently the wife of new Tennessee coach Lane Kiffin is causing quite a stir here in the Volunteer State.

by sddbaker on Dec 4, 2008 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

now i dont quite feel comfortable showing pictures of hot ladies while they are with their kids but this is the best i could find

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Dec 4, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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