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Schuerholz vs. Wren

I recently did a five-question Q&A with Dave Rouleau of Baseball Digest Daily about the Braves and some of their expectations heading into next season. He asked some decent questions to both me and Will Schaffer of CnC. (In comparing our responses to the questions I did find it interesting how the length of our answers differed - and I thought I was the blogger who was more verbose.)

We pretty much had similar answers for every question except the first one which asked if we trusted Frank Wren to continue the Braves' winning tradition. I opted to say that I thought it was time for a change in the GM's chair and that Wren would have my trust more than Schuerholz would. Will's opening line to that question shows that he would completely disagree with me on that point.

I should probably clarify my statement to read, "I trust the Wren of today more than the Schuerholz of today." Plainly put Schuerholz is not the same GM he was in the 90's.

I'll be the first to say John Schuerholz should be in the Hall of Fame as one of the best GMs of all time, but he too is susceptible to flaws and errors and they started to pile up the last few years. I was also a bit angered by Schu's stance against some agents - it seemed more like a personal vendetta, than professional disagreement. Regardless of how much you like Schuerholz, we have a better chance of resigning Mark Teixeira with Frank Wren as the one negotiating with Scott Boras. We also may not have been able to negotiate with Glavine's agent if Schu was still doing the dealing. Schuerholz seems like a guy who is somewhat self aware, so I don't think that point (his inability to work with some agents) was lost on him when he decided to step down as GM.

I'm sure we'll have plenty of opportunities to discuss the differences and similarities between Schuerholz and Wren throughout the season. This one question, which elicited two vastly different responses from two bloggers, made me stop and think for an extra minute or two.

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Plainly put Schuerholz is not the same GM he was
Plainly put, Schuerholz does not have the same payroll or owner that he had in the 90's.

I don't care how talented a GM is, if you tie his hands with payroll then he isn't going to be able to compete.  Sure, you will occasionally catch lightening in a bottle for a couple years, but then every other team with a higher payroll will take the talent.

Schuerholz of the 90's wouldn't have to start a season with Mondesi and Jordan starting.

by dave @ Talking Chop on Jan 8, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

Right
He shouldn't have had to start any year with Mondesi or Jordan. He was a good GM with a substantial payroll, and he was a good GM with a limited payroll, that's not what I'm basing my criticism on.

by gondeee on Jan 8, 2008 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

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Martin,

Don't feel bad about the length of your answers, William was paid by the words.  That's why...lol

by Dave Rouleau on Jan 8, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

will schaffer
I don't think I know the man personally, but I have disagreed with some things I've read..
I like Big Jon Schuerholz, and ever since the braves took his son in the 8th round of 02 when he should have gone no higher than the 27th or 28th...umm, where am i going?

He always came across as a steadfast and focused individual. Very professional and experienced..Now he's president of the Braves..

I like frank. He's a good guy, and has been involved with the braves for a long time. He's highly respected in the organization, but right now he doesn't have that "I dominate" mojo that Schuerholz has, and he's alittle more approacheabble.. (which doesn't mean he'll be less successful). I think he's done a great job thus far. sorry i was hopping around everywhere on that one

by bravos408 on Jan 9, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions  

dayton moore
now here's a guy who has the "I dominate" mojo, but still a good man..I'm looking forward to seeing his progress with the royals as he continues to steal personel from the braves

by bravos408 on Jan 9, 2008 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

GM's
I also think Wren has done a good job as GM.  But if JS made those same trades as Wren I definitly think JS might have got more people.  Basically he gets more respect and he intimates them.  They said it might be easier for Wren resigning Tex but I think JS made that trade not only for a playoff push but he thought he could resign him.  I still would like JS as our GM rather than Wren.  Don't like Wren speaking too the fans and them asking questions.  Keep your thought in the organization rather than the public.  You can't be scrutinized until you make the move.  He might make decisions based best for the fans than the organization.  Also like Moore I know he's trying to make a winner but he might be spending a little too much right now.  Hope he succeeds.

by braves077 on Jan 10, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions  

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