The Hanson and T-Flow Show
by gondeee on Nov 12, 2008 8:46 PM EST
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In case there was any doubt about how good Atlanta Braves prospects Tommy Hanson or Tyler Flowers are, they provided more proof today in the Arizona Fall League:
Hanson's line - 5IP, 3H, 1ER, 1BB, 9SO (leads the AFL in SO)
Flowers' line - 3-for-4 with 3 homeruns and 7 RBI (leads the AFL in HR)
With the recent news that the Padres want Tyler Flowers added to the Jake Peavy deal, this latest performance might make the Braves not only balk at trading Hanson, but also Flowers. In a system starved for power hitting prospects, we now have several very good potential major league power hitters in Flowers, Freeman, and Heyward.
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Flowers In Left
Im new here, but been a braves fan since 1989. i say we keep flowers and try him in feft
he’s a right hander right ? and power thats what we need for left field
by Brandonba on Nov 12, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see that mighty righty bat in LF but I don’t think there’s even a remote possibility. Not trying to kill your idea but the fact is our depth at catcher is minimal and if anything happens to McCann I think Flowers gets the nod. Sammons probably won’t see anything more than “day off” playing time.
by scstrato on Nov 12, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ve talked about this before, but there’s really not much chance of Flowers playing in left field. He’s just not athletic enough to handle the position.
by cbwilk on Nov 12, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe,
but he’s at the very least a half season of dominating AA away from the majors. If he is hitting like this for the first half of the AA season this coming year then I think they should consider moving him into a platoon with Kotchman at first.
For the future, I would love to see Flowers and McCann in some rotation between the plate and firstbase, but neither seem to want to move to first. This could prolong their careers and maximize their games played though.
by JFP on Nov 12, 2008 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Flowers for Peavy
When was the last time we had a stud power guy like Flowers?
When was the last time we had a stud pitcher like Hanson? I’m thinking Avery?
Don’t break up this farm system. Imagine if we had the Tex pieces back in addition to our minor league crop!
by TradeAndruw on Nov 12, 2008 9:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You mean the 5 guys who wouldn’t be contributing anything at the major league level this year? Two of which have struggled mightily and show no signs of improvment, another two who are at least a year, if not more, away from even tasting the majors and another who is even further away from the majors but is the only one who shows signs of becoming better than an average major leaguer? Those pieces? No thanks.
Honestly, if Salty and Harrison were still eligible, only Feliz would rank in our top ten prospect list. Arguably Andrus MIGHT make the top 15 and the rest were traded because the Braves know when to cut players loose.
by scstrato on Nov 12, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
woooo Feliz projects to be a damn good pitcher, and Andrus is still very highly regarded. You think Salty isn’t projected to be an average major leaguer? He clearly still has upside and if he is traded you’ll see how much he is worth. Harrison and Jones I agree, but if we had even Feliz, we all would have hard wood from thinking about him.
by SayHeyWerd on Nov 12, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I won’t argue with Feliz, he continues to impress me. I won’t even argue that these guys still have a chance to be something, if not something special. The fact is none of them could crack our major league roster. I was just as high on Salty as anyone but he showed significant regression this year. While I can see how some would still hold Andrus in high regards, he’s not done anything in the minors to show me that he is anywhere near elite or even all-star quality yet.
by scstrato on Nov 12, 2008 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u crazy man
harrison could still be a decent back of the rotation guy. salty had a down year but the jury is not out on him by far. although he probably would have been traded regardless given the depth at c/1b. Andrus is still really young and quite a prospect. feliz is an elite prospect, likely at a higher level than even Hanson. Not to mention the fact that all is said and done and it didn’t work. no playoffs. there isn’t an argument here.
by son.of.sourman on Nov 13, 2008 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
/facepalm
Please explain to me how Salty had a down year. He’s only been in the majors for two seasons (a combined 506 ABs) and was able to put up an OPS+ on 91. That’s below average. I guess the fact that he plays catcher gives him a little bit of leeway, but not much IMO, especially since his catching skills do not look good thus far.
Just because we didn’t make the playoffs does not make the trade an automatic loss. There’s plenty of things I could point my finger at that resulted in us not making the playoffs, but that trade is not one of them. Additionally, pretty much every prospect you mentioned has a big “what if” attached to their name:
Harrison “could still be a decent back of the rotation guy”.
“The jury is not out on” Salty by far.
Andrus is “still really young and quite a prospect”.
You didn’t even mention Beau Jones and his 1.52 WHIP in the minors. Sure it sucks to lose Feliz, but it’s not like our farm system is barren of pitchers.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 13, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yikes
/facepalm
the point of the trade was to make the playoffs, or keep teixeria. neither happened, it’s a loss. this is a case of having the actual outcome data to assess a situation. use it.
by son.of.sourman on Nov 13, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right…so if Harrison and Salty never pan out and the rest never even reach the majors it’s still a loss? That makes zero sense. Not to mention that without that trade our record would have been even worse than it was the last two seasons.
It must be nice living in your box. Please stop posting on this site anymore, as your views are simply not relevant. Baseball isn’t as black and white as you seem to think it is.
Oh, and that was a really good explanation of Salty’s “down year”. Kudos.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 13, 2008 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It does make sense.
Minor leaguers are the currency of many trades. If you spend that currency in one place, you lose the opportunity to spend it in another.
Feliz would be our #2 prospect right now. I am guessing Salty and Harrison would have made the Atlanta roster last year. Andrus would be among our top 5 prospects. That’s a ton of value.
by parish on Nov 13, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are kidding right
That’s almost as funny as the other guy. Do you seriously believe Feliz will be ranked higher than Heyward or Hanson? C’mon … he might would crack the top 5 if he were still with us, but he’s not a 2 yet.
Also, tell me what it is about Andrus that says top 5 prospect? Outside of his age there are very few positive indicators about his performance. Did someone TELL you he’s good, or did you actually look up his performances yourself?
by scstrato on Nov 13, 2008 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you disagree with the point...
…doesn’t make it irrelevant or incorrect. How can you possibly disagree with the statement: “Minor leaguers are the currency of many trades. If you spend that currency in one place, you lose the opportunity to spend it in another.”? Or is your righteous indignation over the semantics of where Feliz or Andrus were placed on a hypothetical prospect list? Come on, everybody – we don’t have to be assholes to each other just becuase our opinions are different.
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 13, 2008 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. I didn’t disagree with his first statement, in fact I believe it to be true, and I didn’t mention it in my post. Not sure how you got that I disagreed with it.
2. Semantics = the meaning or interpretation of a word. “Feliz would be our #2 prospect right now.” and “That’s a ton of value.” are statements of fact, not open to interpretation. How is that arguing semantics?
3. I have no problem with someone posting an opinion that contradicts my opinions. I’m confident if you review my history you will find that to be true. My problem is when someone posts a blatantly false statement in order to support an argument/debate. Prospects who fail to meet expectations do not represent a “ton of value”.
4. As far as me being an asshole, maybe I was a bit harsh. Sorry to both of you if you took offense to my tone. I’ll work on that in the future.
by scstrato on Nov 13, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean to single you out
In fact, I was an a-hole to some other person a while back because he made a remark about Schafer and the HGH thing. I guess it’s just that lately everyone jumps down each other’s throat when they disagree, instead of just debating. Maybe it’s because our whole country is very unstable right now, and everyone is uneasy. Who knows?
As for the prospects that were traded for Tex, I don’t think any of them have been busts yet (except Beau Jones, but he was already a bust). In fact, one could argue that Feliz, Andrus, and Harrison have actually increased their value (obviously to varying degrees) as prospects based on their performances. Would Feliz be the #2 prospect? Possibly – there’s a lot of hype surrounding him. Andrus was the #3 prospect at the time of the trade, so it’s also possible that he’d still be in the top 5. But all disagreements aside, the farm is pretty nice-looking right now, but it’d be disgusting with Salty, Feliz, Andrus, and Harrison.
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 14, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did the Tex trade put us in a better position to win ball games?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 13, 2008 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
Unfortunately, not enough games. But we’ve been through this one. JS clearly thought it was the right move at the time; it didn’t work out the way he wanted it to. The fact remains that we have fewer prospects than we would have if the Tex trade hadn’t happened. We don’t need to argue the success of the trade; obviously that’s very subjective and there’s no correct answer.
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 13, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough. We obviously disagree on several points. Perhaps time to move along?
I still think it’s pointless to bring up the amount of prospects we would have because you never know if they would have been moved in a separate deal, however.
Alright, I’ll zip it now.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 14, 2008 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right
There isn’t an argument. You can spin it any way you want, 4 of the 5 prospects we sent to Texas have done NOTHING! Sure, as I mentioned above and you apparently ignored, Harrison and Salty still have a chance, but their performances over the last two years are starting to say “BUST”. Andrus has done nothing to warrant his praise and Beau Jones, at age 21, could hardly get out A+ players.
PUHLEEZ! I’ll take the performance of Teixeira and Mahay any day over these guys.
by scstrato on Nov 13, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus there’s no way of knowing whether or not those 5 pieces would have been used in another random trade…thus altering last year in ways we can’t possible imagine.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 12, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
an ashton kutcher fan i see… Butterfly Effect
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2008 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I actually did like that movie.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 13, 2008 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
omg, we can’t be friends, no more
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Nov 13, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I’m sure you like a couple stinkers too.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 13, 2008 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No way.
Much like the quality of my posts, I am nothing but an individual of class, dignity and integrity. Which reflects in my selection of fine silver-screen classics.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Nov 13, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Miss her…who’s wife are we going to post after wins this season?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Nov 13, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
My vote would be Kelly Johnson’s. Oh but wait, he’s on the block and not a guarantee.
Will Ohman? He’s a free agent, and not a guarantee.
Greg Norton? Not a guarantee.
Blaine Boyer? Potentially on his way out, not a guarantee.
Glavine – Not a guarantee
Smoltz – divorced
Moylan – divorced
Well crap.
That pretty much leaves Memo Catie Francoeur, and Heap’s wife. And since Francoeur isn’t exactly a guarantee either, I’m going to say my final answer:
Whomever Jair Jurrjens and/or Mike Gonzalez is with. They’re both young, good-looking gentlemen, and I trust their judgment and expectations to snag a real hottie for us to analyze (read: post the hell out of).
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Nov 13, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is now a more important question than who gets traded for Peavy.
by VegasAces on Nov 13, 2008 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by those pictures Lizziebeth posted of Gonzolez in his fancy suit (a while back)… he is quite the snappy dresser and i bet his significant other could suit our needs.
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or perhaps we can find a way to get Jake Plummer associated with the Braves
http://sports.rightpundits.com/wp-content/photos/kollette.JPG
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2008 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
btw, how bout we forget the peavy deal?
by SayHeyWerd on Nov 12, 2008 10:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Still gotta get Peavy. I’m salivating thinking about a 2010 rotation of Peavy, Huddy, JJ, and Hanson. Two vets and 2 young studs.
by dwbrave on Nov 12, 2008 10:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Salivating isn't the word...
The thought of those four in 2010 gets me excited beyond belief. Let’s get this deal done!!!
by MTSU11 on Nov 13, 2008 12:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
problem is: freeman and flowers play same position
either that or mcann and flowers. can’t have those three in lineup.
by son.of.sourman on Nov 13, 2008 2:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Freeman in LF?
Does anyone know if he could move out to LF and free up 1B for Flowers?
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
by ejruiz on Nov 13, 2008 4:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Freeman’s got the same problem that Flowers does, he’s not athletic enough for the outfield. He’s more athletic than Flowers, but I just don’t see it happening.
by cbwilk on Nov 13, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freeman was a 3B in hS so, he would be better suited to play LF… not saying he is athletic enough, havent seen him play just throwing that out ther.
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be Done Finally!!
I just read on www.mlbtraderumors.com that Peavy will be asked to waive his no trade clause for the Braves in exchange for Yunel,Gorkys,Morton or JoJo,Blaine Boyer and a minor league LHP. Finally now on to getting that bat Wren. I would agree with the idea of Flwers at 1st or LF next year.
by smith.5953 on Nov 13, 2008 8:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
sorry
It is Boyer or the minor league LHP. www.mlb.com is reporting the same article
by smith.5953 on Nov 13, 2008 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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