I am starting to hope on the bandwagon for this newly heard of trade target....
by bravesbeast1985 on Nov 21, 2008 9:00 PM EST
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PrintI know that alot of commenters on this site seem to like the Adam Dunns and Pat Burrells of the world. I think it is more of commenters showing appreciatation for these players because while they may struggle is some of the statistical areas that are the most glorified (average, k's), they excel in the overlooked stat department that are very vital to the game (runs, OPS, OBP). With that being said, it is obvious that a 3 to 4 year commitment at 2-5 million per for one of these players is could still be tough to swallow, not jus because of the offensive liabilities they can be at times, but the even bigger defensive sore thumbs they are the majority of the time.
With all this being said, I am going to echo Mark Bowman and a few other people who I have heard mention this name as a nice bargain trade target: Nick Swisher.
I was reading over at MLBTR, the internet megahub that it is today, and I ran across a pretty cool opportunity. Some writers out of new york are thinking that the Yanks may just have gotten Swisher as a prelude to trading him to an NL team. My thinking is that this might not be that far off, as they are in a position of leverage with him in terms of if they get Tex or not.
I had noticed that Swisher had been mentioned as a possible trade target of the braves via trade, and it seems that the Braves could still have a chance at him. I, for one, would not at all mind the acquistion of Swisher. I think he would not cost that much because of the down year he had last year, even though I think the yanks will want more than the joke of a bargain price that they got him for from the white sox. With that being said, I would love swisher's on base ability and versatility to hit in numerous spots in the lineup on our roster. Beyond that, unlike Burrell and Dunn, and the reason why Swisher might be even more valuable, is that he has the ability to be versatile defensively and not be a liability. I think that if the braves can acquire swisher for a reasonable prospect package, and at half the monetary value of the next three or four years it would take to get Burrell or Dunn, then it would definately be a smart path for Wren to take to acquire him.
My only wrench in all these plans is how we might match up with the yankees. Anybody got an idea of how we might match up, and what is yalls general opinion of swisher? One hindrance to his talent is the fact that I have heard mixed reports on the type of teammate and attitude he could bring to the clubhouse, but the braves and Bobby Cox have had a sister of having the ability to kind of blanket those concerns in the past by taming these certain types of personalities (Gary Sheffield etc.).
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Make that....
12 to 15 million per year for Dunn or Burrell, and make that that the braves have had a HISTORY of taming egos in the past, sorry
by bravesbeast1985 on Nov 21, 2008 9:04 PM EST reply actions
Swisher
“I think he would not cost that much because of the down year he had last year”
09:$5.3M, 10:$6.75M, 11:$9M
Thats how much he makes for the rest of his contract. Not toooooo bad but his average is very bad. Is he that much better than Frency? I mean both had HORRIFIC seasons this year. But both had good seasons in 2007. All i know is if BOTH produce like they produced in 2008 then BOTH could be out of a starting job by 2010. If people cant stand Frenchy and he is only at most 25 years old what are they gonna think about Swisher who is 3 or 4 years older than Frenchy?
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yes they are that much different
Swisher is an On base machine despite hitting in teh low 200s (his OBP was 120 pts higher than his avg) also he had much more power than frenchy did in rout to his low 200s avg.
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
I should have clarified myself....
In the text that I used in the quote that you have above, i was meaning that he might not cost that much in terms of prospects in a trade. Basically, I believe that Swisher is going to cost 7 million per over the next three years, basically half of what it would cost to sign Burrell or Dunn. Furthermore, battting average is just one part of the story. If you consider Swisher’s ability to get on base and his defensive versatility, I say he would be a notch above frenchy, and a notch above in terms in value when compared to Burrell or Dunn.
by bravesbeast1985 on Nov 21, 2008 9:29 PM EST reply actions
Naw we Shoul pass
i looked up his numbers nothing special to me. you want a guy in left that hits .250 and 22 homeruns that it?
This comment....
above proves my point of how overrated some stats can be.
by bravesbeast1985 on Nov 21, 2008 10:10 PM EST reply actions
I say....
go for it Wren!! LF has been a black hole for a while now. Swisher would be better than anything we have right now. Just think of his cheering section…maybe some scantily-clad young women calling themselves the “Swisher Sweets”…….its a win-win for everyone!!!!
No Thank You
I think the best answer for the Braves getting a slugging outfielder would be looking at either free agent Milton Bradley or Jose Guillen, who according to some is available via trade.
What do you guys think about both of these ballplayers?
by ChipperTeixeira89 on Nov 21, 2008 11:05 PM EST reply actions
ive heard the TOR is gonna make a large offer for Bradley, not saying its a dne deal or that i have any credible sources, but thats what i read
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
No No Thank You!
I agree with ChipperTexeira89. We should not solve our outfield problem with Nick Swisher.(Who by the way has a hot girlfriend). Nick is a decent player but not your typical cleanup hitter! When Frank says we need a big right handed bat to put in between Chip and B-Mac, Swisher doesnt fit that description!!
by AlRoBraves95 on Nov 22, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
so
i just looked at nude pictures of swisher’s girlfriend and… i don’t know about swisher, but i think if we could just get her locked up in a long-term deal then the braves future roster could look like a huge erection.
Dang. What is with these Oakland players and their ability to snag so many hot women? Kotsay’s wife, several unaccounted for hotties playing softball with her, and now Nick Swisher?
Billy Beane: “Mark/Nick, you know why I brought you to Oakland?”
Kotsay/Swish: “why”
BB: “Because you bring GREAT ATTRIBUTES to this squad, good on-base percentages, and key parts to building a MONEYBALL team!”
K/S: “ok”
BB: “But I’m afraid there’s one problem.”
K/S: “whut”
BB: “We can’t afford to pay you more than the league minimum. And your per-diem per game is probably enough to get you some Carls Jr. or some double cheeseburgers at Sheetz, and you’ll have to share rooms with three other players at the La Quinta… "
K/S: /stops listening as vision trails off watching the hot blonde/brunette walk by
BB: "…But that’s okay, if you guys get fat – as long as your OBP doesn’t drop. Look at Jeremy Brown!”
K/S: “yeah whatever man, where do i sign”
I’d question whether or not it would be worth it to acquire Swish in this what I also think is an unlikely event, but then again, I was the only person here ecstatic when Kotsay was brought aboard, but for totally different reasons.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
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This is one of the most offensive posts I’ve read here, and is not in keeping with the spirit of this blog. You should never talk about looking at naked pictures of someone’s girlfriend/wife…without posting a link to those pics. I’m waiting, and MY erection does NOT last longer than 4 hours!
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 23, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
-1 for too much information
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
Ha. The last time someone posted naked pictures here, it was a Mets troll. And gondeee actually got off his lazy ass for a change, and actually banned the person, instead of you know.. writing about baseball or something.
I won’t post a link, but I’ll point you in the right direction: “Daniella Gamba”
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
This just doesn’t sound likely to me. Why would a team trade for a player to trade him somewhere else? Unless it was a previously worked out three team thing, but that would have already happened (the Mike Hampton from the Rockies to Marlins to Braves trade actually happened over the course of three days.) Why wouldn’t the White Sox just trade him to a National League team?
It’s more likely that the Yankees would look to move Melky Cabrera than to trade the guy they just picked up.
let the high priced free agents alone
Bring Heyward and Shaffer up to play CF-LF,Hanson to fill the P rotation,move McCann to 1st base,bring Flowers up to catch(he catches Hanson regularly,and the talk is Flowers does a great job).McCann could catch on rest days for Flowers.Cotchman plays first on those days.Also,groom Cotchman to play 3rd base(we all know Jones cant play all year).As free agents:Smoltz(hes not done),Hampton(worth a shot),go after another starter or maybe two.
for the love of god that is the stupidest thing ive ever read… first off McCann is the better defensive C, second Flowers isnt ready and has only played AA, third Hanson has never pitched above AA, fourth, Heyward has only played a week or two in AA, fifth, Kotchman is a plus defender at first but has never plaeyd 3rd, sixth smoltz will most likely come back as a reliever not a starter, and his name is Schafer and he also has never played above AA, (although he does have a decent shot at making the big league team this spring)
to sum it up thats 7 errors in 4 lines that has got to be some kind of record… while we’re at it lets start Julio Teheran in teh first game of the year and then we can have Freddie Freeman play 2nd base
which leaves your only semi competant thought= bring back Mike Hampton, which i agree with if we dont over spend maybe around 3 or 4M
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
I don't think English is fatazfoot's first language
So I’ll give him/her the benefit of the doubt regarding spelling and grammar. However, that’s no excuse for not being very educated about how baseball (or any other sport) works. The posts suggest that fatazfoot’s only experience with baseball is from video games, where you can change positions at will, and as long as the guy has a high enough rating, they can compete in the majors.
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 23, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
and stop posting this exact same idea it didnt make sense the first time u posted it, a week later it still doesnt make sense… learn how to spell the players u are talking about and then think about what u r typing
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
oh man, you should put your head in an oven if you seriously think heyward and flowers should be starting next year.
also, you’re such a huge braves fan, that you mis-spelled our first baseman’s name twice, and botched the name of one of our top prospects. well done sir, that southern education is paying off
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
u dont want to have that conversation, i live in the south and ur gonna lose, northern education is a bit better
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
A bit perhaps...
but that’s no reason to go around insulting southern education. Maybe if the North hadn’t burnt us to the ground we would be on par. I kid. And no I don’t want to have an argument about education. I just stick up for the south.
Actually...
…the Southern army did part of that burning. It was strategic, so that the Northern soldiers couldn’t use the ammunition, rations, etc.
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 23, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
hey i come here to avoid hw and learning… so stop it
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
avoid learning? MAYBE YOU TOO CAN WORK IN THE BRAVES FRONT OFFICE!
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
You guys know those Gatorade commercials that are edited clips of heroic sporting events, but edited so that they’re all failures? Jordan missing the buzzer beater, Montana overthrowing Clark, and Giambi beating the Jeter flip?
Now imagine Sid Bream getting thrown out by Barry Bonds, and Skip mournfully saying “Pirates Win”
Yeah, that’s kind of the direction this particular conversation is going now.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
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