Make Rafael Soriano a starter
by TradeAndruw on Oct 1, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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PrintI have no evidence this would work other than the fact that it worked for Dempster. There was specualtion when we first traded for him that he could move into the rotation, don't know if he ever started for Seattle though.
We have plenty of bullpen arms next year as it is, an experienced closer in Gonzalez (maybe Smoltz at some point too). Maybe Soriano could be the 3-4 starter we're looking for, which would allow us to spend more on an ace and a power bat in LF. Plus, his arm got plenty of rest this year.
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Soriano...
..has a grand total of 8 Major League starts, all coming 6 years ago. With the way his elbow acts up..this would be a huge error moving him to the rotation.
Maybe pitching on random days is what makes his shoulder hurt. He could just need a regular schedule to pitch, like John Smoltz needed and has been talked about for Papelbon and Chamberlain. It’s a very interesting idea, the only negative I can really think about is that he might not have enough pitches to be a starter.
I agree but there are plenty of pitchers who really on two pitches and do pretty well… Sheets is predominantly a two pitch pitcher, he throws three but its really fastball and curve that he throws regulary. Soriano has a great Fastball and a good slider. So I’d be less worried about his ptiches and more worried about the stress it would put on his arm…. although if this surgery he just had is the fix he needed then that aspect shouldnt be a concern.
But i have to question the premise that we have plenty of bullpen arms… while i havent been one to criticize the bullpen this year, our pen was a product of the amount of injuries sustained, i must admit Im not sold on the idea that our bullpen can afford to lose Soriano. AS we saw this year a couple injuries leads to Boyer and Ohman both being in the top5 in appearances. I would rather leave Soriano in the bullpen… then we would have Gonzalez closing and Soriano and (hopefully) Moylan as the setup guys… which then gives us Ohman (if he is resigned) and Boyer in more favorable positions… Ohman as the LOOGY and Boyer in the 6th and used much more sparingly (and definately never in multiple inning duty)… then you throw in Bennet and Carlyle as our long men and the pen looks relatively strong. Even if we lose a guy we will still be ok… but if you take Soriano out our rotation might (and thats a big might) be better but our pen is very susceptible to injury.
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what are you talking about?
the the discussion over joba has always been that he has more value in the rotation, but it might be too hard on his arm, thus moving him to the bullpen. hank wanted him in the rotation, cashman agreed with scouts who thought he’d have arm problems his whole career if a starter. it’s looking like cashman was right.
by son.of.sourman on Oct 2, 2008 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry sorry, old wise one. It still doesn’t change my point at all.
I don’t know if Soriano’s slider is good enough to be a starter. I’m sure someone who knows a lot about that f/x thing will prove me to be ridiculously wrong, but I always thought of it as just a show-me pitch to keep batters honest. His fastball is clearly plus-plus, but his slider doesn’t come across as dominant as most closers’ or successful two-pitch starters’ secondary pitch. Does anyone know why he stopped being a starter? I think it’s a very interesting idea and should definitely be looked into.
Our Bullpen...
Remember when we thought we were loaded in the ’pen this year? Relievers are notoriously volatile from year to year and pitching depth is usually an illusion.
Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/
I don't see that happening...
we can’t get more than 4 innings out of our starters now, so he’s not a candidate either. I could see him being moved as part of a package trade deal if we eat some of the contract, though.
Wha?
Average Innings Per Start:
JJ: 6.07
Campillo: 6.34
Hudson: 6.45
JoJo: 5.13
Hampton: 6.0
Morton: 4.98
Glavine: 4.86
So if our starters are only Glavine and Morton, then you’re correct – even then you could round up Morton and most likely get at least five innings. Other than that the guys that were used the most this year averaged at least 6 innings per start. So I’m not sure where you’re getting your numbers.
And I only listed starters with 10 or more starts.
So please check your facts when you make a statement like this:
we can’t get more than 4 innings out of our starters now
Crap...
..those are slightly wrong now that I think about it. it’s way last and past my bed time, if forgot to subtract relief innings for Campillo, Hudson, Jo-Jo and Morton.
So Campillo for example actually averaged 5.48 innings per start.
This is what happens when I get a wild hair up my ass at 2:30am when i should be sleeping.
Believe me...
if BC had any better options, most of these guys wouldn’t have lasted as long as they did! Sorry, I’m so old I remember starting pitchers who could go a full nine innings every three or four days — it’s just my nature to expect a little more for my money than MLB teams do these days.
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