Renteria Without a Job-What's Next?

by JBinATL on Oct 30, 2008 2:22 PM EDT Comment 22 comments

It may come as no surprise but doesn't this make you feel even better about sending Edgar to Detroit for Jurrjens and Hernandez?

$11 million would be too much to pay after a .270 10 HR, 55 RBI year.

But do you think anyone would be willing to go with a Edgar as a cheap option at short? I know the Dodgers are serious about Manny and not so serious about Rafael. Maybe with the money they have to put toward Ramirez's check they'd like a less expensive version of Renteria.

They took a chance with Andruw. Any thoughts?

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kinda sad

I always liked Renteria. He was a good player and I was a little sad when we traded him. I think we got an excellent return for him from Detroit and we didn’t give much to Boston to get him. On that note I could see him returning to St. Louis but the Dodgers would be a good fit if they let Furcal go.

by jack dein on Oct 30, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions

Rent will get another job. If we make that Peavy deal and lose Escobar, I would love to bring back Renteria instead of Khalil Greene.

by SayHeyWerd on Oct 30, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions

That's just picking...

…the semi-lesser of two evils. Renteria is seriously declining and is going to be 34 at a premium defensive position where he lacks the range to be of any good.

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by RainDelay on Oct 30, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions

+1

by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 30, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions

The scary thing with Renteria is how this decline was predicted. PECOTA has his weighted mean at 279/344/394, numbers that put his actual line as somewhere between his 25th and 40th percentiles. He’s had two good seasons out of his last five. Add to that his defense has deteriorated from pretty good to bad in the last few seasons. He’s likely done as an asset at shortstop; he’ll still find a job, but he’s not going to be a good contract as even if he does hit, say, 280/350/400, it probably wouldn’t offset his glove.

by 17843 on Oct 30, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions

maybe after we trade escobar, we can bring him back for like 4 million

yes, i’m kidding.

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by bigjoe on Oct 30, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions

He’ll catch on somwhere, I’d want to make him a 2B.

mlbtr linked to an article about Derek Lowe and Randy Johnson being the best bargain FA starters. I never thought about before, but I would kinda like to see the Unit in Atlanta.

Give me Lowe, Johnson, Magglio and we’ve still got money to spare. And keep the prime prospects.

by TradeAndruw on Oct 30, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions

He's had a good career...

but I think he’s got a big fork sticking out of his back at this point. Even with a bit of a recovery at the plate, he can’t justify his poor fielding now. He will get another job though, probably with a team that has a veteran fetish.

by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 30, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions

The perfect destination for Renteria

When I think of GM’s who like old guys, and cities that love their fetishes, one team comes to mind: the Giants.

by buzzdeadwax on Oct 31, 2008 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions

What about the Royals? They seem to like our castoffs. So do the Nationals haha.

by jjcollins on Oct 31, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions

The Nats and Royals have standards

Renteria was once a well-above-average SS. The Nats and R’s only take the cream of the crap, so to speak.

by buzzdeadwax on Oct 31, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I just think we got the much better end of the deal. Even depending even further on how Hernandez turns out this looks like a trade we can look back on with more pride rather than:

the Teixeira trade or the Dye trade to get Tucker and Lockhart ( yeah I brought it up).

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by JBinATL on Oct 30, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions

Going old school...

bringing up the Dye deal. One of the few prospects dealt by JS who turned around and had a good career.

by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 30, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

But it did take him a while for Dye to pan out. Everyone forgets that he pretty much did nothing for the Royals for the two years after the trade, it wasn’t until 99 that he got good all of the sudden. Meanwhile, Keith Lockhart was probably, over an extended period, the best pinch hitter in Braves history and Michael Tucker played great while platooning with Andruw Jones, allowing him to get his feet wet at 20, before being packaged with Denny Neagle for Mike Remlinger, who was great for the Braves, and Brett Boone (Ok, he sucked). I always think the Dye trade was a great one.

by cbwilk on Oct 31, 2008 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions

What's interesting

Is the whole “Renteria can’t play in the AL” theory. Was it really Father Time hindering him in his 2008 campaign, or was it just the inexplicable, imaginary theory that Renteria just can’t play well in the American League?

A lot of people hung him out to dry after the Boston debacle, but as soon as he was back in the NL playing for the Braves, he was back to being a pretty respectable player, along with one more all-star selection.

Since he was 23 and joined the Cardinals, three times has he dipped below .275/.330/.400; once with the Cards, and the other two were his AL cameos for Boston and Detroit.

Yeah, he’ll be 33-34 soon, at a demanding position, to boot, but if he goes back to a NL squad, who’s to say that he won’t get back to somewhat of an adequate level again? I’d be curious and probably wouldn’t be surprised if an NL team picks him up and he puts up some adequate numbers again.

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by royhobbs on Oct 31, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions

i dont know how much this has to do about it, but seeing as there is belief that the AL pitchers throw more offspeed pitches and NL pitchers throw more fastballs. it seems like that might have something to do with it, because Renteria is a very good fastball hitter… however i have no evidence to back this up, its mere rambling and speculation

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by Swo12bv on Oct 31, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions

I tend to think the whole "he can only play in the NL" thing is voodoomumbojumbo

Only one of the rules in the AL is different, and it doesn’t effect him. Certainly the AL is stronger, but not so much stronger as to render a borderline all star SS a marginal starter.

by BraveBronco0121 on Oct 31, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe Rent should sacrifice a bucket of KFC to the Joboo of the AL

by Rhyno18 on Nov 1, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions

Renteria is not the player that he was in 2007, or 2006 for that matter. He was also aging. The idea that he can’t play in the AL is ridiculous. He had one slump season in his peak and one bad season in his decline.

by 17843 on Oct 31, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't know

Why is it so hard to contemplate that if an employee is not happy in his situation then he probably won’t perform his duties to the fullest of his abilities? Now does this completely explain why he hasn’t performed well in the AL? I would never make that claim. But as a contributing factor I think it’s a legit explanation.

by scstrato on Nov 1, 2008 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions

I don’t disagree with the premise that an unhappy person will not perform to the best of their abilities, but has he said that he was unhappy or uncomfortable in Detroit?

by buzzdeadwax on Nov 2, 2008 6:18 PM EST up reply actions

Good point. To my knowledge he has not, but I honestly haven’t followed him that much. Regardless, my point should have been grounded more in theory than fact.

by scstrato on Nov 2, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions