Peavy Deal Back On
Lord! After only four days of the Jake Peavy to the Atlanta Braves trade talks being off, they are apparently back on, or so says the pudits of baseball.
Back on says DOB:
...with Dempster off the market, and Sabathia never in the Braves’ price range, and Burnett eyeing a five-year, $16 mill-per-season offer from the Yankees, it looks like the Braves’ best shot at landing a No. 1-caliber starting pitcher might be [Jake Peavy]...
Back on, perhaps, says a San Diego beat writer:
Towers wouldn't rule out the possibility of circling back around to the Braves, who last week said they were moving on after a deal couldn't be reached.
"You never know ... we certainly made more progress with them," Towers said. "We were able to ID and agree upon a large part of the package."
"A large part of the package" which the Braves probably think should be the "whole package."
Even Peter Gammons think the Padres will come back around to the Braves.
With the free agent pitchers disappering off the market, the Braves lose most of the leverage they had just a week ago. Do the Padres now have the upper hand? Does this mean that the Braves will have to add the other player to the mix that seemed to hold up the trade before? The only indication that the Braves can possibly remain in control of these negotiations is that there seem to be no other teams who can come close to matching what the Braves have reportedly already put forward.
Prepare yourself for another avalanche of "sources" claiming to know what's about to happen.
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Just wanted to get some opinions but do you think that the Cubs interest was more a product of the Chicago media than that they were really interested.
by jack dein on
Nov 18, 2008 6:19 PM EST
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The Cubs just don't have prospects to get a Peavy deal done.
unless they flip Soto for prospects first.
I know that's a pisser, baby.
by Blicks on
Nov 18, 2008 9:03 PM EST
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You could look at it that way, or you could look at it that it’s now the Braves who have the leverage since every other team that’s been linked to the Peavy talks have picked up expensive FAs (well except the Dodgers, but I doubt Towers wants to trade within the division). I hope Wren holds strong.
by coldriver10 on
Nov 18, 2008 6:19 PM EST
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Can Gorkys play 2B? That would solve a lot of problems. I don’t see why he couldn’t learn.
by TradeAndruw on
Nov 18, 2008 6:41 PM EST
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Man we are in the drivers seat. I say Yunel Morton Gorkys take it or leave it.
by someguy917 on
Nov 18, 2008 6:42 PM EST
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I’d rather give up Jo-Jo than Morton, personally…
by coldriver10 on
Nov 18, 2008 7:12 PM EST
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I definitely would too, but it has to look like a serious offer.
by someguy917 on
Nov 18, 2008 7:32 PM EST
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NO TO YUNEL!
They didn’t take it the first time, they missed out. Whatever they do, don’t give them anything better than we offered before and DO NOT include Yunel. KJ, Jo-Jo, and Gorkys/Cody Johnson/Blanco/or Anderson. We are stacked with prospects in the outfield, so we don’t need all of them.
by scottyboy10 on
Nov 18, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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I’d say throw Diaz into the mix too, I always forget about him.
by someguy917 on
Nov 18, 2008 7:33 PM EST
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lol at anyone wanting to trade for diaz, blanco or anderson
Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.
by bigjoe on
Nov 18, 2008 9:46 PM EST
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To paraphrase the grumpy old men from the muppets..
“Hey, that package isn’t half bad!”
“You’re right, it’s all bad!”
by BraveBronco0121 on
Nov 18, 2008 9:54 PM EST
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I still say NO to a Peavy trade
Well, as long as Yunel is not apart of it. I mean if Towers couldn’t find any other team that was offering good stuff, than the Braves shouldn’t have to include Yunel either.
Padre fans can say all they want, but I HONESTLY think a package consisting of Flowers, Gorkys and Reyes/Morton as the centerpieces is more than sufficient in getting Peavy. Flowers and Gorkys have LOADS of upside and with Reyes/Morton, you get a starting pitcher that could go right into the ’09 rotation. Add another pitcher like Locke or Medlen and I think that is MORE than fair.
Cubs fans willl just be upset because they realize that is a pretty decent haul, but still didn’t touch our two best prospects in Hanson and Heyward, the UNTOUCHABLES. lol
by ChipperTeixeira89 on
Nov 18, 2008 7:51 PM EST
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Maybe, but I would almost rather keep Flowers than Yunel.
by someguy917 on
Nov 18, 2008 7:55 PM EST
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Why? Insurance for Mac?
Come on dude, if Wren can replace Yunel with Flowers as one of the centerpieces, any Brave’s fan should be all for it. Keeping Yunel would save the team from spending more on unnecessary pieces like Furcal (who is still a HUGE injury risk mind you). I mean people keep on saying the Braves will not be able to afford a guy like Burnett. Well guess what? That would defintely be the case if Wren threw $40-50 million on a position he already has locked for many years and at an afforable price. Instead use that money to try and sign atleast one of Burnett or Bradley, if not both.
by ChipperTeixeira89 on
Nov 18, 2008 8:24 PM EST
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I said almost. Mostly cause we haven’t produced a big bat since Andruw, but look where he is now, so I guess I will withdraw that. Yunel is staying.
by someguy917 on
Nov 18, 2008 11:52 PM EST
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No way.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Nov 18, 2008 9:41 PM EST
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Uppehand
The Braves hold the leverage because as much as the Braves need Peavey, the Padres need to move him even more. Half the league can’t add his salary and the other half can’t offer a good enough trade package. Not to mention Peavey still has to approve any trade. Towers has no leverage especially now that Dempster signed with the Cubs. I would even lower the offer if I were Wren.
by JFP on
Nov 18, 2008 8:34 PM EST
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I agree completely
That’s why I think escobar should be removed from ANY Peavy package.
by ChipperTeixeira89 on
Nov 18, 2008 9:06 PM EST
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I don't see that the Padres are in a strong position
1. They clearly want to dump salary
2. Atlanta is the only team in the market for Peavy
If anything, we have the edge here.
I am very opposed to dealing Yunel, KJ, or Hanson/Schafer/Flowers/Freeman/Heyward in a package for Peavy. I still think that Peavy has significant risk associated with him, both in terms of health and performance, and if the Padres don’t want to concede that point and lower their demands accordingly, they can keep him. I have a feeling that the Padres have these concerns as well – another bad year dulls his trade value significantly, and a serious injury would almost nullify it completely.
by BraveBronco0121 on
Nov 18, 2008 9:14 PM EST
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Ease up
Everyone on here is going crazy saying we should be taking Yunel off the table. Let me tell you…..without Escobar this deal has exactly 0% chance of happening. If you want a top ten pitcher whom you will control at a below market value price for four to five years, you have to give up a huge bounty. I admit that Escobar is a HUGE bounty but that’s what it takes to get a Cy Young caliber relatively young starter. We also need to take a step back and quit drinking the kool-aid that says all of our prospects are sure fire all stars. WE NEED PEAVY! End of story. We can’t give up Hanson or Heyward, but anyone else is fair game in my opinion.
by KC Ryan on
Nov 18, 2008 10:39 PM EST
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We need another starter, yes...
this deal will leave us needing another SS. Assuming we get Peavy and Furcal to replace Escobar, that leaves us with insufficient resources to address our other holes – the outfield and the bullpen. At this point, Yunel should be off the table because we don’t have any replacement that’s at his level. Lillibridge sucked with the bat last year. Renteria is way over the hill. Furcal will command a huge salary and comes with significant risk of injury and plain old skill deterioration at his age. There’s a good chance that in replacing Yunel we take a step back at what should be a position of strength.
by BraveBronco0121 on
Nov 19, 2008 8:29 AM EST
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Don’t forget that signing Furcal isn’t a lock either. Plenty of other teams will be throwing money at him.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Nov 19, 2008 9:09 AM EST
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Robbing Peter to pay Paul
Peavy is signed at 30% less than what CC has on the table from the Yankees. However, if Yunel is included in the deal, his replacement will cost more than the ~$7 million annual difference in the two contracts. So, what I’m trying to say is, if there’s no in-house replacement for the ML player you’re trading, then Peavy’s total cost is not below market value.
by buzzdeadwax on
Nov 19, 2008 1:08 PM EST
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I need to start using that phrase more often…
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Nov 19, 2008 1:37 PM EST
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Meh.
If we trade for Peavy and then add some of the second tier jokers people have us linked to at the moment, I will be extremely upset. The Braves should make a seriously play for Ben Sheets now to add to our leverage. Then you move forward with Lowe and Peavy, letting each know that you’d be happy with either to force their hands. If we can’t get all the guys we really want, we should just stand pat and build for 2011.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on
Nov 19, 2008 3:09 AM EST
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Don't forget about Burnett
Just because the Yanks are throwing some cash at him, it doesn’t mean they will land him. He has expressed some interest in the Braves, but I have no clue what the extent of said interest is.
Randy Johnson is out there too.
Peavy will be a Brave when it is all said and done. I haven’t commented on Peavy since the Braves pulled the plug late last week because it has not only gotten tedious, but absolutely ridiculous at this point. Towers is a complete clown in my book, and I am hoping that the Braves find a way to land Burnett just to increase their leverage with the Padres.
Oh, and I do think the Braves still have the leverage. The Cubs, the only other team in the running, have supposedly moved on after signing Dempster. That doesn’t make sense to me, because they were planning on resigning him all along, but that is what is being reported. If the Cubs are out (which I don’t believe) then there is no one left but the Braves, right? Will the Cards get back into it now?
by TheSportsIdiot on
Nov 19, 2008 9:38 AM EST
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The newest report says that the Yanks and Cubs are still in it. Towers said Phil Hughes isn’t required from the Yanks, which is bad news because they have a decent farm system. I don’t see the Cubs being major players on Peavy going forward, though.
by coldriver10 on
Nov 19, 2008 10:33 AM EST
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Posturing
Just more posturing from Towers. The Yankees are signing at least 3 of Sabathia Burnett Lowe and Texeira and the Cubs are saying they can’t do both Dempster and Peavey, plus they don’t even have the players to get the trade done. This is just like last year when Johan was traded, when the Twins only ever had one team they could deal with. The Twins drug it out and kept trying to throw out other interested parties and in the end they settle for a poo poo platter. Towers is going to get the same treatment eventually.
by JFP on
Nov 19, 2008 1:50 PM EST
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Braves will get Peavy...
Padres need to shed payroll, would like some decent prospects in return and trade Peavy to an NL team. The Cardinals were never close, Padres are relucant to trade a pitcher of Peavy’s caliber to a division rival unless they were willing to fork over a good amount of prospects,Mets have no prospects at all and it seems the Cubs dont either unless they can find a 3rd party which wont happen. So what team is left you might be asking? The Braves.
We have a shit load of good prospects down in our farm system. Peavy would like to move to a NL team so he can bat and also live closer to home. Frank said he is done talking to that idiot (Towers Administration) but with Dempster off the market, Lowe asking for a big contract and rumors going around that the Yanks are offering 4 years 75 mil to Burnett, Peavy is and has to be our guy. We need to go back to the drawing board and offer the same package of players (Escobar, Jo-Jo or Morton, Blaine Boyer, and I forgot the other guy is in the minors, Not heyward,hanson, flowers,)
Towers sees that the market for Peavy is slim and they are asking to much and eventually they are going to trade him to the Braves. Its just a matter of time, you’ll see.
by AlRoBraves95 on
Nov 22, 2008 5:56 PM EST
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