Sometimes it's the Trades they don't Make
If it still seems like we traded every prospect we had away at the trading deadline, think again and take a look at the middle of the Braves infield. There was talk, intense talk apparently, right before the July 31st trade deadline about dealing away some prospects for Reds starter Bronson Arroyo. One of the prospects mentioned to be included in the deal was Braves shortstop Yunel Escobar.
After seeing the steady and dependable Edgar Renteria go down in just the second game after the trade deadline, the Braves had to turn to a backup to hold down the shortstop position until he was ready to return. That's when the trade the Braves didn't make became possibly as important of a non-move as the other moves the team made at the trade deadline.
Imagine the alternatives to what Yuney can do at short. We would have been forced to turn to the weak hitting Chris Woodward, or the even weaker hitting Pete Orr. We may have been forced to push the unproven Brent Lillibridge into action. Instead we were able to replace the .330s hitting Renteria with the .330s hitting Escobar.
It was rumored that our young shortstop was more untouchable than Salty at the deadline. Now we are seeing why that was the case. I wonder if we can attribute this kind of non-move to the genius of John Schuerholz. I'm sure it was tempting for our GM to try and give up whatever it may have taken to get a proven starter (often identified as our biggest need), but he didn't give in to those demands and the reward is someone who can fill the large shoes of Edgar Renteria.
One of the knocks on Escobar has been that he doesn't hit for power, but a quick glance at his stats will tell you that his .414 slugging percentage is higher than the .411 number Saltalamacchia was slugging before he was traded. That .414 is also higher than Edgar Renteria's career .408 slugging percentage. The short version is that while Edgar is an All-Star shortstop (well, he should have been), the drop-off in offensive production will be almost non-existent with Yunel Escobar up the middle. Who knows how long it will continue, but Yunel has shown the ability to adjust and learn quick at the big league level. The future is bright for Atlanta, and he will be a big part of it.
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Great Article
by iLukeisamazing on Aug 6, 2007 10:56 AM EDT 0 recs
Yeah...
by Rain Delay on
Aug 6, 2007 11:16 AM EDT
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True Rain
I just don't see the "hit for power" criticism either, although I do think Yunel has the ability to hit between 10-15 per year.
by iLukeisamazing on Aug 6, 2007 11:19 AM EDT 0 recs
Just watch him shine
In regards to his power, he will grow to that in time. If you watch his at bats he is almost exclusively "inside-out" to right field, especially with the fastball and away. He will pull the breaking ball if it is in but as he matures he will add that to his arsenal. I don't think we are ever going to see 25 homers from him but he can easily rise to 12-15 within three years. Hey, give me someone who is going to drive in runs with "oppo" doubles any day. After 30 ABs with runners in scoring position he is hitting .500!!!
by Mike de La Hoz on Aug 6, 2007 12:23 PM EDT 0 recs
.500
by gondeee on
Aug 6, 2007 2:25 PM EDT
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Gondee, I told you . . .
by los angeles braves fan on Aug 6, 2007 12:49 PM EDT 0 recs
Wait and see
by gondeee on
Aug 6, 2007 2:26 PM EDT
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Question for everyone:
by rockybull on Aug 6, 2007 3:04 PM EDT 0 recs
Curb Your Enthusiasm!
First of all, Yunel and Edgar do have similar AVG, but Rents has him beat by over 100 points in OPS. Sure, it's not as big of a drop-off as many casual followers of the Braves might assume, but it's not like nothing is lost with Renteria on the shelf.
Also, I can't believe that people were hammering me for critisizing Salty's stats because of the small sample size and yet lend credence to 30 AB's worth of results! Yes, it's great that he's been so effective under those circumstances thus far, but he's not likely to keep that up.
Moreover, there are 10 SS that have double-digit HR totals and 14 qualifying regulars that have posted better SLG than Yunel. More specifically, I'd mention Hanley Ramirez, Jimmy Rollins and J.J. Hardy as viable examples of powerful SS. That said, Yunel is about average for his position power-wise, so it's really not as though it's a negative trait and his other skills more than make up for it. Oh, and his power won't improve dramatically in the future seeing as he's already in his mid-20s.
As for the future SS in Atlanta, both Yunel and Lilli would be fine choices, but they have other positions (3B and CF respectively) that they might be called upon to fill. In the end, that decision will come down to the totality of the Braves needs and not some head-to-head battle between both fine prospects.
All in all, I'm glad that we had the depth at SS to cover Rent's absence, but I won't credit Schuerholz for maintaining that. He tried to deal him to Chicago for Garland and his cherished back-up to Cincy for Arroyo, but was turned down both times. I'm not sure that the drop-off from Yunel to Orr/Woodward wouldn't be offset by the bump up from our 5th starters to Arroyo, either.
Personally, I believe that Yunel is a key piece to our future puzzle and present hopes, so I'm glad that we kept him in the fold. That said, I'm not so sure that it's as big of a deal as it's being made out to be here.
by ejruiz on Aug 6, 2007 3:41 PM EDT 0 recs
I agree
Do i think escobar is a good player? You bet. Do i think he is the long term answer at short? Nope. But he definitely has a place on the team.
by yondaime4 on
Aug 6, 2007 4:04 PM EDT
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Where do you get?
I mean if you're going to quote at bats, it should be all of them. For the life of me I can't figure out why you're breaking it down to position splits.
by Rain Delay on
Aug 6, 2007 4:54 PM EDT
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He means
by gondeee on
Aug 6, 2007 5:11 PM EDT
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Oh, gotcha..
by Rain Delay on
Aug 6, 2007 5:16 PM EDT
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Who here thinks that
by Something Profound on Aug 6, 2007 4:09 PM EDT 0 recs
Hmm...
Where I stand right now, I am 100% against trading Edgar...but depending on how the next two weeks go I might change my mind.
by Smoltzs Beard on
Aug 6, 2007 6:49 PM EDT
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me too
by was385 on
Aug 6, 2007 7:35 PM EDT
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Oh, no....
As a matter of fact, I would personally rather trade Escobar over Renteria, but I don't think that will happen, due to signability and controllability. Simply put, Renteria makes a whole lot more money than Escobar, and with that money being shipped elsewhere we can invest more in that pitcher (and with Garland making $10 mil a year, we'll need the relief). Not that I don't think Renteria is a helluva bargain at his price, either. He's worth every bit of his contract. Its just that we have a cheaper replacement in Escobar, where the loss in productivity vs. Renteria is made up for in cost (which can be spun towards our most glaring hole: SP).
And this is a bit premature, anyways; my supposition was that if Escobar continues on his pace for the rest of the year, then we have a much better feel for his abilities. He'll more than likely have gone through a cold spell. We can see how he handles adversity. Being able to judge him over these last 50 games of the season will paint a much clearer picture whether we can trade such a proven commodity like Renteria and place Escobar in his stead. However, I think that if Escobar keeps doing what he's doing, Renteria will be shipped off for more starting pitching. But I agree on one thing: its gonna be a very interesting decision by Schuerholz, because he can't keep all three (Renteria, Johnson, and Escobar) on the team with two playing and the other rotting on the bench.
by Something Profound on
Aug 6, 2007 8:43 PM EDT
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Kelly Johnson.
by ejruiz on
Aug 6, 2007 11:26 PM EDT
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Agreed...
His fielding still needs work, but considering this is his first year at 2B you have to believe it will.
by Smoltzs Beard on
Aug 7, 2007 12:20 PM EDT
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Lowry
by yondaime4 on Aug 6, 2007 4:23 PM EDT 0 recs
/sound of crickets chirping
by Velcro Vernacular on
Aug 6, 2007 4:33 PM EDT
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Hampton
boy, I had high hopes for him when he came here and I really wanted him to succeed...but he can't stay healthy, and I'm thinking that if he comes back to the rotation then JS will see that as a bonus, rather than an expected outcome. Still, all in all, he's a damn good 5th starter (if he comes back from injury alright).
Hudson
Smoltz
Someone traded for Renteria/Hampton if he wows in ST
James
Rookie competition in ST/Hampton if he is flat before season starts.
That rotation has some good veteran leadership there, and James, if he develops that slider, will be an excellent 4th.
by Something Profound on
Aug 6, 2007 5:11 PM EDT
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Something Profound
by rockybull on Aug 6, 2007 4:29 PM EDT 0 recs
My bad I mean
by rockybull on Aug 6, 2007 4:31 PM EDT 0 recs
Freddy Sanchez
In the long run, Brent Lillibridge has more upside but is obviously riskier since we don't know what he can do in the majors. Escobar isn't he type of player that will never have any competition for the job so Lillibridge could come in if Escobar is starting and take that job away.
by was385 on Aug 6, 2007 4:51 PM EDT 0 recs
was385
by rockybull on Aug 6, 2007 5:08 PM EDT 0 recs
yet
by was385 on
Aug 6, 2007 5:14 PM EDT
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Will and EJ
We can't possibly know what Lillibridge can do at a MLB level yet. Now, I'd like to see what he can do, and I hope they call him up when they send Devine down (again) on Tuesday.
As for Yuney, there's a lot to be said for what a player does in key situations - those kinds of players come in real handy in the postseason (Blauser, Lemke, Cabrera, etc.).
by gondeee on Aug 6, 2007 5:20 PM EDT 0 recs
was385
by rockybull on Aug 6, 2007 5:26 PM EDT 0 recs
no
by was385 on
Aug 6, 2007 5:31 PM EDT
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was385
by rockybull on Aug 6, 2007 5:28 PM EDT 0 recs
No love for Francoeur???
My goodness.
by secondbass on Aug 6, 2007 5:58 PM EDT 0 recs
I think
by was385 on
Aug 6, 2007 6:02 PM EDT
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I should clarify
by gondeee on
Aug 6, 2007 6:54 PM EDT
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Yunel
That's rare, and it's extremely good for us, especially this year.
Also, on power... of all the regular SS's in the league, there are only 10 with more than 10 HRs in MLB. That includes Jimmy Rollins (a statistical anomaly who's riding an early season power surge), JJ Hardy (another anamoly) and Edgar himself.
If they all finish out on this path, there may be 15-18 in MLB with more than 10 HRs, a far cry from the supposed power surge spoken of above.
by iLukeisamazing on Aug 6, 2007 6:11 PM EDT 0 recs
Yunel, Lilli and Rents
Personally, I expect him to settle in at about a .310/.365/.435 line, which is excellent for a SS; those figures would put him near the top of the second tier of players at his position! His glove and arm are apparently plus tools, but his speed and power are average. His contact is obviously a plus as well. That said, I still like Lillibridge in the long term.
Lilli has a similar career minor league line (including the drop-off in AA Mississippi) but was younger than Yunel was at every level. He also adds the element of speed and has displayed better power at higher levels than Escobar.
As for Rents, I definitely see this team trading him this offseason. Don't get me wrong, I'm amazed by him more and more as the season goes along, but he will fetch (along with a prospect or two) a very capable starter before next year. Simply put, he's worth more to us in another uniform than he is in our line-up. That doesn't diminish what his worth as a player, but rather accentuates it since his trade value is astronomical now.
by ejruiz on Aug 6, 2007 7:22 PM EDT 0 recs
I agree
I also like that Braves fans bash Lo Duca for the exact weaknesses that Escobar has. Lo Duca's numbers seem to be basically what we should expect from Escobar and he plays at a position that expects less offense than Escobar. You can't bash Lo Duca and love Escobar. Just doesn't work.
by was385 on
Aug 6, 2007 7:39 PM EDT
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