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The Blind Numbers Game

This post has nothing to do with the Atlanta Braves.

I'm kind of bored, and I figured this might be a little good at helping myself as well as anyone reading this to kill some time.

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I'll be the first to admit that I'm not the most numbers-savvy guy.  I generally leave it to others to debate the Heyman-esque stats, and to the heavy-hitters here to point-counterpoint debate the Bill James/Voros McCracken-esque stats, while I tend to keep quiet and carefully read and do my best to comprehend and learn, before throwing in lame quips and retorts.  But I still love baseball, regardless.

Anyway, the following post is the result of reading something this morning, that irked me, because it made a jab at a player (B) that I like, for no real reason, other than the fact that he's young, and I want to see him do well and succeed, so I can say "I told you so," to everyone who overlooks him.

So I present to you all several players, represented only by the first six (official) seasons of their careers.

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So, the article was about Player A, who is a free agent, looking to make a boatload of money this off-season.

Well crap, Sac Flies, Hit by Pitch, Intentional Walks, and Vidros get cut off.

 

In the article, it mentions Player B, and his salary, and uses him as a benchmark, stating that Player A deserves more because he is a better hitter.  I looked at the screen, and thought that that was a little jab, unwarranted, because they mention another factor that concerns many.

Player B's stats:

 

Some are higher, some are lower, but the fact of the matter is that both of them are quite the prolific mashers.  They both hit for good power, average, get on base, and drive others in.  Given what I know about them both right now, I'd have to say that Player A is indeed the slightly better hitter but I began think about how overlooked Player B really is, overall.

For whom I think is an overlooked guy, Player C is whom Player B is compared to (baseball-reference), through the first six years of his career.  Player C's stats:

 

Not a bad player to be compared to.

And to keep the game going, I'll throw in some other names into the pool.

Often, I always thought that Player D was most like Player C.  Funny thing is, I often compared Player B to be the younger rival to Player D, and often imagined the two of them in the statistical hitting races when both were older.  Player D's stats:

 

But it turns out, that on Baseball-reference, Player D was most favorably compared to Player E, throughout the path of his career so far.  Player E's stats:

 

Turns out that Player E wasn't a bad ballplayer himself, either.

And just to throw one more out there, Player F has nothing to do with the previous players, but I'm including his stats too, just for one more player to guess, as well as the fact that he is quite the prolific hitter himself.

 

So my conclusion out of all this was that Player B, my boy, is a tremendous hitter in his own right, but seems to fall a step below a lot of the other players mentioned.  But it is still a gigantic compliment to be compared to Player C, and if Player B's career lasts half as long and is half as successful, nobody will say he was ever really a bad baseball player.

So, for my fellow baseball fans - Name Players A through F.  No need to show your work or cite your sources.  I don't care.

Yeah, I realize that six seasons is a small sample, and that this exercise leaves tons of open holes for harsh debates, but take a few steps back and look at it merely as nothing but a simple, harmless guessing game, with no intentions to piss anyone off.  If you're like me, and bored behind a desk in an office, then you'll appreciate a few minutes killed.

Hints are in the first comment box - don't read them if you don't want them; they might make this too easy(ier?).  I'm sure m writing will tip off a lot of these, and most probably won't be too difficult for you baseball savvy folks.  I'll throw up the answers at around 3-4 pm or something, EST, if you guys haven't already figured them all out by then.

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Two are former Braves. One is not alive. Five are right-handed batters, one is a switch-hitter. Two are no longer active.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 20, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Player A – Mark Teixeira
Player B – Miguel Cabrera
Player C – Hank Aaron
Player D – Albert Pujols
Player F – Manny Ramirez

by DMac142005 on Nov 20, 2008 1:14 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaron’s still alive.

by someguy917 on Nov 20, 2008 1:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevermind

I read it wrong, and checked that it has to be Aaron.

by someguy917 on Nov 20, 2008 1:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh man I do all that work to solve it

And I scroll down and you guys already figured them out. I had to “cheat” on Player F though.

by VictorW on Nov 20, 2008 2:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remembered Manny puttin up 145 one season and 165 the next. That’s how I knew him.

by DMac142005 on Nov 20, 2008 3:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too easy?

A – Mark Teixeira
B – Miguel Cabrera
C – Hank Aaron
D – Albert Pujols
E – Joe DiMaggio
F – Manny Ramirez.

Probably. Too easy.

This was the link that brought this on. Now when it comes to hitting, it’s arguable who may be a better hitter; Tex shows the more rounded out stats that are good on all fronts, but there are times when I’ve just watched Cabrera, and the guy just destroys baseballs.

Now when you factor in the fielding, there’s no comparison – Tex all the way. It doesn’t help that Cabrera has gained a ton of weight throughout the last three years, and it has gradually made him worse defensively. But offensively, it doesn’t seem to have slowed him down nearly as bad, as he continued to put up respectable hitting numbers. It’s not like he was Andruw Jones or anything.

But I like Cabrera, and weight problems and defensive ineptitude aside, there’s no denying he’s definitely a top-tier hitter. Why he is not more often mentioned in the same breath with guys like Pujols, Manny or Rodriguez seems wrong to me. I used to think it was because he played in Florida, and hoped that Detroit’s failure of a season was the reason he went so quiet in 2008. Anyone being compared to Hank Aaron should warrant a little more attention than he receives.

And the fact that he’s only 25 – about 3-4 years from typical “man-power” peaking, so if he’s just getting started, I’d love to see him start cranking out some 45+ home run seasons, even if he just simply becomes a DH.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 20, 2008 4:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love Cabrera as well. He’s been the cornerstone of my big money keeper league since 2005. I was right there with you in thinking that the reason he didn’t get more love was because he played in Florida. He “struggled” for a good portion of the year this year, but really turned it on in the 2nd half and ended up having a great season…even though it was his worst since 2004.

I think the Cabrera we saw last year, and the Cabrera of 2004 are likely to be the true Cabrera. The three seasons in between he put up insane numbers but I have to imagine that a great amount of that was due to his crazy BABIPs…358 in 05, .379 in 06, and .355 in 07. This past season he was right at .310 which is exactly league average. Who knows, I may be wrong. I assume that this guy has a very high line drive percentage because, as you said, all he does it hit missles…maybe that causes him to have an abnormally high BABIP. That still wouldn’t explain the drop in his walk rate however, but maybe that can be attributed to adjusting to a new league?

With that being said, this guy is going to be huge if he hasn’t even peaked yet.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 20, 2008 5:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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