Quoth Frank Wren, "We Fold"
It's over. That's it.
After a month-long roller coaster ride we can finally get to get off and enjoy terra firma. From Ken Rosenthal this afternoon:
"We have moved on," Braves general manager Frank Wren told FOXSports.com on Friday. "We had our last discussion with San Diego yesterday and let them know that if the final names we were discussing wouldn't get it done, we would move on to other opportunities, other possibilities."
"We're always open to improving our club, but at the end of the day, we're really focused on building our organization from within long-term," Wren said. "Anything we do has to make long-term sense for us."
Sage-like words from the new GM. Build from within, build for the long term health of this club's major league roster.
How am I doing, you ask. Well, I feel this is ultimately the right decision. I was never really excited about Jake Peavy; I just never got a good feel. And the reported price we'd have to give up, yuck. In thinking more about it, I doubt that Yunel Escobar was ever put on the table by the Braves. Why would they trade him with no way to replace him when they have a perfectly tradeable and replaceable Kelly Johnson on the other side of second base.
I'm going to the bar to have a drink.
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I will cheers my icy cold Rolling Rock to you, good sir, and to Mr. Frank Wren. Nicely played.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Nov 14, 2008 6:33 PM EST
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You know what Rolling Rock and having sex in a canoe have in common, don’t you?
by coldriver10 on
Nov 14, 2008 7:00 PM EST
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Really? I’ve heard that joke with Coors Light, but come on. Rolling Rock is damn tasty.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Nov 14, 2008 7:16 PM EST
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They’re both f***ing close to water.
And Smoltz’s Beard, I was just messing with you. RR and CL are both decent beers. (yeah, I said it. I like coors light.)
by coldriver10 on
Nov 14, 2008 7:29 PM EST
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Alright then…we were about to have words. No one insults my booze!
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on
Nov 14, 2008 7:32 PM EST
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If you’re ever in NC, you should try Red Oak. Best beer anywhere, in my opnion.
by coldriver10 on
Nov 14, 2008 7:37 PM EST
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i must respectfully disagree… two beers i will throw out… Sam Adams Cherry Wheat (WOW).. and then Leinenkugel Summer Shandy (made with Lemonade need i say more)……
a big tall glass of Johnny Walker black always does the job
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on
Nov 15, 2008 12:02 AM EST
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Red Oak indeed rocks
but for my money, it’s not in the same league as other NC breweries, particularly Pisgah, Foothills, and Duck-Rabbit.
by BraveBronco0121 on
Nov 15, 2008 12:39 AM EST
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wrong
Pabst Blue Ribbon. End of story.
Rays 2009 Slogan: "Come back with your shield or on it"
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on
Nov 15, 2008 9:34 AM EST
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You’ve just canceled out the awesomeness that is your Erin Andrews avatar with your admission of enjoyment of PBR.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Nov 15, 2008 11:01 AM EST
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I think Wren did the right thing here.
Dont get me wrong, I was certainly excited at the thought of our rotation being headed by Peavy, who I like better than any FA starters, but was never crazy about losing Esco, or our prospects for that matter. I couldnt deal with giving more than our reported final offer.
Now off to the market for some pitching………
by bravesguy311 on
Nov 14, 2008 6:56 PM EST
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I completely agree
I’ve always liked Burnett despite his injuries, but Toronto has already made an offer. Let’s see what happens.
Any updates on Junichi Tazawa?
by Sparhawk on
Nov 14, 2008 7:34 PM EST
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I’ll just get this out now: I think Burnett is a huge mistake, especially giving him 4/70…and for all that’s holy don’t give him 5 years.
by soup du jour on
Nov 14, 2008 9:12 PM EST
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Crazy Idea
I don’t like the FA market for starting pitching this year, I’m also dubious about signing Lowe/Burnett types to multi-year deals. I think we need an old fashioned rebuilding year, see if Jo-Jo. Morton, Hanson, Parr et al. can do anything. I would much rather watch a young, developing team next year. Who knows, they might even compete.
by TradeAndruw on
Nov 14, 2008 7:34 PM EST
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That is one scary bad rotation
The only thing you need is a veteran to be the leader. You stick Buddy Carlyle in there, and it’s 1989 all over again!
Of course shortly thereafter came Smoltz, Glavine, Mercker, Smith (Pete, not Zane!), Lilliquist, Greene, Avery….but I don’t hold out that much hope for these guys. Hanson, yes, but the rest? Oh my.
by secondbass on
Nov 14, 2008 9:19 PM EST
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Jair Jurrjens
Okay, so Hanson and Jurrjens…..
by secondbass on
Nov 14, 2008 9:20 PM EST
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Thank goodness
Never liked the deal myself, glad to see Mr. Wren called it off.
But I don’t think this is done. I think that eventually, the Padres will come knocking again and just maybe (like 1% chance maybe) trade Peavy to us for peanuts if they can’t find another suitor.
by BraveBronco0121 on
Nov 14, 2008 7:55 PM EST
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Well, color me one who’s disappointed that Peavy probably won’t be in a Braves uniform next season. I keep hearing that we need a rebuilding year, but here’s what I don’t get: we’ll have Peavy for 5 years. Who says we’d be getting him for just next year? Sure you need to build from within, but how many of you guys think that we’d actually miss Morton, Gorkys, and Locke in the next three years? I guarantee that we’d replace them over that time. Escobar is the only piece we’d miss, but only because there isn’t a ready replacement within the system.
I do like how Frank stuck to his guns, however, instead of caving. Nice to see him have some backbone.
“I think we need an old fashioned rebuilding year, see if Jo-Jo. Morton, Hanson, Parr et al. can do anything. I would much rather watch a young, developing team next year. Who knows, they might even compete.” – TradeAndruw
You can say that now, but when we’re 25-40 and fighting the Nationals for last place with that rotation most won’t BE watching.
by soup du jour on
Nov 14, 2008 9:09 PM EST
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I’ll be watching regardless of their record next year. With the young players the Braves have, I know good things are coming. The people who don’t watch the Braves during the bad times aren’t real Braves fans. Just my opinion, but I rather watch our young players (our future) rather than another patched up team that barely makes it to 80 wins.
by BravesFan on
Nov 15, 2008 8:40 AM EST
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I was getting sick
I like our shortstop, and even Peavy said he wasn’t happy to go here without Escobar.
We have a good team. We need a slugger in left and one decent pitcher. We can afford both without giving up our future.
by Mekons5 on
Nov 14, 2008 9:58 PM EST
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Rotation
I’m going to be honest, if we aren’t going to get Peavy, I wouldn’t be too disappointed if we only signed one FA starter. I wouldn’t mind going with Lowe, JJ and 3 of Hampton, Hanson, JoJo, Morton, Campillo, and Parr, depending on who proves himself in spring training. Or, what if we just went all out for Sabathia. I hate to get in a bidding war with the Yankees, but he is the kind of ace that I don’t mind shelling it out for. He is huge, so the likelihood of him breaking down is much less than all the other pitchers on the market. Probably won’t happen, but just some food for thought.
by bonneat on
Nov 15, 2008 1:01 AM EST
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I'm guessing that everyone assumes that we could never compete with the Yanks for him
but for my money, CC is the only available pitcher who is worth a 4+ year deal. I wouldn’t mind seeing us get in on him due to his track record of solid health and top notch performance. Oh, that and he can play in place of Francoeur on his days off!
by BraveBronco0121 on
Nov 15, 2008 1:19 AM EST
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Hahaha
The very thought of a big fat guy patrolling right field, but still capable of utilizing that pitcher’s arm and being able to gun down a man from 290 feet with with good late-end movement is very amusing to think of.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on
Nov 15, 2008 11:03 AM EST
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oh happy day
braves rock, good job frank
by ATLBravesYouthMovement on
Nov 15, 2008 9:57 PM EST
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hello
Go after Burnett,bring up Heyward,Shaffer,Flowers,and Hanson.Sign Smoltz,and Hampton and a free agent of the best value.If Hampton does something it will be a plus..Bring him and Smoltz out of the pen..
by fatazfoot on
Nov 16, 2008 8:34 AM EST
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I just don’t see how the reported price for Peavy was “yuck.” Now I acknowledge that Towers never accepted the reported package, so it’s likely the price would have been pushed higher to get a deal done (which I wouldn’t have wanted to do). I’m glad Wren stood firm, but I really don’t see why so many Braves fans had a problem with the package of Escobar, Hernandez, Morton/Reyes, and Boyer/Locke/other unnamed minor-league lefty.
Escobar is replaceable. It’s that simple. Yunel hit three of his ten home runs in his first 65 plate appearances. He hit two more in his final 34 PAs. Throw out those 99 trips to the plate, and Escobar hit a decidedly mediocre .277/.351/.363 for the 488 PAs in between. People say Kelly Johnson is streaky (which is not an unfair assertation), but they ignore the fact that a great deal of Escobar’s value came in his hot start and his fiery finish. I am not saying that Escobar is worthless, because his defense was also excellent. But he never had a rep for sparkling defense, so there’s the possibility that his season with the glove was a fluke in and of itself; defensive flukes are just as real as offensive ones. My point? His offensive production should be relatively easy to replace, since, looking at his minor-league numbers, that middle-488-PA line looks a lot closer to his true talent level than his overall stats. His defensive prowess can be replaced by getting a shortstop who is decent with the glove (i.e., a few runs above average) and getting a return to form from Jeff Francoeur, replacing Mark Kotsay’s glove with Jordan Schafer’s.
Hernandez is still a lot of hype at this point, and he’s blocked by Schafer anyway; another team will get more value out of Gorkys if they can leave him in center since his bat plays much better there. Morton and Reyes look like back-end guys at this point, though I think Morton still has an outside shot at being a #3. As for the fourth piece, Boyer is expendable with all the in-house bullpen talent (Carlyle, Bennett, Acosta, Stephen Marek and Luis Valdez could all make cases for jobs) and Locke would be quickly forgotten as the incredibly talented Class of 2008 moves up to take on full-season assignments.
I wouldn’t bid any higher for Peavy, and I certainly wouldn’t offer Flowers over Hernandez, but I can’t see why Braves fans (not least Mr. Gandy) have balked at that four-player package for one of the NL’s best arms.
by tgthree on
Nov 16, 2008 2:43 PM EST
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I want to add also that I doubt we’ve seen the last of this deal. The Cubs would have to get a third team involved, which is always tricky, and it’s been reported that Peavy has not changed his mind about requiring significant financial inducements to move to the AL. While the Braves are no longer “actively pursuing” Peavy, Kevin Towers will realize sooner rather than later that the market for Peavy is incredibly thin. With no apparent ability to keep Peavy in San Diego, Towers will call the Braves again before this is all over.
by tgthree on
Nov 16, 2008 2:48 PM EST
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I completely agree with that! I’d like to see Wren drop his offer some when it does happen, but that’s just me wanting to get even and is not in the best interest of the Braves. I have confidence Wren will do a “fair” deal but it will be a long time before Towers comes down to earth. Then again, if it takes him too long it may be too late. Cross your fingers!
by scstrato on
Nov 16, 2008 2:56 PM EST
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Right. I even think my wording could be better: it’s not that Towers is going to “realize” that the market is thin, it’s that he’s going to finally acknowledge it publicly. I think he’s been trying to play offended at the offers that have been sent, in an effort to get other teams involved and to get teams to bid against themselves. He also may be hoping that Peavy becomes more amenable to other teams if the front office demonstrates that they have made a good faith effort with all the teams on his “top five.” But none of that has really panned out for Towers, so he’s been posturing.
Lots of Braves fans have criticized Towers for all sorts of things, but really what he is trying to do is create a competitive market where one does not exist. Ultimately, he’ll give up on that and take the best offer he gets, which is why Wren is smart to wait. As for lowering the offer if and when Towers does come back, I think we could insist on, say, them taking Reyes over Morton, but I certainly wouldn’t make any significant changes. The five-player trade “as-is” would be beneficial for both teams.
by tgthree on
Nov 16, 2008 3:00 PM EST
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I think there were a myriad of reasons why most were balking at the speculated offer. While I was on board with trading for Peavy, even though I hated to part with Escobar, I started changing my mind as time went by and it became apparent that Towers was looking to fleece the other team. His “not even close” comment sealed the deal for me, and i’m guessing it sealed the deal for Wren and company too. Our FO is too smart to get in bed with a GM who doesn’t want to deal fairly.
by scstrato on
Nov 16, 2008 2:53 PM EST
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