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Braves wish list/FA consideration list

The Braves have a considerable amount of money to spend this off season.

Roughly 45 mil on the books between Hudson, Chipper, Soriano, McCann, and Smoltz.

6 players are up for Arbitration: Francouer, Kotchman, Kelly Johnson, Mike Gonzalez, Omar Infante, and Matt Diaz.

I'd really like Chipper to stay around at least for another 3 or 4 years. But, to do so, I think he needs to move to first base. This would move Yunel to 3rd (he has the arm) and then we could sign a FA to man short until one of the kids (Lillibridge or Hicks) is ready.

I'd also like them to pursue trading Kelly Johnson. He's been solid but we already have a #2 hitter in Esocbar. The Braves need a clear cut leadoff hitter with some speed (Furcal?) to get on base for Chipper, McCann, and the other power bat we acquire through a trade or free agency (Ludwick or Dunn?).

Francouer. Francouer Francouer Francouer. Where do I start? I would be okay with the Braves holding onto him as long as he works with Terry Pendleton every day and loses that 20 lbs of muscle he put on last year. If thats not the case, ship him to KC because they love him and that's where we would get the most value. Maybe we could snake Greinke from them in the deal.

 

On to the FA's.....

Star-divide

Below is a list of FA I think the Braves should at least take a look at (in no particular order):

Position Players -

Wes Helms - you can never have too many guys like him.

Adam Dunn - a much needed power bat

Griffey - more so to bridge the gap and would provide a little more power from the OF

Alex Cora - good utility man, can fill in well (and we know the injury prone braves will need that)

Orlando Cabrera - depending on what happens with the possibility of us trading Yunel Escobar or Kelly Johnson

Edgar Renteria - he would have to take a pay cut, but this would also only work if we traded part of the Escobar/Johnson duo.

Garret Anderson - he's old, but hes reliable. He gets on base (maybe he can show Francouer how to draw a walk)

Milton Bradley - he's injury prone, but when he's not - boy is he productive.

Luis Gonzalez - again, an older guy. But he did a nice job filling in for the fish last year and he would be great to have in the clubhouse.

Pitchers -

A.J. Burnett - After the Peavy deal fell through, signing him should be priority #1

Ryan Dempster - I like Dempster, he is very consistent. I'd love for them to be able to sign both him and Burnett but I highly doubt that will happen.

Oliver Perez - I know, he was a Met and I don't particularly like him. BUT, he's a good young lefty and I think he will continue to get better.

Ben Sheets - I thought he would have a monster year and win the Cy Young. I was a little off, but he still did very well.

Freddy Garcia - not a bad option to have as a bottom of the rotation guy.

Randy Johnson - he started to to look good at the end of the year.

Mike Hampton - we should definitely resign him to an incentive laden contract.

Tom Glavine - the Braves should resign him and if he isn't up to starting, make him the lefty specialist.

Joe Beimel - everyone knows we need all the pen help we can get, and he has been great (unless his team has a big lead)

Jeremy Affeldt - relatively young middle reliever (see Joe Beimel)

Darren Oliver - Almost 40 but he was very effective for the Angels in 08.

Brian Fuentes - The Mets are big on this guy. I'd like to sign him so Minaya feels he has to sign K-Rod. (I really think K-Rod is the next Gagme. Decresed velocity + a lot of use over the last 2 years)

Kerry Wood - With the Cubs trading for Kevin Gregg, it appears he won't re-sign with them. He looks like he got his confidence back and I'd love to have him in the pen next year.

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Jeremy Affeldt just signed with the Giants.

by SayHeyWerd on Nov 17, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i just saw that. my buddy here at work told me and he’s pissed because he was hoping the mets would sign him.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 17, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he would have been a good pickup

by SayHeyWerd on Nov 17, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lowe

I am glad that Derek Lowe isn’t listed for the following reasons

1. Scot Boras is his agent
2. He is looking for a 4-5 year deal and will be in his 40’s at the end do we really want to go through this again.
3. He will cost the same as what AJ burnett will cost.
4. We will have to outbid the Red Sox and Yankees for him and we can’t

by mauck98 on Nov 17, 2008 3:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

im not big on lowe. his home/road splits care me and hes older than dempster.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 17, 2008 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Boras is all I need to hear. I would stay away from that.

by someguy917 on Nov 17, 2008 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chipper has said 1B is even tougher on his feet than 3B, I don’t know what we do when his fielding becomes a big liability. Trade him to an AL team or stick him in left I guess.

by TradeAndruw on Nov 17, 2008 3:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

really? you’d think he’d be able to stay a lot healthier over at first. this is why i listed guys like wes helms as potential FA pickups. they need to spell chipper every 5th day or something (kinda like hes a catcher) with a solid backup.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 17, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trading Francoeur...

is a bad idea. Grienke isn’t worth having to find two suitable outfielders when we are having a hard time finding one.

by someguy917 on Nov 17, 2008 3:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

why isnt a 25 year old stud worth an outfielder with marginal power and a 200 batting average?

by tdoublem23 on Nov 17, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He had one bad year, what’s to keep your “stud” from doing the exact same thing for us.

by someguy917 on Nov 17, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i know i know, i just like to be tough on frankie bc i expect more out of him. i really hope jeff bounces back next year and proves everyone wrong – but you cant fault the braves if they pulled the trigger on a trade that sent francouer to kc in return for greinke. starting pitching is harder to come by than corner outfielders.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 18, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

in his career, he’s had one league average year, one above average half season, one below average season, and one bad season. you may be correct in saying “one bad season”, but that doesn’t mean all the rest have been phenomenal.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Nov 18, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Garret Anderson?

“he’s old, but hes reliable. He gets on base (maybe he can show Francouer how to draw a walk)”

The same Garret Anderson with a career .327 OBP? The same one with a little under 400 walks in 15 seasons as a major leaguer? The same one that, out of the last four years, has put up an above average OPS once? Yeah, he would sure help us.

Seriously, just do a VERY quick over at baseball-reference, fangraphs, THT, BP, ESPN even, to avoid these kinds of silly statements in the future. Don’t mean to sound harsh, but you couldn’t be further from the truth in your description of Anderson. He’s the poster child for guys overrated by what passes for a baseball analyst on the major outlets – high average, no walks, marginal power – in short, not nearly enough offense to carry a corner outfield position.

by BraveBronco0121 on Nov 17, 2008 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

you sir, are correct. this was the one thing i just threw in there and didnt check bc i couldve sworn he had a high obp. in fact, frankie drew more walks than anderson last year.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 17, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Helms in particular isnt a free agent. perhaps you were thinking of eric hinske. Finally someone agrees with me that F. Garcia has the potential to help us at a deep discount

by jeg on Nov 17, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i saw helms on a FA list somewhere. but youre right, the fish signed him to a 2 year deal. hinske would be good too.

garcia could turn out to be a steal if he comes any where near the numbers he put up earlier in his career.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 17, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you want Garcia?

We already have
1. ?
2. ?
3. Jurrjens
4. Campillo
5. Morton/Hanson/Reyes
Not to mention if we get Hampton or Glavine back, or God forbid Smoltz can start.
We’ve got too many sub 3 spot pitchers already.

by someguy917 on Nov 17, 2008 7:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and the question marks are?

why dont you see jurrjens as #2?

by tdoublem23 on Nov 18, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jurrjens, and also the questions marks in my book should be Peavy (assuming Towers comes crawling back and has a more reasonable plan) and a one year guy like Randy Johnson or worst case scenario a two or three year deal with Sheets. But I will say this a million times, I would rather have Tazawa than get Sheets or Lowe or Burnett or Johnson or Penny or any of the other quick fixes.

by someguy917 on Nov 18, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oh and smoltzie needs to close for the rest of his career.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 18, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why? I really think if he thinks he can start, he will, I’m not sure he wants to retire as a closer.

by someguy917 on Nov 18, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

because if he throws more than 50 innings in a season, his arm is gonna explode for the third time.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Nov 18, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t call Dempster “consistent”, unless you’re saying he was consistently mediocre until last year.

Anyone have the link to that article slamming Oliver Perez? Someone posted here it a while ago.

by TradeAndruw on Nov 17, 2008 4:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am totally against us signing A.J. Burnett. Nothing about the guy says that he is an ace. He has injury issues and gives up a lot of hits. Last year he pitched 221 innings and gave up 211 hits, along with 19 home runs. His ERA although hot bad at 4.07 isn’t ace status either. The only number he has that is really good is his strikeouts with 231. His season average isn’t that good averaging 13 wins 12 loses, and a 3.81 ERA. I just don’t think giving this guy 5 years and between $15-18 mil. per year is worth it. Sheets is the guy that I am pushing for. He has been the ace of a staff and is a year younger.

by jack dein on Nov 17, 2008 5:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Are you serious?

You knock A.J. for his injury history and promote Sheets because he’s been the “Ace” of a staff. Being the number 1 starting pitcher for your team does not make you an Ace. Not only that, but Sheets has missed just as much time as Burnett – he’s pitched more than 150 IP’s ONCE in the last four years (that was this year). A.J. gives up more hits? Not really.

Player H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP
Burnett 7.84 0.8 3.71 8.36 1.28
Sheets 8.84 1.01 1.97 7.6 1.20

A.J. gives up fewer hits per 9, fewer hr’s per 9 and strikes out more per 9. Sheets is the better pitcher when it comes to walks per 9.

On top of all this Sheets has a torn flexor muscle, which is why he missed the post-season.

Sorry Jack, I just don’t see it.

by scstrato on Nov 17, 2008 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's not quite that easy...

Looking at his wins, losses, ERA, and hits allowed doesn’t really give you a good picture of any pitcher. Let’s consider Burnett’s peripherals in 2008 – 9.3 K/9, 3.5 BB/9, .77 HR/9. Those strikeouts are top shelf, and the walks are a bit much, but the home runs are nothing too objectionable. All around, that’s #2 quality numbers if not those of a low end #1. Those hits? Well, some of them can certainly be attributed to a rather high .324 batting average on balls in play. Overall, his FIP was 3.35 – a pretty damn good mark. So to say that “nothing about the guy says that he is an ace” is simply wrong – his stuff is overpowering, and that’s probably the most important component of an most top of the rotation guys. His command can falter at times but it was comparable this year to Jair Jurrjens’. The guy, when healthy, is the real deal.

And as soon as I get done, it seems that scstrato beat me. Oh well, just reinforces our point.

by BraveBronco0121 on Nov 17, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to both of you your arguments are probably for not anyway because the chance that we would shell out that much money for Burnett is not happening. The bigger point that I will make is that Burnett will require 5 years and will get it, while Sheets will get 3 years. They are both going to miss time with injuries but Burnett will be 36 when that five years is up and for 3 years Sheets would only be 33. With the amount of stress that Burnett puts on his arm by the time he’s 36 he probably won’t be that good. Sheets still has 3 good years left in him.

by jack dein on Nov 17, 2008 6:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you're trying to say that Burnett will get overpaid...

I would say you’re probably right. I still think he’s a better pitcher at this point and over the next three years than Sheets, but Sheets is more likely to be available to us at a good price.

Ultimately, though, your “Burnett isn’t near an ace” thing still fails.

by BraveBronco0121 on Nov 17, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What if we get Burnett but not Dempster or Lowe?

Would it not be possible to get Sheets then? I think it would be. And what about Dunn? I know we want a right handed hitter, but why not take a much more powerful left hander than a less powerful righty? I know for a fact Dunn has more power than any righty FA outfielders(besides Manny), so why don’t we go after him? I’m not saying get Burnett, Sheets, and Dunn, because I’m not totally sure we would have enough money for all three. But why not get two of them or maybe all three if we have the money?

by scottyboy10 on Nov 17, 2008 8:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

the more i look at the splits the more i would rather not spend the money on dempster, lowe, or burnett. they are all going to get 50 mil+ contracts and im not comfortable with the braves giving any one of them that amount of money. trade for peavy could still happen because we have the best offer. maybe we can sign furcal, trade johnson for ludwick, and possibly sign a guy like brad penny? when healthy hes similar to burnett/lowe/dempster but will come at a much cheaper price. a little more risk but its a way cheaper risk that could prove to be worth it.

by tdoublem23 on Nov 18, 2008 12:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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