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D'Backs Interested in Kelly Johnson; Padres want Yunel Escobar

From the Arizona Republic:

As for the second base choices, it seems to me like Atlanta’s Kelly Johnson would be the best option but will also cost a lot in trade and, eventually, salary, in the next few years.

The Diamondbacks don’t match up well with the Braves, so they would have to find a third team to get involved. But even then, it would be a complicated exchange because the Diamondbacks don’t have a ton of major league-ready pieces they can flip for an outfielder, which is what Atlanta needs. Miguel Montero’s a good player, but does he fetch you starting outfielder? Probably not.

And anyway, if Yunel Escobar gets moved – the rumor we heard this morning was Jake Peavy for Escobar, Gorkys Hernandez and a young pitcher not named Tommy Hanson – then that means Johnson’s off the market.

This is really just an Arizona beat writer speculating in his blog, but this isn't the first time I've heard that the Diamondbacks might have interest in Kelly Johnson. I think we'll hear a lot of these rumors (provided someone else in the middle infield doesn't get traded first) since most teams know that Johnson is the Braves most likely trade piece.

I also like the package he puts forward as the price for Peavy a lot better than the ones I have been hearing. Gorkys is further away from the majors than Jordan Schafer, and I think Schafer is going to become a key player for us next season. The "other pitcher not named Tommy Hanson" has been rumored to be Jeff Locke. While it would be a loss to lose Locke, it would not be catasrphoic, and again, he's further away from the majors and not likely to impact any team for another two years.

Over at Fox, Ken Rosenthal has a different idea about who might be included by the Braves in a Jake Peavy deal:

The Braves' package includes shortstop Yunel Escobar, either left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes or right-hander Charlie Morton and a third player, believed to be a top prospect, sources said.

I'm pretty okay with letting either Jo-Jo or Charlie go, though I'd probably prefer to keep Charlie; and Jo-Jo seems like a better fit in SoCal. It still looks like Escobar is the centerpiece of this trade on the Braves side. Who the hell's going to play shortstop? Do they really think Omar Infante can be an effective everyday guy?

In other news, the Phillies might have some interest in Japanese pitcher Junichi Tazawa, but nothing formal has been offered, and the Braves remain the only team yet to have made him an offer.

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I'm ok with this Peavy package

I hate to lose Escobar, but you gotta give something to get something. I also am in favor of trading Gorkys over Schafer, and JoJo over Morton. I just wish this deal would get done, i’m ready to move forward. All the false rumors and poor speculation have worn me down.

by 10-4 on Nov 7, 2008 9:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d assume Lillibridge would get first crack at SS barring another trade or FA acquisition. I’d be okay with that if the rest of the lineup is improved – not so much if we’ve still got Blanderson in CF, Frenchy’s corpse in RF, and Diaz in LF, though.

by matches on Nov 7, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Of the three OFs you mentioned, I would bet Frenchy is the only one on the opening day roster, maybe not even him. I could live with Derek Lillibridge platooning at short.

by TradeAndruw on Nov 7, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think...

If these names are true and is the magnitude of what they’re looking for, I would like to see a package of either Escobar, Gorkys, JoJo, and Locke; Or Johnson, Schafer, Morton, and Locke, with the second being much more preferrable since we’re not trading Escobar.

But above all I want to see a conclusion to this, whatever it may be.

by soup du jour on Nov 7, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i can’t believe they would trade such a top notch young SS like Escobar. I just don’t see Lillibridge as an answer.

by dwbrave on Nov 7, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Your new SS

is Brent Lillibridge who is a better defender than Escobar is now anyways.

by Grecco on Nov 7, 2008 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He is?

…um Escobar was the second best defensive shortstop in the Majors in 2008. So unless you know something I don’t , then Lillibridge is going to have some big shoes to fill.

by RainDelay on Nov 7, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Funny thing...

…I’m in the middle of a season of MLB08 the Show, doing the “Road To the Show” and in 2011 Kelly Johnson is batting lead off with the DBacks, with Andruw batting cleanup. Worthless I know, but I thought it kinda funny after seeing this.

by RainDelay on Nov 7, 2008 1:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I hate doing this. But if for some reason we keep Escobar, does anyone think a trade of Kelly for Nick Swisher makes sense? I understand he batted .219, but had a ridiculously low BABIP – which would make one think that he will improve next year (if you buy into BABIP being tied to luck), and he still had decent power numbers and OBP. Maybe if the Braves could get the Sox to throw in a prospect or pick up some of the cost of Swisher’s deal? They do have the need for a 2B if they are moving Alexi to SS.
Just a thought.

by Hizilla on Nov 7, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

White Sox would need a second basemen your right. I would ask for Jermaine Dye though, not Swisher. I really hope we DO NOT get Peavy.

by SayHeyWerd on Nov 7, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why not platoon

Here is a possibility: If Escobar is traded, start Lillibridge with Infante available as needed. And at second base, I would platoon Infante (who was a proven starter in 2004 with the Tigers) and Prado (who can also see PT at 1st and 3rd…
That would leave Kelly Johnson. I would start him in left field.
I think since Infante and Prado are still pretty young (27 and 25 next year) and seem to have each others backs as Venezuelan countrymen they would push each other to excel. They also have something to prove, that they are better than “utility” players. I think they are.
And if Lillibridge is as strong a defensive player as people say, the Braves could deal with the loss in offense.
Meanwhile, is there any chance to reacquire Edgar Renteria as a stop-gap?

by Linedrive Larry on Nov 7, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rent, who I liked in his time here – shouldn’t even be considered. He’s aging horribly, he’s lost his range and at a premium defensive position it’s not worth the runs he would give up, for the runs he may (or may not) produce at the plate.

by RainDelay on Nov 7, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i know lilli is supposed to be pretty good with the glove, however as has been mentioned Yunel was the 2nd best SS defensively in basebal this year, thats pretty good. I dont think anyone believes that Lilli is a better hitter than Yunel. SO for Lilli’s defense to balance out the loss in offense his defense would need to be nothing short of perfect, which isnt going to happen.

Also, the team you have on the field would have troubel winning 65 games, i think. Theres no improvement offensively, as a matter of fact we regressed a little in my estimation. Our OF still is one of the weakest in baseball, our stregth the middle infield has been broken up (KJ is in the OF), and Chipper got a year older. We got a Ace pitcher (i assume thats who Yunie was traded for). Our bench is drastically weaker, and honestly that may have been one of our strengths last year.

I am a huge Renteria fan, ive always loved his approach to hitting and him as a player, but his time seems to have passed. My friend and I joke he is one of the guys who doctored his birth certificate, he seems like he is much older (does anyone honestly think he is 33 years old). thats despite the point, he defense is a liability and his offense (according to this past year’s performance) has declined dramatically, meaning he wouldnt help us enough to warrant the contract he will surely receive.

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by Swo12bv on Nov 7, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don;t need peavy

why do we really need peavy ? Its not like by giving up 3 good prospects we get him for free. Yunnel is amazin at short if he leaves what lilli or what would kj move back to ss thats what he was drafted as. Its a tought decision but i would rather pick up 2 starters and an of through free agency

by atlbravesfn12 on Nov 7, 2008 8:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Prado

Why is there no talk about trading prado?

by atlbravesfn12 on Nov 7, 2008 8:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Because..

…he has little to know trade value. He’s a role player, nothing more nothing less. You could trade him for spare parts.

by RainDelay on Nov 7, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

maybe he is young and new to the mlb but i think scouts from other teams know what he has and could be used in a deal

by atlbravesfn12 on Nov 7, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe wren can get kevin towers really, really drunk one night, and somehow convince him that prado is THE ANSWER for the padres.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Nov 7, 2008 8:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

yeah that would work i just hate to see our system weaken from another trade

by atlbravesfn12 on Nov 7, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ugghh! Sorry man, but this is a ridiculous argument. Remember last year when we traded a shit ton of prospects for Teixeira? Everybody screaming about weakening our system. Guess what … our system is stronger now than it was then. And I would venture a guess that it’ll be just as strong next year even after we trade off more unproven prospects.

Bottom line, this is how Major League baseball works. Teams trade unproven prospects for proven veterans when they have a need. It ain’t going to change no matter how many prospect homers cry bloody foul. Someone IS going to be traded for something, it’s about as guaranteed as life itself.

by scstrato on Nov 7, 2008 9:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Except every rumored deal has us sending an established 2.5 win above average shortstop as the deal’s centerpiece, not some unproven A-ball prospects. The Peavy deal would look a heck of a lot better if we were dealing Freeman, Rohrbaugh, Locke, and Flowers than Escobar, Schafer, and Morton.

by 17843 on Nov 8, 2008 3:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that whole heartedly. The debate was whether the Peavy deal would weaken our system, not whether losing Esco in the Peavy deal is good for the team.

by scstrato on Nov 8, 2008 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you really believe the crap that spews from your mouth? You actually believe the trade for Tex made our farm system stronger??? If we hadn’t made the Tex trade, we’d have Andrus ready to take over at short. Our system was severely weakened by that trade, don’t kid yourself. Do they make keyboard muzzles?

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t say the Teixera trade made our system stronger, what he said was that despite that trade, our system is now stronger than it was before that trade, which is entirely true. We have more high end talent and more talent overall than we did in the summer of 2007, than we have in a long time.
And as much as I like Elvis Andrus, I don’t think anyone thinks he’s ready to be a major league shortstop right now.

by cbwilk on Nov 8, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel for you my man, I really do. There has to be a serious problem with one of the cogs in your brain, how else can you explain how you got that trading “Tex made our farm system stronger” from what I said above.

Even worse, you use Andrus to make your point. The fact is the only piece of the Tex puzzle that will probably hurt us to lose is Feliz, not Andrus. The only thing he has going for him is the fact that he’s playing in AA at age 19, everything else points to major league backup at this point in his career.

So what is it about Andrus that is so awesome? Is it the fact he’s NEVER posted above a .740 OPS, maybe it’s the career .086 ISO, or even the 28% caught stealing percentage? My guess is it’s the 25 to 30 plus errors he makes every year.

by scstrato on Nov 8, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your problem is that you or raindelay can’t make a legitimate argument without putting someone down and trying to make yourself look better. I’m glad I get under your skin. I like that. Let me hear what else you got. I won’t respond to RainDelay because I believe he’s mentally challenged and I don’t think it’s right to attack him. I don’t think I’ve seen him write a complete sentence let alone know the difference between your and you’re.
Let me finish by listing Andrus’ stats last year in AA Frisco where he made it to the Future-Stars game at the age of 20!!!!
Avg .295 Obp .350 SB 54

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough … then let’s debate Andrus without the name calling or put downs.

First, and this is a bit nit picky, but Andrus was 19 when he went to the futures game. He didn’t turn 20 until late august. You point out his overall stats of Avg .295 Obp .350 SB 54. I agree the average and SB totals are good for a 19 year old at AA. My problem is with the 16 times he got caught stealing. That’s a 28% rate, not good. He also acquired 482 AB’s but ONLY 25 extra base hits. That was good for a .717 OPS, take away the .350 OBP and that’s border-line bench material. On top of this he committed another 32 errors this season for a .949 fielding percentage. So what am I missing?

To me he wouldn’t even crack the top 15 SS prospect list if it weren’t for his age/league. Worse, compare him to our current list of prospects in the other thread and tell me where he would land? Can you honestly put him in the top 10/15 of the Braves prospects? I can’t.

by scstrato on Nov 8, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct, he was 19 for most of the year at AA which makes his stats even more eye-catching. He is a little rough around the edges, but how many 19 year old SS do you know that can perform like he did at AA? There is alot to like about the guy and he will continue to grow and work on other facets of his game, but you and I both know prospects are based alot on potential and he has alot of it. He won’t be the next Hanley Ramirez because of his lack of power, but he sure can be close to being the next Jose Reyes. As players mature they put on more muscle as well which will help his slugging and with experience he will be a wiser base runner. I’ll wait to see how BA rates him in Texas’ organization and in the top 100 to answer your last question. In my opinion and just my opinion, I would rank him 4-5 in the Braves organization, but that’s because we have Heyward, Hanson and Freeman. He might be rated even higher in Texas.

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

By the way, his SB % last year was 77.1. Jose Reyes last year was 78.8.

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Big difference between AA catchers and MLB catchers.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 8, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but I was just trying explain that his SB% wasn’t bad and his numbers weren’t accurate.

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

77% in AA isnt very good, because of the lack of catching talent in AA, or the minors for that matter.

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Nov 8, 2008 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bingo.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 10, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Somehow I came out with a 71% SB rate but still can’t figure out how. I’ll concede that 77.1% is correct but I still maintain that is not good.

by scstrato on Nov 8, 2008 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Andrus has a long way to go before he can come “close” to Reyes. Lots of problems here but the main one that jumps out at me: Reyes never posted below .420 SLG in the minors (except in a short season) but Andrus has never posted better than .373 SLG.

Your statement about basing a lot on potential is exactly my point, Andrus just hasn’t had a single season that shows me he’s got potential to improve (outside of batting average). As I’ve said, granted he is young for the level he’s played at but then again even Reyes showed flashes of brilliance in the minors at a similar age/level. This is a big knock for me.

Now I will never say this guy doesn’t have the chance to turn it around, he’s still very young and we’ve seen worse become at least average major leaguers. My point is his performance to date doesn’t equal the hype that has surrounded him. Worse his performance is a clear indication that he is now where near ready for “the show”. My guess is he’s 2 years out at best and I think we’ll see that in this years prospect lists.

by scstrato on Nov 8, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know you guys are all trying to downplay the prospects we gave up for Tex, but it’s very hard to disguise the fact we got fleeced in that deal. I’m sure JS can’t even argue the fact that it was a horrible HORRIBLE deal! Please point out what other 19 year old SS excelled like Andrus at AA or higher. By the way, the Braves seem to have problems in recent years finding pure leadoff hitters. Furcal is the only one that comes to mind recently. And here we are ready to trade another potential lead-off prospect in G. Hernandez.

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

alex rodriguez, for one.

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by bigjoe on Nov 8, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol, I don’t expect Andrus to be half the player A-Rod is, but thanks for the insight.

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also, explain to me what the good of having a corner OF (which is what hernandez is) leading off is. corner OF bats are supposed to be power hitters. if you think gorkys is our CF of the future (see schafer, jordan), you’re crazy.

and i’d do the tex deal 10 times out of 10. when you’re THISCLOSE to a division title, and you can get an ELITE LEVEL PLAYER, you do it.

hey…isn’t that what we’re trying to do with the REIGNING NL CY YOUNG WINNER? shit.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Nov 8, 2008 9:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gorkys is CF

Gorkys is cf with great speed not a coner of

by atlbravesfn12 on Nov 9, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeaaaaaaaaah…when you can trade hernandez instead of schafer, you do that 99 times out of 100. and the one time you don’t is the one time where jordan got hit by a bus and lost an arm this winter.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You see, this is the kind of thing we’ve been trying to point out with you. We agreed to debate Andrus (at least by your posting after me I assume we agreed) and I posted my opinions with statistics that back up my claims. You respond with an opinion that Andrus compares to Jose Reyes but you give NO PROOF whatsoever. I ignored this point and, in the interest of the debate, attempted to further clarify why Andrus shouldn’t be considered a top prospect with more opinions with statistics to back my claims.

So now, having nowhere to turn, you revert back to your delusion comparisons and ludicrous opinions. Andrus “excelled” at AA, you can’t honestly believe this. His defense isn’t close to league average, his power is nowhere to be found (sorry, a 6 foot 180 pounder should hit the ball with authority regardless of age/level) and his base running/stealing is downright pathetic for that level. The fact is, there has been NO improvement in his performances from year to year. He is a stagnant, average minor league player at this point in his career.

That’s not even mentioning the rest of players in the trade. Salty … he regressed so far this year that he’s not even in the plans for the Texas bench if they can help it. Matt Harrison … Zach Duke, Scott Olsen, Chuck James, Jo-Jo Reyes all come to mind – especially pitching in that park.

C’mon man, if you want a serious debate then provide evidence. We are far too smart to fall for your “spin”.

by scstrato on Nov 8, 2008 9:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me about Salty? Texas may use him for further trade bait or move the other 2 catchers they have to make room for him. His value has not diminished as Boston is trying to get him, but his price may be too high.
You proved yourself wrong about Andrus with faulty stats and the fact he excelled at 19 in AA!!! You’re just mad because this is another argument you wanted to fight but lost again. What statistics did you provide? Your odd mathematics on stolen base percentage? No improvement from year to year??? HAHAHA He’s 19 in AA ball!!! OMG I can’t stop laughing!!! Now I get it, you’re a comedian. The funniest was, “He is a stagnant, average minor leaguer at this point in his career.” A 19 year old excelling in a league above his age level and chosen for the future-stars game. 54 SB at almost an 80% clip sure looks pathetic. HAHA Please, save yourself the embarrasment and stop arguing my posts. It’s just getting silly now.

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One final question for you. How do you convince and idiot that they are an idiot?

Ponder that one a while. You might actually learn something about yourself IF you ever figure it out.

by scstrato on Nov 8, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow! That was a low blow. I’m really offended now. LMAO

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i hope andrus bowls you over on one of his failed steal attempts

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by bigjoe on Nov 8, 2008 11:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, the other prospect, Neftali Feliz, will probably be ranked as Texas’ 1st or 2nd overall best prospect. Thanks for coming.

by BravesFan on Nov 8, 2008 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After the Trade

Not the best statistics, but I’ll work with what I have considering it’s the minors:

Andrus: .717 OPS, 32 errors
Harrison: 84 IP, 89 H, 28 BB
Jones: 85.1 IP, 74 H, 41 BB
Salty: .716 OPS, 18% CS

The only player that I regret losing is Feliz. Not to mention we got half a season of great relief pitching from Mahay (who also netted us a draft pick, please correct me if I’m wrong) and 1.5 years of Tex who we then traded for Kotchman (jury’s still out on him, but not a good start) and Marek (could be promising, but only pitched 14 innings for us last year).

Not sure how that was a horrible deal.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 10, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's no use

This guy lives in an alternate universe where he is the master of his domain. You could slap him in the face with evidence and he still wouldn’t acknowledge it. Then he runs off and whines when nobody will debate him seriously. He just needs to be ignored for a while and he’ll disappear … I’ve learned that lesson twice now (guess i’m hard headed).

by scstrato on Nov 10, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mahay did indeed net us a pick, which we used to snatch brett devall. thats working out pretty well so far.

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by bigjoe on Nov 10, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. Couldn’t remember who we selected with the pick.

9.2 IP, 4 H, 1 ER (off a HR mind you), 2 BB, 7 K

Not a bad little line.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 11, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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