Tazawa pitches complete game shut out
According to folks over at the Boston Herald, Junichi Tazawa has pitched a complete game shut out in the quarter finals of a tournament he is competeing in presently. Tazawa cannot be signed until the tournament is over. 4 hits, 0 walks, 10 strikeouts.
I consider it a failure of an offseason if this kid and Hanson are not present in spring training this year. This guy is way more valuable than all the Burnetts, Lowes, and Sheets in the world. I really hope our offer to him impresses him. I like that Frank Wren is already agressive, but if he can't seal the deal. I will me more than disappointed.
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Agreed. I’d much rather have him than Burnett or Lowe, and he’d be a hell of a lot cheaper. Come on, Frank, make it happen!
Kinda out of Frank Wren's hands...
… he offered a nice contract, but may not be willing to give an obscene contract like Boston or someone else would.
- Oh, Bobby. -
if they get him then you have a projected staff of Jurrjens, Hudson, Hanson, Morton and Tazawa for 2010. Could wreck shop or be horrible
didnt we already debunk the theory that “we need a lefty”
if 5 pitchers are available and they are alll better then the one lefty available, why would u drop one of the righties in favor of a less effective lefty (im not sure if i worded this right but w/e)
i would rather have a rotation full of effective righties than signing a lefty just because he is genetically predisposed to using his other hand
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
now if we decide to get Pat Venditte then im fine with it (he is amphibious, in that he can threw with both hands)
and yes i know th word is not amphibious
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
HAH
I found this actual laugh out loud funny. Sometimes you lol and don’t actually lol. I completely lol’d at that.
I believe the term you’re looking for is “hermaphroditic”.
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 22, 2008 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, we did, and...
We all decided that having Redman is preferable to AJ Burnett, because his Left-handedness balances out the rotation.
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 22, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
what is interesting is that no one even brought up the fact that teams adjust their lineups to hit LHP better… so they throw in the RH part of a platoon, which essentially balances out any benefit of having a LHP. Like when we had WIllie Harris and Matt Diaz, our LF crushed all pitching because we combined two guys… and yes i realize Willie Harris is not the answer in Left (unless the question is which player inflated his value with a ridiculous BABIP and a fluke power stroke)
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
But the point is...
You force them to adjust and of course you don’t throw out a lefty if you have a better righty. However, it’s an advantage to have a lefty against left hand heavy line ups.
What kind of competition is he playing against right now? In other words, was this really good or should be expected?
Not very good competition. Clay Davenport translated stats for the Asian leagues in his WBC preview three years ago and found that NPB was a little better than AAA, KBO was AA, and the Taiwanese league was A-A+. I cannot imagine the Industrial League to be any better than Taiwan. If so, this is a 21 year old dominating A-ball competition. Not especially ridiculous especially when you consider how poorly Japanese starters have translated across the Pacific (except for the two studs that have come over).
I certainly wouldn’t throw ridiculous money at him, but high seven figures would be appropriate.
I am not 100% sure
But this is the Japanese Amateur league. This is the feeder league for the Japanese Pro Leagues. I would hazard a guess that this is like class A or AA. But the things you need to pay attention to:
-Compete game
-Ten Strike Outs
-ZERO walks
Seriously. Undermining Tazawa’s performance would be like saying Hanson’s games in the minors or the AFL haven’t been worth anything. Neither are guaranteed MLB studs, but the more dominating they are at the lower levels, the better you feel about their potential.
Relax.
No one is “undermining” anyone; beeziez was merely asking a question because he (and I, among others, I’m sure) are unaware of the level of competition he’s facing. I hope we sign Tawaza and give him some time in AAA to get a feel for America and our level of baseball. I don’t expect him to be in Atlanta until late 2009 if not 2010.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
I’d be surprised if he pitched in the Majors in the next two years. The learning curve is steep, especially for pitchers who are still developing AND trying to learn to pitch in a different baseball environment. Ten year veterans of NPB have trouble coming to the states to pitch.
Couple things to add...
Frank Wren has said that the Japanese industrial leagues equate somewhere just harder than U.S. college baseball. Even if we say that Tazawa’s league is just equal to American college baseball, it’s not hard to see a guy with Tazawa’s numbers being a high-first-round pick.
Rumor has it that the Braves’ offer includes a $4-5 million signing bonus with low annual salaries, plus a 40-man roster spot. All in, that’s not a whole lot for a first-round talent, even if the bonus does have to get bumped up closer to $7 million.
On a more pessimistic note, Mike Plugh, who covers Japan for Baseball Prospectus, doesn’t see what all the fuss is about over Tazawa. I won’t quote the whole thing, since it’s subscription, but a couple of tidbits stand out:
“Tazawa’s importance has far less to do with his actual ability than with his path to the United States….He is a serviceable pitcher with a fair bit of upside; he has decent stuff. But if there’s one thing that I’ve learned a little something about concerning Japanese players in my years following the game here, it’s this: unless the player in question is one of his generation’s great performers, it’s unlikely that he’ll make it in the major leagues….Tazawa has done nothing to remotely put himself in even this latter class, but he’s nevertheless seeking a guaranteed deal with your club. I’m glad it’s not my money.”
Interesting perspective from a guy who covers Japanese baseball for at least a part-time living. It wouldn’t surprise me if all the hype was overblown, since there are reports of Tazawa throwing as high as 97 MPH, when in fact, he tops out at about 150 km/hr (about 93 MPH). Either way, I’m still convinced he’s worth a $7 million bonus, if only because the Braves must see something in him to be as aggressive as they have been, and their scouting record has a pretty damn good history.
That opinion surprises me...
Because of all the talent coming to the states this year, Tazawa seems to be the most talented.
Excellent post.
But to me, even if he doesn’t pan out, I think the Braves’ interest shows that we’re going in the right direction; namely, building young talent and being willing to pay top dollar for guys their scouts think can make an impact.
by soup du jour on Nov 22, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
That’s my view. We’ve been aggressive with Tazawa, more so than any of the other teams, which tells me that our scouts must like him. Given our excellent scouting and player development systems, I love the “identify them and do what it takes to get them” strategy. Pick the guys you like, GET the guys you like. It sounds like that’s just what the Braves are doing here. But maybe in the end he’s more of a back-end starter or middle reliever than a top-of-the-rotation guy.
Another quick comment
This is also a tournament game so I assume this is against one of the top 8 teams in the league. The assumption is there are more than 8 teams.
The key to evaluating players in overseas league is that almost all of them do not have the ability to progress further beyond the league they’re in. In the Cuban League, laws prevent them from defecting, in NPB, the nine years of exclusive control keeps them in Japan, etc. This means that the best players will continue to stay in a lower league, much like back in the day good players used to be kept in the minors because the major league team that owned them didn’t have a spot in the majors for them and they couldn’t sign elsewhere. This results in a situation where the level of play is lower, but the talent is more spread out around the mean.
That’s why you have to take Japanese players with some caution. The studs will be studs anywhere, but the above-average players may only be part-time players or middle relievers in MLB.
I’d encourage everyone to temper their enthusiasm for Tazawa. If he’s dominating a low level league, he’s probably pretty good, but it takes college starters two years to transition from college to the majors. Don’t expect it will be any different for Tazawa.
Lets Get Him but...
I love the fact that Frank was agressive and wasted no time in offering Tazawa a contract. They say they offerred around 4-5 mil signing bonus which is low compared what these kids are signing now a days. I havent seened this kid pitch but I trust our scouts. Unfortuanly for the Braves everyone else in MLB knows who he is. You know Boston is going to get involved eventually, the Dodgers, Cubs and maybe even the Cardinals and Mets. So the Braves have some competition.
So it may come down to money. I know the Braves are the type of ball club who never over spends for players but if you are going to start throwing money around for starting pitching, I say we get this guy. It makes sense from a future stand point.
in an article on espn by jim allen, tazawa was described as being several years away from the big league level which if you think about it, is very logical considering that tazawa is not even a professional in japan. he also said that tazawa was only 5-10 and stiff. allen went on to say that he believed tazawa would struggle to keep the ball down in the zone and that he rarely tops 90 mph on the radar gun. ive watched some videos that suggested tazawa was throwing as hard as 94 but stadium radar guns are highly unreliable. im also unsure of which point after delivery the reading is taken in japan, out of the pitchers hand or as it crosses the plate. im completely for signing tazawa but i think our timetables are skewed as to when he will be ready to pitch at the major league level. perhaps we should expect at least a full season in the minor leagues
how does Hanson rise to the ML have anything to do with Tazawa…. and upon watchin the videos of Tazawa i had the same concerns about him that jim allen has. His curve is good but he does leave it up and seems to get away with it against inferior competition. his fastball is at best around 93 and his other pitches are only slightly above avg, if they are above avg at all. i would like to sign this guy, but im not as sure as everyone else seems to be. And i agree this guy wont pitch in teh ML for at least a year or two. There really hasnt been an effective pitcher coming over from Japan. Nomo was effective for a short time, and Daisuke has been pretty effective, but i just dont think a guy who walks amost 4 guys per 9 inn can be as effective as he has. but what do i know
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
I’m just giving a timeframe. I think we will concentrate on getting Hanson ready, then focus on Tazawa. But this guy is perfect for us. We have money to spend and he is young talent. It’s not like we are giving him Derek Lowe or Ben Sheets money. We can use him to restore our farm system.
i do agree we should sign him. i was suprised at first by some of the negative things said about tazawa’s stuff but he still has potential to be a useful player. its always a positive thing to add young pitching, especially when it doesnt cost you a draft pick and the timeline for tazawa’s development is still better than most international signings in central and south america. none the less, the article tempered my expectations of tazawa somewhat
His curve...
When I watch the film of him, it seems like he has a good twelve to six curve, but he throws another pitch and it always hangs, maybe its the curve and he is just inconsistent with his curve. His fastball is a good pitch, but not overpowering. He does throw this one pitch, which dives down and in on righties and it’s pretty nasty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxRKY_Xg5tQ
1st pitch he throws is that hanger
7:35 is that good curve
7:50 is that nasty pitch
Boston reportedly has offered Tazawa a $6 million contract: http://www.npbtracker.com/2008/11/red-sox-offer-tazawa-6m/.
The Braves’ offer was reported to be worth $4-5 million. Tazawa is eligible to sign as early as tomorrow (November 24th), after the conclusion of his current tournament.
do u know if the contract involves a spot on the 40 man roster, or anything of that sort… i had heard we were the only ones willing to offer a MLB contract
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
Follow the link if you want to read the whole story. The report says it is unknown whether the deal is a major-league deal or not.
the link is like a sentence, then the link on that is in japanese… unfortunately my japanese is a bit rusty
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
NIKKAN SPORTS is reporting tazawa has already decided on boston. never figured we had a chance anyway.
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
The Nikkan Sports article
Reported something like three year contract for three million. didn’t specify MLB contract or signing bonus. I read this in an article last night. I’ll try to find it again and post a link.
Point is that it contradicts npbtracker story above. Don’t believe everything you read especially when it comes form the credible sources of Boston and New York. There idea of a credible source is a nine year old who’s uncle sells peanuts in the stands.
To be honest I got a feeling that Tazawa ends up in Seattle. Call me crazy but that’s my call.
He has good command of his fastball and slurve, but he lacks velocity, stamina and the ability to keep the ball down. At 22, Tazawa is unlikely to throw much harder than he does now; his fastball barely tops 90 mph when he is rested, and he struggled to hit 88 mph at the end of last season.
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
That’s not completely true, based on the tape I’ve watched his fastball is consistently 90-92. Perhaps at the end of the year that may have been true. Also I don’t think he throws a slurve, he throws a 12 to 6 curve and what I guess is a forkball, but it might be a shuuto. As for his stamina he did just throw a shut out and velocity I think it can improve, his mechanics could be improved. All this being said my information on Tazawa is limited, but I think that statement undersells him.

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