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The Atlanta Braves are cutting ties with Andruw Jones, saying they can't afford to keep the perennial Gold Glove center fielder who's spent his entire career with the organization.

General manager John Schuerholz announced the decision Tuesday, shortly after breaking the news to Jones at Turner Field.

So that's one less thing we'll have to talk about this off-season.

"I thought there would be some negotiation or something," Braves right fielder Jeff Francoeur told the AP. "I guess that's what's so weird, that it happened so quick."

I agree, that is bizarre. Apparently the Braves believed, and John Schuerholz stated, that the figure Boras was asking for was beyond approachable for Atlanta. I still have a problem with this decision, since it furthers the chances of us losing out on draft pick compensation. Knowing that the Braves won't offer AJ arbitration, teams that wish to try and sign him can simply wait until after the arbitration deadline. They won't have to worry whether or not the Braves were going to slap arbitration on him. Now, they could offer him arbitration if they felt confident another team had a deal in place and were just waiting for the deadline to pass, but then why not just keep it a secret in the first place.

If this was a "gentlemanly" decision on the part of Schuerholz, then I may, for the first time, have to disagree with his move. On the other hand, perhaps he thinks it will ignite rather than temper the interest other teams have in Andruw. Their thinking, and Schu's thinking, could be that if Atlanta, Andruw's preferred destination, is out of the picture then negotiations would get serious more quickly than if Atlanta was still in contention for him.

Well shoot, like most moves that are made we'll have to just wait and see how this one pans out. Most of us figured AJ would be gone this off-season, but I don't think anyone thought it would happen like this. Looks like my grand scenario won't even get a chance to get off the ground.

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Druw
I don't really have a problem with the way it was handled.  And in fact, I'm glad that JS didn't play the pawn in Boras' game.  The draft pick would have been nice, but at the risk of Andruw accepting arbitration and getting 16+, thus preventing or at least hurting the chance to acquire some SP, it was a prudent move.  
I hope he ends up somewhere and has a productive career from here on out, and he will be missed, but it was time to go.  

by NorCalAtlFan on Oct 3, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no longer OUR fat chipmunk
I think it's funny how guys on ESPN and sports radio are saying that Andruw is in his physical prime and he shouldn't be punished for having a bad season.

Fine with me. Anybody who thinks he's in his physical prime, by all means, please take him. Make sure you stock up on twinkies and donuts though.

Good riddance to .222

by RehabReject on Oct 3, 2007 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

andruw
Take care, bon voyage, good riddance.

Here's hoping we sign Aaron Rowand or Mike Cameron for 8 million, preferably Roward. We can give Andruw's money to Tex, a player that's actually earned his money.

by bigjoe on Oct 3, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No Way
There's no WAY Aaron Rowand only commands 8 mil a year in this market, same with Cameron.  I would expect Rowand to get something in the 4/48 range and for Cameron to get at least 3/30.  I can see us giving CF to Willie to start the season, putting Diaz in left and if/when Willie regresses to his career averages we could make a move for someone mid-season.  I can see us moving Schaeffer up mid-season a la Frenchy, using Lillibridge, or maybe trading for a vet like Jim Edmonds in the final year of a deal.  (I know Edmonds has stunk this year but I don't think we can rule out at least some kind of resurgence)

by tmsnow on Oct 4, 2007 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Way
There's no WAY Aaron Rowand only commands 8 mil a year in this market, same with Cameron.  I would expect Rowand to get something in the 4/48 range and for Cameron to get at least 3/30.  I can see us giving CF to Willie to start the season, putting Diaz in left and if/when Willie regresses to his career averages we could make a move for someone mid-season.  I can see us moving Schaeffer up mid-season a la Frenchy, using Lillibridge, or maybe trading for a vet like Jim Edmonds in the final year of a deal.  (I know Edmonds has stunk this year but I don't think we can rule out at least some kind of resurgence)

by tmsnow on Oct 4, 2007 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So sure
you had to say it twice!! ;P

by Doghnut on Oct 4, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

get real guys
andruw is the best centerfielder of our time, and could be the best of all time. to say that he did not earn his money in atlanta is the most absurd statement.  joe, rehab, you sound like mets fans that are busting glavine's balls because of his last outing. in 11 full seasons with atlanta he averaged over 30 hr's, 100 rbi's, a .263 batting avg, and .342 obp in a primary defensive position which he had double digits in gold gloves . he had a TERRIBLE season, but baseball is like that.  i know andruw will not be in a braves uniform come april, but he will be missed when those balls that have been caught the past 10 years start finding the gaps.  good luck andruw, wherever you go.  i hope the bandwagon fans come around and wish you the same.

btw, andruw led the league in outfield putouts again this year just in case you were going to start talking about him losing step (maybe a 1/2 step, but not a full one yet).

by ryan c on Oct 3, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im guessing
Boras was asking around $20 mil w/ a 5 yr contract.  There's no way in hell tht'd be good for the Braves.  With Tex takin over the clean up spot all we need is a cf that can hit for avg. I Love AJ and all he did, but he just wasn't cuttin it.  Also check out the seasons the Braves players have had the yr after leaving, JS knows sumthin.

by chance13ga on Oct 4, 2007 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read somewhere...
7 years / $140 million

I wouldn't give Smoltzie that kind of contract three years ago.

by Lauren T. on Oct 4, 2007 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point
i agree that we should not re-sign andruw, but the debate seemed to be that during andruw's stay at atlanta, he didnt earn his money.  playing a primarily defensive position well above average, avg. 30 hr and 100 rbi's over a decade,and might i add, he only missed 62 games in 11 years! to me,  that is earning his salary. not the future salary of 15-20 million, but every penny before that.

by ryan c on Oct 4, 2007 8:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Remember Greg Maddux
Offer arbitration, thinking he's gone -- nobody wants him, he stays, and you've got to trade Kevin Millwood. Braves don't want that and they're not going to waste their time negotiating with Scott Boras re: a player that they quite possibly don't want anymore. He's definitely not worth the money he'll command, in my view, and I don't think I'd pay him more than ten million a year.

by Gregory Pratt on Oct 4, 2007 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Off-season
I think the goal should be winning a World Series before Smoltz, Chipper, Bobby and Schuerholz all retire. Two to three years, max. Secondary plan should be sustainability of success for the next regime.

With that in mind I propose:

A.) Sell high on Renteria, trade him for a third starter. Spend bucks and make an investment in centerfield.

B.) Sign Glavine for third starter, sell high on Renteria by trading for an outfielder with only a year or two commitment left. At the end of two years, all the elder statesmen will be gone, including the mystery replacement outfielder, and maybe Lillibridge will be converted to center.

C.) Sign Glavine for third starter, hang on to Renteria, let him walk at years end and collect your draft pick(s). Spend bucks and make an investment in centerfield.

D.) Sign Glavine, hang on to Renteria, and trade someone ELSE for a short-term outfield solution with plan of converting Lillibridge, or bringing up some other CF in a few years. Trade chips I see are Scott Thorman, one of Kelly or Esco, one of Brandon Jones or Matt Diaz, or just maybe Chuck James.

Personally, I vote C. What do you think?

by jjschiller on Oct 4, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Off-season
I just don't view Glavine as the 3rd starter or the missing piece of the rotation.  IF, another viable option is acquired to secure that 3 spot, then MAYBE bring in Tommy to round out the rotation.  
I also think they should and will shop Renteria.  If he stays, fine.  But to optimize his value, he should be traded while his contract is good and after the year he just had.  
So I guess in your scenario, I would vote for A.  But I temper that with the fact that the investment I would want in CF is a short term one.  

by NorCalAtlFan on Oct 4, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Short term CF
I just don't see how you can bring in an established player for a short term. No impact player is going to take a 2 year deal. I just feel for a 2 - 3 year player, it's going to have to come by trade. And if you already traded Renty for a pitcher, you're running low on viable trade chips.

by jjschiller on Oct 5, 2007 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at Renteria...
We got him for three years, right?  But now at the end of two, he's THE trade piece everyone is mentioning.  I HATED the Renteria deal when we made got him because I loved Escobar and Elvis Andrus in the minors and figured Renteria would block them both and cause all kinds of stagnation on the farm.  Ah, what a difference a season or two makes!

by secondbass on Oct 7, 2007 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe ya'll are trashing AJ
over one bad season, that saw him almost get 100 RBI's, and 25 HRs PLUS a gold glove season. He never made excuses! He was the greates CF around. I think you forget all the other seasons he played. Step back and look at the big picture, before you look at the glass as half empty!
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by Chipper on Oct 4, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

jones
He has a lower career average than Austin Kearns. He has never grounded into less than 10 double plays in a season, or struck out less than 100 times. His career OPS+ is 115.

Andruw Jones is a completely average player. To hell with him and his $18 million.

by bigjoe on Oct 4, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Average?
OK, yeah, 10 straight gold gloves and Bobby Cox's praise of "The Best CF he's ever seen, better than Mays" is average. He won't make $18M. He'll make close to $14M with his off year.
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by Chipper on Oct 4, 2007 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: jones
About half of his gold gloves came on reputation, his range has been declining over the years. Trust me on this, don't let the Braves bias cloud your mind anymore - he's not one of the crew anymore.

by bigjoe on Oct 4, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gold Gloves are ...
..a sham anyways. I mean look they give one to Jeter damn near every year, and he is the worst fielding short stop in the major's not named Hanley Ramirez.

by Rain Delay on Oct 5, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's one of the best! Plus
Who else in the AL is going to take it from him? At least AJ has competition!
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by Chipper on Oct 5, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: jones
It's cool.  You're entitled to your opinion.  But I have to disagree with you on his loss of range.  Does he has as much as he did when he was 25?  No.  Does he have more range than 90% of CF's in the game today?  I think so.  He still gets to many balls that "normal" CF's wouldn't even attempt to catch.  I'm a Braves fan but I'm also a baseball fan and respect talent.
Believe you me, it was time for him to go.  But I also respect what he gave the organization for the past decade+ and won't denigrate him for that.  I wish him the best and I hope whoever the team gets to fill his void is close to the player he was/is.

by NorCalAtlFan on Oct 4, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wrong again, bigjoe...Pay attention!
bigjoe,
do the damn research before you go spatting at the mouth.
Andruw Jones Outfield PUTOUTS '98-'07
98- 1st in ML
99- 1st in ML
00-1st in ML
01- 1st in NL
02-1st in NL
03-2nd in NL (behind Juan Pierre who should NEVER be a gold glove candidate due to his extreme rag arm.
04-1st in NL
05-2nd in NL (behind Beltran, but blew him out in outfield assists 11 to 3)
06-1st in NL
07-1st in NL

Don't even try to pull the "fly ball" pitcher argument.  Consistent Numbers dont lie.  He might have lost a step in his last few years, but he was still the best. If your one of these posters that don't want to admit that you're wrong, fine, but his gold gloves were not earned on pure reputation. one year, could maybe be up for debate ('05), but quit being an a-hole fan. and by the way, kearns has never had more than 20 hr's or 75 rbi's in a season,and he plays a TERRIBLE OUTFIELD, and you're comparing him to a guy who has consistently produce 30 hr 100 rbi seasons for the past 10 years.  once again, he had a bad season, but i bet you werent complaining when he carried the team the previous 2 seasons when chipper hit the dl.  "TRUST ME ON THIS", you're wrong.

by ryan c on Oct 4, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zone Rating
Andruw Jones's Zone Rating (The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone"): .863

Good for 7th in the league. Among 8 qualifiers at CF. Thats what I mean when I say he's not getting to as many balls as he once did.

Andruw Jones has been my least favorite Brave for years, because I'm sick of seeing him strike out or ground into a double play in key situations. He's never been an on-base machine, and stopped running for no real reason. He had all the potential to be a 30/30 guy. I hate wasted potential. Andruw could have been Ken Griffey Jr pre-injury. When it comes down to it, I would have rather had Kenny Lofton for all those years.

by bigjoe on Oct 4, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what does zone rating prove?
once again, do the research (how many times must i prove you wrong?),

what really shows zone rating bigjoe?  putouts! and to lead the league ONCE again in putouts says it all.  kenny lofton is a terrible outfielder and would have given us nothing but 100 games of 40 stolen bases and 90 singles.  saying you would rather have kenny lofton manning center shows where you dont value zone rating.  your stat history is a walking contradiction. if his zone rating is so poor, then how did he manage to finish 1st in the nl almost every year in putouts?  please explain to me how zone rating is calculated?  do you even know or are you talking about a stat you know nothing about?  your personal vendetta with aj completely overlooks any statistical proof whatsoever. btw, ken griffey jr never had a 30/30 season.  his most stolen bases in a year was 24. andruw's career high was 27.
ken griffey jr. through 11 years
398 hr 1262 rbi's .292 ba obp .378 167 sb
andruw through 11 years
368 hr  1117 rbi's .263 ba obp.342 138 sb

so, basically, your telling me there's a HUGE difference in their #'s?  by average, jr hit 3 homeruns, 13 rbis, got on base 3% more, and had 3 sb's per year more than andruw in their first 11 years in the bigs.  i agree that jr. was a better ballplayer than andruw, but andruw didnt fall to short of the greatest all around outfielder of our time, which i beleive is jr. joe! wrong! wrong! wrong!

by ryan c on Oct 4, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh, 1 more thing before i get off my soapbox
when you compare andruw griffey's first full 11 years in the league,  andruw averaged 70 more putouts per year than griffey jr.

that basically makes up for the offensive difference. need anything else?  

btw, i think cutting ties with andruw is the right move for this organization, but we have been spoiled in centerfield for the past decade.  get over your bitterness joe and face the facts.

by ryan c on Oct 4, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, many comments,
Mostly agreeing with me.
Blabberin Braves Be sure to join my forum!

by Chipper on Oct 5, 2007 5:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cf replacement?
now that we know andruw is gone - who do replace him with? - i dont like the idea of mike cameron - someone no one is talking about as a temporary replacement until brandon jones is ready for everyday play is shannon stewart.  Granted he is 34, but he hit .290 in oakland this past year, has a career average of .298, doesn't strike out a lot and only made $1 mill last year.  If we are talking about bringing in glavine or a veteran pitcher, we're not going to have much leftover for a of.  The only real question is whether he could play cf - or if we would have to put diaz in cf.  just a thought

by emerson on Oct 7, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ryan c
PUTTING DIAZ IN CENTER?  That might be the worst suggestion i have ever heard.  diaz can barely play left and you are suggesting sending him to the most athletic position on the field?  whatever you're smoking, i want some.

by ryan c on Oct 8, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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