Buehrle

by Hizilla on Jul 7, 2007 8:06 PM EDT Comment 48 comments

According to ESPN Buehrle and Chicago reached terms on an extension of 4 years and $56 million, but talks fell apart because Chicago refused to give him a no-trade clause.

While this may mean that he is still available to Atlanta in trade, it seems unlikely to me that we will try and get him. There is no way JS would give him a no-trade clause, and there is no way they will trade for him without wrapping him up long-term. Maybe the Braves can find pitching elsewhere - any thoughts?

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Yep...

Definitely agree. No use in overpaying. I want Jake Peavy! I would trade Yunel, Jo Jo and Prado or a prospect to get him.

by Chipper on Jul 7, 2007 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

kazmir

kazmir from Tampa Bay would fit nicely with the rotation

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 7, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

He would be awesome to this. I think Zach Duke would too.

by Chipper on Jul 7, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Erm...

I can't understate how untouchable Jake Peavy is. I doubt they would even consider Salty and Escobar. Kazmir is probably in the same boat as well. With Tampa inquiring about Chi Sox pitching they think they can compete next year.

Zach Duke can be had, but...really? Zack Duke? He hasn't been any better than Davies this year. I'm starting to come around more on Gorzelanny and Snell, but I still think we need guys with experience and who have competed in the stretch run. Also, you just don't know how the two Pitt starters will hold up when they have so few career IP. And then there's the issue of what we have to give up for them...

I've been wondering about Oswalt, myself. He'd be worth getting, but I just have no idea what it would take (my guess is at least Salty and a pitcher package). Nor do I have any idea whether the Astros have any inclination to trade him, much less are quietly shopping him. But he's the kind of guy that Schuerholz seems to pull out of the hat that no one sees coming.

Realistically we're going to try to make a run at Buerhle if it doesn't cost us our MLB prospects (Salty, Escobar, Reyes). I wouldn't be surprised if we consider giving up Harrison and Lillibridge for him, if indeed he can be had at that cost. We'll inquire about Oswalt, but I'd say Jason Jennings is more likely, and I would suspect that we don't make a move, simply because its way too much of a sellers market for Schuerholz to bet the ranch on a rental.

by Something Profound on Jul 7, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

kazmir

kazmir is wishful thinking. i like the way he pitches and it would be nice having a former met dominate them wandy rodriguez style.

i definitely think we should go for gorzelanny. he is a big lefty and has greatly decreased his K/BB from last year. but everyone knows how injury prone pirate pitchers are and he has already had problems with his thumb and elbow this year. so i would settle for snell too.

but then again after the way buehrle pitched today, i would still love to him in the rotation

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 8, 2007 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Joe Blanton

would be great to pickup next year. The A's and us would be perfect, we offer Renteria for Blanton. The A's need another SS because I think they are tired of Crosby, he has never panned out like they thought(mainly because of injuries). Escobar would Start at SS next year, we get the pitcher we need. Blanton is a better pitcher than Buerhle is! WIN WIN for both teams, look for that in the offseason.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jul 8, 2007 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Renteria probably not going anywhere

He has a pretty favorable contract, as the Sox are paying for most of it and has been pretty great since coming to Atlanta. By the time his contract is up in 2 years either Elvis or Lillibridge will hopefully be MLB ready. That being said I think its more likely that Escobar gets moved for pitching than Renteria, as teams have put a premium on younger players. I agree that Blanton would be a nice addition, and that Oakland is probably tiring of Crosby.
On another note, it is frustrating to see other organizations bring up pitching prospects that pan out, and then watch the Braves bring up their pitchers to have them ger shelled - as Jo Jo did today. This is not to knock on Reyes, but I feel like this is a pattern, maybe they need to look at how they are developing their pitching talent. James is the best starter they have brought up in recent memory, and he is at best a 3 or a 4 starter. I hope that this trend does not continue, because like many of you I have alot of hope for the pitching that is in the pipeline, and am holding my breath for someone to come up and actually perform.

by Hizilla on Jul 8, 2007 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

pirates

after hearing all the news containg buehrle today makes me think he might not be the best option. he is expecting a little too much for himself. having that last year 17 million dollar option is ludacris. i completely applaud the white sox brass for turning that down. buehrle is not a number one starter and he never will be. he is a three, and a two at best. These pirates pitchers are looking better and better every time they hit the mound, and whenever buehrle makes contract negotions difficult!

also KW is supposedly asking for three players, two being premier prospects for Beuhrle. This would be catastrophic if the braves gave up the two premier prospects most people are tihnking about. hopefully the ChiSox consider Jo-Jo Reyes premier

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 8, 2007 2:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It's a moot point now...

...but saying that Buerhle is a #3 in the AL does not mean he wouldn't be a solid #2 in the NL. And as I've said before, we wouldn't have been asking for him to be our ace...just a bridge b/t Smoltz and Hudson to the revolving door of guys auditioning for the #4 and #5 spots.

by Smoltzs Beard on Jul 9, 2007 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

doesnt matter now

dude...thats why i said he could possibly be a 2 because i know that pitchers (minus zito) have better numbers when they join the NL... and thats why i was skeptical of getting buehrle in the first place, because he wants too much money for someone who is just going to be the "bridge" between the 4 and 5 guys. we could get a number 1!, oswalt, for that type of money.

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 9, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

One thing to note..

I'm pushing for the Sox to resign him. As much as I would like to have him, it just doesn't seem like a fit. More important however, New York has the money and a few AAA that Kenny Williams likes. I see him going to the Mets, but in previous interviews he said he would not want to go to NY. Who knows, this has been the most worthless three weeks of baseball rumors. I was excited the first week when the Braves were rumored to be after him, but now it's just old. Sign, resign, I don't care as long as it's not an NL East competitor. Seems the only recent trade rumors the braves have been linked to is Dimitri Young. What a horrible idea, Salty is proving great at first, we need pitching. It seems JS would rather go after someone in my opinion will fall apart in the second half. I mean comeon, Dimitri Young?

by surge on Jul 8, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Surge

Dude did you hear what Bowden wanted for Young? He wanted Both Escobar AND Salty for Young. And of course JS Hung up the Phone. Heard that from a Very Reliable Source.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jul 8, 2007 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Say what!

That GM is retarded! I don't know if you could get either for that! I want Chad Cordero. I'll give you Lerew and Yunel for that only!

by Chipper on Jul 8, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rocky...

Thanks for the laugh, I needed a good chuckle. That is sooo terrible that I feel I don't need to even comment on that. Funny stuff. Well onto some good news. Buehrle resigns, which means he won't be a met. It will be good to be able to go to an MLB site and not see him mentioned. Oh yeah, the mets lost so the braves have a shot to get within 2 before the break. The only problem is I have feeling we'll see Evil Kyle tonight. :-(

by surge on Jul 8, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Be Positive...

Even though your probably right.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 8, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

A stupid idea by me, but...

I watched Millwood pitch the other night. Not bad. His record isn't so great but do any of you think he can still pitch? His team stinks but I have no idea what his contract status is. Is that a really dumb idea to bring him back in a three or four role?

by finchy on Jul 10, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No it's not dumb

I've heard that and I would love it. His contract is: $9,836,116. Get Texas to pay for half of it and give up Yunel and Lerew and maybe another guy and he's yours. I was disappointed when we traded him for Johnny Estrada. But it was a good return for a year.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 10, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Thant seems manageable, fiscally. I bet many on this board wouldn't want to give away Yunel but if so, what are we saving him for? We're two back. Millwood would be a blessing. I always dug that guy. Lerew... Really wouldn't miss him, frankly.

by finchy on Jul 10, 2007 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lerew's value is up!

No lights out. But I bet he's good enough to get a good pitcher when paired with Yunel. We have two other SS in the minors, so why keep him?

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

el cubano

because he is straight up better than one of the prospects, maybe both

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 12:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No

Elvis Andrus is going to be better and he is our future SS in two years.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 12:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

cuban=cool

thats ambitious for a someone who is still a young 18 year old and batting in the .230-.240 range and has a .630OPS in single A.
and just because Andrus might be able to compete at SS doesnt mean that Yunel wont be holding it down at 2b or 3b.

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 6:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

3B?

That's Chippers. Don't count on 2B because the Braves really like KJ. I think he's trade bait.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

haha

how about dont count on chipper since HE doesnt even remember the last time he was fully healthy. and if the braves like KJ so much then why is he platooning with my man Yunel?

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I can remember. 2003 so what! I can stay healthy if I didn't like my vacations! And Bobby Cox told me we're showcasing him!

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what?

So you mean the last time he was fully healthy he was in LF, not 3b. Chipper is an old 35, and I can see him leaving for the AL to DH after his contract expires(maybe before). I love Chipper Jones, but he isnt going to be around forever. That hot corner is demanding and is going to be addressed in not too long and considering Eric Campbell isnt turning out to be the major prospect everyone thought he is, Yunel is a good replacement.

Pendleton told me he loves Escobar and when he takes over the Braves, he wants Yunel to be a part of the hitting revolution

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chipper

is a franchise player. Like Smoltz he won't leave till he retires. Eric Campbell also plays LF and KJ can move to LF

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I messed that up

I meant Eric Campbell also plays 2B.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ok

Yunel is better than Eric Campbell. I say the Braves need to give Eric Campbell the Andy Marte treatment.

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well

some people also thought Maddux, Glavine and Andruw were Braves til they die, but turns out their not

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Glavine messed that up. Maddux left for more money and Andruw hasn't left yet. The Braves still have intentions in resigning him. And Chipper will stay a Brave, I mean c'mon. How many players do you know that cut money off their contract for the team? (Besides, I don't want to change my username!)

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dude

but whos to say that chipper wont "mess" up, or leave for more money. And lets be honest here. Andruw is my favorite player and he is as good as gone.
Maybe Chipper cutting his contract and losing money will give him incentive to go out and find a big market team that needs a bat and get some of the money that he lost from cutting his contract. Chipper is the man. Just because he isnt a Brave doesnt mean you cant support and root for him.

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

C'mon

If he cuts his contract, he loves the Braves. He's pretty content on where he is. I'm pretty sure if he wanted out, he would demand a trade or have a Manny like attitude. He ain't going nowhere. And as far as Andruw goes, he loves Atl and while he may leave for more money, I don't think he will. He may not have meant it but he said: "I want to be a Brave for the rest of my life". The he also said in the off season: "I want to make enough money for my great grandchildren to live off of". Makes you wonder, but I think he'll stay a Brave.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait

i never said Chipper wants out. I just said that there may be greener pastures once he is ready to move on. I dont think he is unhappy where he is, but if a better situation pops up i dont think he will write it off just because hes been with the Braves for so long. He is the ultimate team player, he moved positions a couple of times, cut his salary, and batted everywhere in the order. But i dont think you can say he did all that because he wants to be a Brave for life. He did that because he wants whatever team he is on the be in the best position to win.

The only way Andruw is still a Brave next year will be if Borasshole decides to go for a one year contract so he can get his numbers back on track and then leave for the Yankees/Red Sox/Angels for the 2009 season

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree on KJ

at 2nd for a very long time to come. and I look forward to it. One of those guys that just seems to get it and will only get better. I'm all for using Yunel to trade. He looks like a really good ballplayer but that's the rub: Give something to get something.

by finchy on Jul 11, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Get a future ace

The guy that has that potential is Zach Duke. I trade Yunel and Prado/Orr to get him.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

I'm sure you would trade prado or orr. No one wants them!I'd trade escobar just so i could get rid of them.

.....Matt

by yondaime4 on Jul 11, 2007 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

But that's the cherry on top of the deal, literally.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

salty

Salty is the trade bait. no one is going after Yunel, everyone is going after Salty. Thats who teams want. And if the Braves get Texiera, then its not looking to goood for him. KJ is good but he could be moved to the outfield at some point because of his experience there. and Yunel has better range than KJ

Zach Duke sucks and not only is he on the block to go back down to triple A after spending about 3 years on the senior circuit, but he might undergo an exploratory medical procedure. The last thing the braves need is another pirates pitcher to get a dead arm.

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Salty is going to stay a Brave

Out of every trade rumor that has included the Braves trading him, they've pulled out of it. (Buehrle, Willis, and now Teixeira.)

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yuney

The more I think about, the more I think that we will get A LOT in return for Escobar - or at least we are going to expect a lot in return. He's done nothing but skyrocket his trade value the last month or so.

by gondeee on Jul 11, 2007 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

hopefully JS can pull off a Noah Lowry for Yunel trade.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nah

The braves didnt pull out of the Buehrle market. they were very much in it until he finally resigned with the Chi.

the only way the braves will get A LOT for Yunel is if he is packaged with Salty, or at least another prospect and a proven senior circuit guy. Yunel has done nothing but prove that he can contribute just as much as anyone else on the team, and he has shown that he is a utility type player. Why would the braves give that up and go back to using the useless Woodward and Orr in that spot. Especially since Cox loves utility guys.

The only pitchers worth trading Yunel for is: Blanton, Snell, Gorzelanny

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No Way!!

I hate those three and Noah Lowry is way better than any of those guys! We need a #3 not a #4 or 5.

http://blabberinbraves.blogspot.com/

by Chipper on Jul 11, 2007 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

Snell and Gorzelanny are not #4 and #5 pitchers. i dont know what your watching but those two are top of the rotation starters.

I love snell's mentality towards the game. he has the right attitude. heres an example: After the Pirates lost on June 23, 2007, 10-1 to the Los Angeles Angels, Snell said, "I [expletive] hate losing. I hate when the team doesn't bring out its full potential. And if they fine me, fine me. I don't care. Because this is getting stupid. We're better than what we're showing."

Lowry is just all right. he doesnt have the upside that the 2 pirates do. He has bad mechanics, relies on his change up way to much, and he hasnt improved his K/BB ratio since his rookie season, which is never a good sign for pitchers. im sick of watching finesse pitchers with fastballs in the 85-89 range. he is basically the second coming of Horacio Ramirez and Odalis Perez, which in my eyes is not a good thing for a prospect.

Lowry and Blanton are interchangable to me, but since Blanton has actually showed improvement since his rookie year and is more durable so i would rather have him. and i like the way he pushed that little softballer ichiro around.

by MIZIKE74 on Jul 11, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs