latest on peavy...
as most people of im sure have already seen via mlbtr, joel sherman of the ny post has the latest on the peavy rumors...
"Joel Sherman of the New York Post talked to several executives. They expect Peavy will be traded to the Braves for Tommy Hanson, Jordan Schafer, and one of Kelly Johnson/Yunel Escobar."
i dont know about anyone else but i hate this trade, i can live without schafer but im against giving up hanson all together and to pair him with schafer and kelly or escobar, i think would be a disaster. I really hope Wren has enough sense not to make this deal.
The braves right now couldnt fill the hole left by the departure of kelly or escobar with prado, lillibridge, or even khalil greene. if the braves could get the padres to take hanson, schafer, and one of prado or lillibridge i could accept it much easier.
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if we can get peavy
i think that we should do it. I like Hanson but he just made it to AA this year and as far as we know he may never make it at the major league level. Of the pitching prospects that we have traded away recently only Adam Wainright has done much. Very rarely does a prospect make it in the majors. I am not as high as on Shafer as most although i think he could be fairly good in the majors. As far as the other 2 players go I am really against giving up Escobar but could live without Kelly Johnson. I think that Prado could replace him and if not Infante could do it.
by jack dein on Oct 22, 2008 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just out of curiosity
what do you think we should do if we don’t trade for Peavy. Sign an aging Lowe who has maybe 2-3 years left of 2-3 starter stuff left, Burnett who may or may not make 30 starts a year, Sheets who won’t make 30 starts a year. Wolf isn’t good enough.
by jack dein on Oct 22, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot to add Dempster but he’s unlikely to leave Chicago anyway.
by jack dein on Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put the team we have on the field, look for cheap talent that has upside on the trade market (arbitration eligibles on small market teams) or in free agency (Baldelli, Mulder), give guys like Schafer playing time to see what they can do, and invest this $30-40 million surplus in splurging on the draft and international market. Trade Infante.
And look into extending Chipper, Gonzalez, Escobar, and Johnson now.
If we’re going to spend in free agency, spend more to sign the best players – Sabathia and Ramirez/Dunn.
I’d be in favor of trading for Peavy if we weren’t trading ML ready talent. Center a package on Heyward, Rohrbaugh, and Gorkys. Add pieces as necessary. I’d rather give up a wealth of A-ball talent than two guys who can step into the major leagues next spring.
by 17843 on Oct 22, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ditto almost all you said...
…except Manny being Manny in Atlanta, I don’t know about that…..
by sddbaker on Oct 22, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Manny being Manny means a 900 OPS, I’m in.
by 17843 on Oct 22, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But who knows...
from day to day, or week to week, what Manny being Manny means? That’s the problem….
by sddbaker on Oct 23, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny being Manny has meant a sub 900 OPS once in his career. It was 881.
by 17843 on Oct 23, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you, BUT
If you don’t know that the guy is actually going to show up, you have a problem. Say what you will about a guy like Bonds, but he never refused to play just because he didn’t feel like it. Manny held the Red Sox hostage because he didn’t like the idea of making $20mil in 09 and 10. If I were going to tie up that much of my payroll in one guy, I’d like for him to play every day (assuming he’s in good health).
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 24, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played 100 of 109 games including 22 of 24 games in July.
by 17843 on Oct 25, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine, BUT
Did he miss games becaue he was injured, or because he just didn’t feel like it? Or was he trying to force a trade? If Manny wants to play, he has no equal (outside of Pujols). If he doesn’t want to play, he’s worse than Bonds. Just my opinion.
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 25, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hardly missed any games when people were jumping all over him for missing games.
by 17843 on Oct 25, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please do not sign dumpster
His stuff is mediocre.
by dmack on Oct 22, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to get younger, no Peavy
And no Dumpster, I couldn’t stand watching him do that glove jiggling wind-up all season.
by TradeAndruw on Oct 22, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Frank Wren does this...
He should be fired. Like how he was fired as Baltimore’s GM after a year.
by jjcollins on Oct 22, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
My first thought to give up Escobar, Hanson, and Schafer for Peavy: NO!! BUT, I could most def live without schafer ( He can go to Barry B’s HOF for all I care) It is true we dont know if Hanson will ever even make it to the Bigs, and Peavy may give us 3-4 solid years if not more ( Unless he is another Hampton, Hudson for the bravos).
With all this if they can give Kelly, Hanson, Schafer I would say lets go. But you got to move frankie somewhere a get some solid bats and another pitcher now. An aquisition of Peavy’s standard means we have to be ready to win now and not rebuild.
Its a gamble but I hope for it.
by dabraves on Oct 22, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And YOU can go to the "Inability to Put Together a Coherent Thought" Hall of Fame
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 22, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it was your retarded HGH reference
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 22, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so why didnt you say that...why you shot some HGH yourself?
by dabraves on Oct 22, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no
But that was a clever comeback. Your comment just struck me as someone who is a sheep who knows nothing about anything, believes any stupid thing they hear without evidence to support it, and is extremely self-righteous.
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 23, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, Ok
I dont know all the facts and honestly who does other than J.S. But I was really pissed when I heard about whatever happened. Im not a scout or someone that knows everything about baseball, but i do love the game and do love the braves. I really thought J.S. could have been the next big thing for the bravos and maybe he still can. Just hope he keeps his head straight, I would like to see him do wonders for ATL.
by dabraves on Oct 23, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 22 - he's got time
He’s got a great mix of skills, and seems to have a tremendous work ethic. Whatever his involvement with HGH was, it should be chalked up to a mistake of youth. Now, if he were to get suspended again, that shows extremely poor judgement and the inability to learn from past mistakes. Unless and until that happens, he should get the benefit of the doubt.
by buzzdeadwax on Oct 24, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say Joel Sherman has no idea what he’s talking about.
by dwbrave on Oct 22, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what happened to the yunel, medlen, gorkys rumor I was pumped about…
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 22, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we traded Yunel, I wonder if we would look into signing Furcal as a free agent. He could be cheap(er) coming off an injury year, and would give us the leadoff hitter we’ve been missing since, well, Furcal left. I remember Cox being a big fan of his and a story about how Furcal called Cox after he signed the contract – so I wonder if Cox could have a influence on that, as well.
by beeniez on Oct 22, 2008 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to find a way to keep Hanson
Wren needs to offer another player or players in place of Hanson. He should offer Morton, Reyes, Chuck James, Medlen, Francouer, Prado, Lillibridge, Brandon Jones. That would give the Padres plenty of talent as well as a group of guys that have major league experience. James and Reyes may benefit from a move to Petco in the same way Chris Young did a few years ago. I’m not saying they are Chris Young, but his stuff was not that great in Texas. Also it would clear space in the higher levels in our minor leagues for some of our younger outfielders and infielders. We can take a low minor leaguer and Greene’s contract and see if a change of scenery helps. If they absolutely must have yunel, then I would take Francoeur and Prado out of the deal and replace them with Blanco or Anderson. While moving fast avoids a bidding war with other teams, we look very desperate to make this move right now. I don’t think we would offer any more no matter what other teams bring to the table, so we need to be patient. Let the Padres know we are prepared to move Hanson to the majors this year, if we don’t like the Peavy deal. Peavy would be a great addition but he doesn’t win the division for us. We need to convince them that we believe Peavy=Hanson, so giving up those other players would be too much. Force them to choose Hanson or yunel/schafer, but you cannot give them both.
by gutisking on Oct 22, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone would even want Francoeur.
by jjcollins on Oct 22, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying he should offer all eight of those guys for Peavy, or some of them for Peavy? Cause one sounds reasonable and one sounds crazy.
by cbwilk on Oct 22, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I took that he was saying offer one or more of those players instead of hanson..for example James/Reyes instead of Hanson
by dabraves on Oct 22, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
James/Reyes is nowhere near as valuable as Hanson.
by 17843 on Oct 22, 2008 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been saying that I’d definitely like Peavy, and think that Hanson is an acceptable piece to trade if it doesn’t include more of our top 5, and especially no more ML ready stuff.
But this…this is ridiculous. If this is where the talks are going I can think of a few places that Towers can stick this demand.
by soup du jour on Oct 22, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Talk about generalities
First off, this is a writer from New York – not Atlanta, not San Diego! Who are these “executives” he supposedly spoke with? … for all we know he could have been referencing a conversation he had with some Seattle Mariners or Texas Rangers executives. It pains me that the general opinion is, “if it’s written, it’s gotta be true” especially articles such as this with more spin than a game of Yahtzee! Take into consideration who the writer is and whether he/she has an agenda, or for that matter connections to the material in question.
I’ll believe it when I SEE it come from a documented, reliable, named source. Until then, it’s just someone trying to sell something (IMO).
by scstrato on Oct 22, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll believe it when it hits the transaction wire.
by cbwilk on Oct 22, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only problem is anyone who knows anything isn’t talking
by jack dein on Oct 22, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i plan on writing frank wren some hate mail if he trades hanson. i might even renounce my fandom.
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by bigjoe on Oct 22, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will give you his phone number if you want to call him
by jjcollins on Oct 23, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely insane
Wren should be fired if he’s even considering these terms. Have they learned nothing about trading away young players? Short term thinking will kill this team for the next decade.
We were in and around the World Series thoughout the 90’s based mostly on three young starting pitchers: one from our farm system, a young free agent, and a carefully scouted prospect acquired from Detroit’s farm system for an old guy.
This decade we have patched the team here and there as our staff grew older, but never made it back to the Series. In fact we grew weaker and weaker to the point where we don’t even make the playoffs. That’s what you get from thinking only about how to fill seats in the season ahead.
It’s much better to finish last for a couple of years, pick up a couple of high first round draft choices, and do what the Rays have done, worst to first.
By the way has Dr. Andrews seen Peavy’s elbow MRI? Why hasn’t he pitched effectively since his injury? I don’t see much hot pursuit from the top contenders for Peavy.
And Chipper Jones should SHUT THE HELL UP. He is not helping our bargaining position by publicly praising Peavy. Chipper obviously doesn’t care what happens to the Braves after he’s gone, which could be very soon. Before listening to Chipper, management needs to consider who will likely bring more fans into Turner Field in the decade ahead, Chipper Jones or Tommy Hanson.
by JimK on Oct 22, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know what the big deal is about trading Hanson. Of the available pitchers that we could sign Peavy is the best. I know C.C. is better but we won’t be able to sign him and still fill the other needs. Peavy would be cheap compared to what people are going to get this winter. He is signed for 4 years and $59 mil. with a $22 mil. option. We could hang onto our money and sign someone during free agency, but who. Lowe is to old, Sheets is injury prone, and Burnett only seems to pitch well in contract years. You guys have to remember that they don’t have to trade Peavy and you have to give up something good to get something good. The only players I wouldn’t give up are Yunel, and Hayward.
by jack dein on Oct 22, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you’d trade hanson, but not escobar? are you fucking insane?
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by bigjoe on Oct 22, 2008 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar is established as a 7 win shortstop and is controlled for 5 seasons.
Hanson will have to be really good (low 3.00s ERA & 200 IP) to be a 7 win starter and is controlled for 6 seasons. Oh, and he’s not established at all.
by 17843 on Oct 22, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be more than willing to trade Hanson over Escobar. We know that Escobar is a good major league player who we have no replacement for. Hanson is replaced by a more advanced Peavy. Hanson doesn’t project to be as good as Peavy. From what I hear he looks like a good number 2 starter, while Peavy is a staff ace. You will not find a pitcher of his quality for the price in dollars that he will take on the free agent market. All the pitchers that are free agents have health questions. I don’t know what the love fetish with Hanson is but the guy MIGHT be helping us win in like 2 or 3 years but I personally don’t want to sit through another 90 loss season. I quit watching the Braves sometime in early august and started watching preseason football. Besides Hanson is a september callup anyway.
by jack dein on Oct 22, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rohrbough is better than Hanson…
We have a TREMENDOUS amount of high quality low level pitchers, and we could get a potential ace in the draft…
Peavy is one of the best pitchers in baseball and has a nice contract…Hanson will have a good career, but he will never be the pitcher Peavy is.
I’ve been a huge Hanson (and Schafer) fan since they’ve played their first seasons here…but Peavy is too good to not go after…
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 23, 2008 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why did you have to go there? You lost all credibility with your first statement, that is if you ever had any. Your post was perfectly fine without that, even worse you don’t even bother to partially justify your opinion.
Stop please! Because those of us who have decent arguments towards acquiring Peavy are getting grouped in with posts like yours. Yes “stupid is as stupid does”, but you don’t have to live by that!
by scstrato on Oct 23, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you want justification?
First, you need to justify why you are such a little bitch…who gets that offended over a simple comment…lighten up, it’ll make you feel better…
Now to the point, the reason I say Rohrbough over Hanson is that, I personally, like Cole better than Mr. Hanson. They each throw a fastball, curveball, changeup, and both are excellent at all three pitches. I just like Cole’s version better…especially the fastball and curveball, which both have more power and movement than Hanson. Plus, Cole is almost a full year younger than Tommy, and Cole being a LHP is favorable in my book.
Hanson’s statistics were awesome last season and better than Rohrbough (who was late coming off an injury), and thats why everyone is going crazy about trading him. However, I believe Rohrbough has higher potential than Hanson, and will develop into an all around better pitcher.
I probably forgot to mention something that I would normally say have I not been at work since 7:30AM, but everyone is entitled to their ideas. Somebody might read my original post and be like “hey, maybe Hanson isn’t the greatest pitcher EVER, even though he had great stats last season” AND they will feel alittle better losing him IF we trade him.
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 23, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Simple Comment?
Not even close. You posted a statement of fact, “Rohrbough is better than Hanson…” not a simple comment, not an opinion. Putting a simple “I believe”, “I think”, or “In my opinion” in front of that sentence would have added a ton of clarity and you wouldn’t have looked as foolish (at least in my eyes). Does everyone have the right to post their ideas, ABSOLUTELY! But make no mistake, you didn’t post an idea, or opinion for that matter, you posted a “factual statement” that you “believed” to be true without evidence to back it. So, do I also not have the right to call you out on your claim?
Then, you go on to “justify” your claim by using “I personally like”. That’s not justification my friend, that’s opinion. Even though it would be difficult at best to justify Rohrbough being a better pitcher than Hanson at this point in their careers, you could have at least pointed to some evidence. Saying that Cole’s “fastball and curveball, which both have more power and movement than Hanson” is not evidence without including the Pitch F/X data, or some other form of data, to prove it.
And, I’ll happily lighten up when these definitive statements without justification disappear.
by scstrato on Oct 23, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is a fact...
…in my opinion, cause I personally like it
dude chill out…. the fact that I posted it without referencing anything or anybody makes it my personal opinion. I wish everything I said was considered a FACT, I’d have the answer for everything.
My original point of the statement I made was to provide my opinion on the great depth of young pitching the Braves have. By saying that I think another pitcher is better than Thomas Hanson (who is being treated like a God right now), I provide an opinion that losing Hanson wouldn’t hurt too bad. I’d rather have a consistent and bonifide ACE to anchor a rotation that consists of great young talent, than just another young talent
…and I’m not going to waste my time providing ‘Pitch F/X" data to prove my point…I base my points, or opinions, on scouting reports that I have read in the past from guys that I’ve found to admire/trust.
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 23, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YOU CAN ALL SHUT THE HELL UP NOW
GM reiterates Braves won’t part with prospects, even for Peavy
Associated Press
Updated: October 23, 2008, 2:55 PM ET
ATLANTA — General manager Frank Wren insists the Braves won’t trade their most valued prospects, apparently not even to bring Jake Peavy to Atlanta.
Speculation about the Braves’ interest in Peavy has grown since the San Diego Padres confirmed they were fielding offers for the 2007 NL Cy Young Award winner.
On Sept. 29, one day after the Braves completed their first 90-loss season since 1990, Wren said he wouldn’t part with the organization’s top prospects.
Wren made that proclamation before knowing the Padres would consider trade offers for Peavy, but he affirmed his stance Thursday when asked about Peavy.
“From our perspective we still feel the same and we are looking to the future when that next wave of talent I spoke of arrives in Atlanta,” Wren said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.
Two top minor league players mentioned in widespread trade speculation are starting pitcher Tommy Hanson and outfielder Jordan Schafer.
Peavy has a no-trade clause in his contract with the Padres, and his agent, Barry Axelrod, has said the right-hander likely would approve moves to the Braves, Houston Astros, Los Angeles Dodgers, Chicago Cubs and St. Louis Cardinals.
Peavy, a native of Mobile, Ala., would seem to be a good fit for the Braves. Wren said his top offseason priority is to add two starting pitchers.
The San Diego Union-Tribune reported this week the Padres had three scouts watching Hanson make an impressive start at a recent Arizona Fall League game.
Numerous reports suggest the Braves might include Schafer, Hanson and one of two Atlanta infielders — shortstop Yunel Escobar or second baseman Kelly Johnson — in an offer for Peavy.
“Many of the trade speculations that have been written over the past few weeks are inaccurate,” Wren said. “For the most part they are simply an outsider speculating what we might do and not what we would do.”
The 23-year-old Hanson threw a no-hitter for Double-A Mississippi this year. He was 11-5 with a 2.41 ERA and had 163 strikeouts in 138 innings at Class A Myrtle Beach and Mississippi.
Padres general manager Kevin Towers has said he expects to have young pitchers included as the starting point of any talks involving Peavy.
Wren said the Braves must plan to be without right-hander Tim Hudson, who had elbow ligament-replacement surgery on Aug. 7, for the full 2009 season.
John Smoltz and Tom Glavine had season-ending shoulder and elbow surgeries, respectively, and their status for 2009 remains uncertain.
Meanwhile, left-hander Mike Hampton is a free agent.
Wren said he hopes to re-sign Hampton, but he still will need to add more starting pitching. As the rotation currently stands, the top returning starters are 2008 rookies Jair Jurrjens, Jorge Campillo and Charlie Morton.
“We’re going to have to get an established starter or two that can kind of lead the way for our younger pitchers, and we do like our younger pitchers,” Wren said. “We think we’ve got a real good group coming, but we need some veteran stability at the top of the rotation to take some of the pressure off them.”
Wren said Hanson could make his major league debut “at some point” in the 2009 season but shouldn’t be counted on to make the opening day rotation.
Peavy was 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA this season and was on the disabled list from May 15 to June 12 with a strained right elbow. He was 19-6 with a 2.54 ERA in 2007.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
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by bigjoe on Oct 23, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like he might be trying to make the padres take less to me. He went to the padres and thought that what they were asking for was to much now he’s saying that he won’t trade any top prospects. Maybe the market for Peavy isn’t as strong as the padres had hoped for and Wren is trying to get them to sell PEavy for less.
by jack dein on Oct 23, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard something about the pads being interested in Kris Medlen and Gorkys Hernandez. The trade would probably require one of our young arms that pitched in MLB last season, another top flight prospect (Flowers, Locke?), and a couple more lesser bodies. I wouldn’t be surprised to see B. Jones in there either.
For all the SCSTRATOs of the world, this trade is not a FACT, just my speculation of the possibilities that MIGHT present themselves to Wren, based on the Dan Haren and Erik Bedard trades. Wow, I remember how much I wanted us to trade for Bedard last season…ouch…maybe Peavy isn’t a good idea.
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 23, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah..
…that Bedard trade was horrible, and pretty much gutted the Seattle farm.
by RainDelay on Oct 23, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the Bedard trade was a bad idea at the time. The guy had 1 great season and 1 good season, and he had never thrown over 200 innings. Peavy has thrown for 200 innings so this trade won’t look that bad.
by jack dein on Oct 23, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Red Flags/Peavy
•Peavy faced only 69 batters in innings 7-9
•With only 27 games started, Peavy averaged facing 2.56 batters after the 6th inning
•Batters hit .290 against him later in games
•Peavy faced only 38 batters after throwing his 105th pitch; Averaged 106 pitches per game in 2008 (103 PC/game for a career).
•Peavy’s away ERA in 2008 was 4.28; .258 Batting Average Against (BAA)
•Peavy’s home ERA in 2008 was 1.75; .205 BAA
•Peavy’s almost a neutral GB/FB pitcher, with a 1.11 GB:FB ratio in 2008, in line with career numbers. The bigger Petco keeps the flyballs within the fences for long outs.
•K-rate of 8.60 lowest since 2003, down from 9.67 in 2007. As a result, his K/BB rate of 2.81 was also a low since 2003 and down from 3.53 last year.
Lookie here, would I be psyched to see Peavy coming Eastward to the Bronx? Sure, within reason. Are there some very real concerns
by braves99 on Oct 27, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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