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this is what Id like to see:

Chuck James
Brent Lillibridge
Thorman/Prospect

Kotsay
Haren/Blanton

We take on A's salaries (both players are 2 years away from Free Agency), and we add another dependable starter that will fill the 3rd starter role when Glavine retires. Thorman is a good DH type that needs at-bats to go along 3with that power.

So our Rotation would be:

2008
Hudson
Smoltz
Glavine
Haren/Blanton
Hampton

2009
Hudson
Smoltz/Glavine (Im assuming one will retire)
Haren/Blanton
Jurryjens
Jojo Reyes

I dont know what Smotz & Glavine's long terms plans are, but Haren/Blanton will be inexpensive options (Haren - he's signed for the next three years at $16.25M total) if we can get them to sign long-term contracts as opposed to seeking replacements on the freeagent market in 2010.

We get Kotsay in CF for a year, until Shaffer is ready. I would also throw in Diaz if we can get an adequate replacement in Left, but Im not seeing anyhing viable on the FA market or in a trade unless that Anderson kid from Houston is acceptable.

The central aspect of this trade is bolstering the rotation as soon as the aging duo retire (which is sooner than people think i would imagine). From what Ive read Shaffer is only a year away, so a one year stopgap with Kotsay is alright - granted he was out all last yea. Kotsay's defense is there and he hits better than .250 and has average power 14-17HRs or so. Sounds like REnteria with a worse average, could work into our lineup in the 8-hole. And he is different in that he providesmore experince to the lineup than say Anderson or Blanco. Yea its 8mill more, but its a year and we land a top notch pitcher under control for 3 years - and a solid up an coming prospect in Shaffer soon as he leaves. And with another SP we can make sure Jurryjens & Reyes are actually ready to start in the majors with another year of seasoning in richmond, or probabably jurryjens would be in Long relief for a year to take oscar v's spot.

THe center piece of my proposal is lillibridge, to replace the A's sucky crosby. He is blocked by yunel & KJ, and it doesnt seem likely Wren wants to move him to the OF, not with newly acquired youngns Gorkys & Anderson. Wren said that he wanted a veteran in the mix if possible for a shortterm bridge, and I cant think of anyone but Kotsay - and considering the Braves are increasing payroll, 8mill for a year doesnt sound too bad for just a year. Remember, Shaffer is waiting in the wings, and he will cost a mere fraction of Kotsay's price, and giving atlanta the ability to use that money to resign Tex. Coco's contract is for another 3 years, too long for atlanta's liking. Yes he could be a candidate to be traded in a yea or 2, but my gut is telling me Atlanta may want to get another young starter in preperation for the exit of smoltz and glavine - and i dont think boston is willing to part with bucholz or lester.

Essentially, we will have up to 2 SP to replace if a prospect isnt ready - and the Free Agent market will cost us MUCH MUCH more than 8Million Kotsay is owed to go after say a Peavy or Santana (not that the braves would go after them, but its possible). Gil Meche got a whopping 55million for pretty much 500 record. The money we save in acquiring Haren/Blanton is worht the 8million to Kotsay for a year I think.

It WILL sting atlanta that we gave up a draft pick to (of all teams) the Mets by signing Glavine, and not having a lights out young pitcher to replace glavine & smoltz when they retire. Think the whole DOyle Alexander & Smoltz trade; we need someone that is a sure thing for aonther 10 years 15+ wins a year.

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I'd go for it
But there is no way that Billy Beane would. Beane could get two top prospects for Blanton and a load of top prospects for Haren but he'd take a number 4-5 starter, a good shortstop prospect, and a power bat off the bench who hasn't even proven himself able to do that? Don't think so.

by was385 on Nov 18, 2007 11:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

diaz
I was keen on the idea of letting Diaz be in that mix too.  Essentially we take on the salaries.  We didtn give up that much for Hudson - Charles Thomas (who is nowhere to be found), Juan Cruz, and Nick Meyer who was the center of that trade.  

I know its a long shot and it probably wont happen but I figure it was worth entertaining.  

by darthspiderman on Nov 19, 2007 12:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

People make too much of that deal
Yes, in hindsight we gave up almost nothing but Hudson had one year left on his deal (both of those pitchers have more than that) in a market that was much weaker for pitchers than it is now. But at the time, the Braves gave up a left fielder who had tore up the majors as a rookie, a top lefty pitching prospect, and a reliever coming off I believe his second incredible year with Atlanta.

by was385 on Nov 19, 2007 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what about with the cardinals
the cardinals need a shortstop. if this lillibridge is as goos as people say maybe they would be interested. the caedinals have some pieces the braves might want. anthony reyes and a centerfielder skip schumaker

by jimmyballgame on Nov 19, 2007 5:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

sorry its early
should be good  and cardinals

by jimmyballgame on Nov 19, 2007 5:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Impossible
Billy Beane is not an idiot. No way he makes that deal and no way anyone takes Scott Thorman off our hands.

And yeah, the Hudson deal was a completely different market where he was a year from free agency. I don't even think Blanton is in arbitration yet.

by 17843 on Nov 19, 2007 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why?
Is Blanton THAT much better then James?  I would argue that..given he is a leftie...no. He is not that much better then Blanton.  I also wouldn't want Kotsay.  He is a DL guarantee.

by calbers on Nov 19, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

In short, yes
Blanton posted 230.0 IP last year, 194.1 IP in 2006, and 201.1 IP in 2005; averages of 6.76 IP/gm, 6.17 IP/gm, and 6.29 IP/gm.

Chuckie posted 161.1 IP last year and 107.2 IP starting in 2006; averages of 5.38 IP/gm and 5.91 IP/gm.

He's more durable.

Blanton's ERA+ last season - 106; James - 100.

Blanton's WHIP - 1.22 ; James - 1.38

He has better stats.

The only way I could see James being a better option for the A's is because he's still a year from arbitration, but if Billy Beane's trading Joe Blanton, he can do better than a back of the rotation starter, a shortstop prospect, and a defensively and offensively challenged first baseman. Even Kenny Williams in the worst trade of my lifetime managed to pull an ML average shortstop and cash for his mid rotation starter; Beane will want more than that, specially as he controls Blanton for three more seasons on the cheap.

by 17843 on Nov 19, 2007 5:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

all i want to know
what ever happened with the "player to be named later" to braves were supposedely supposed to get for ryan langerhans last year?

by royhobbs on Nov 19, 2007 5:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cash
It was a PTBNL or cash. Braves probably took the cash.

by 17843 on Nov 19, 2007 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Trade Offer
That is a stupid trade offer.  Billy Beane would be fired if he made it.  Thanks for wasting 3 minutes of my life darthspiderman.  

by BigD on Nov 20, 2007 4:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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