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The 29 Most Important Braves During the Streak: #5, Tom Glavine

For some reason I'm just not the biggest Tom Glavine fan. Maybe it's his ties to the player's union during the strike, or the snobbish attitude he carries around sometimes, or the way he left the Braves for the Mets (all about the money), but all of those things probably contribute to why I only have him ranked at number five - not that everyone above him doesn't deserve to be ranked there, but I'm sure some could make the argument that he deserves to be a bit higher.

Glav was a big part of the worst to first year in '91 when his entire game just about doubled in productivity - his ERA went from 4.28 to 2.55 and he won twice as many games as he had the year before - and the league rewarded him with his first Cy Young. Glavine also struck out more batters that year than in any other year in his career, 192 - and he only once again came within 30 of that number - proving that he wasn't really a strikeout pitcher. The most impressive stat for Glavine is the amount of 20-win seasons he's collected - five of them. Among active pitchers only Roger Clemens (6) has more. The 20-win season has become somewhat of a lost art in today's game with many starting pitchers not going deep into enough games to rack up the wins - it's no wonder then that Glavine is one of only three active members of the 4000 innings pitched club. While that's not a glamorous stat, one has to wonder if any of the pitchers who are coming up in the Major Leagues today will reach those kinds of totals. That is a sign of the changing game, but even Glavine would not crack the top-35 of the career leaders for innings pitched.

In the postseason Glavine was a mixed bag; some years he was virtually untouchable and others he was all too hittable. All of that contributes to his 12-15 postseason record with the Braves. While I have been critical of his record in the past he did nonetheless win 12 games, and his excellence in the '95 World Series - especially his 8-inning one-hitter in Game 6 - got him named the MVP of the Series. But his struggles the last four postseason he was with Atlanta are some of what lingers in my mind (and probably many others); in 2000 and 2002 he absolutely collapsed against the Cardinals and Giants.

At any rate, my bias aside, Glavine was one hell of a pitcher (still is in fact). Ten All-Star appearances, two Cy Youngs, a World Series MVP - twice he finished second for the Cy Young and twice he finished third. Tom Glavine will be a first ballot hall of famer, regardless of whether or not he gets number 300. Speaking of the Hall of Fame, the rest of the top-5 will also get Hall nods when their time comes.

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Glavine helped set the tone in those early years.  Calm, professional, business-like.  I think after he won the World Series, he may have cracked a smile.

He's always been an interesting pitcher.  You can't really see how this guy has managed to grab two Cy's and some 280 wins.  He doesn't have a blazing fastball or pinpoint control or a devestating out pitch.  He just has the change-up that he can put where he wants and the stubborness to keep hitting the same spots over and over and over again.  And, of course, he's been incredibly healthy over his career.

by mhsiegel14 on Jan 11, 2007 11:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Glavine
This guy has the charisma and charm of a doorknob. Absolutely no personality. He has done a terrific job as a pitcher but I never did care much for him. That calm, stoic demeanor was always a turn off. I'm glad he didn't come back this year. Let the Mets have him. Give me Smoltz or Maddux any day. He has been exceptionally fortunate in staying healthy but he's far from unhittable.

by Bravosfan on Jan 11, 2007 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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Hey fellow Braves fans... I just heard about this website (today is acutally my first day to check it out)... I like what I've seen ... I'm definitely going to make the argument that Glavine should be ranked higher on your list of most important Braves during the streak.   Pitching was certainly the foundation for this streak, and I think that means Glavine, Smoltz, and Maddux are your top 3  players on this list (although not necessarily in that order).  For many of the years during the streak the opposing teams weren't exactly worried about the amount of offense the Braves were producing.  Each series the opposing team knew they would be facing at least one Cy-Young caliber pitcher, and two or three if they had an unlucky schedule.  I think we're not actually realzing how incredible of a pitcher Glavine was/still is.  We're talking about a future Hall of Famer.  He could be the last pitcher we see reach 300 wins for quite some time.(Only Randy Johnson, assuming he is going to pitch for a couple of years and he can return to some kind of form in Arizona, is even close)  300 wins.  Consider that number for a second.  Its easy to type in, but it takes a life of its own when you go back and think about what an accomplishment this is.  

If you didn't like his personality or demeanor, that is certainly understandable, especially if you grew up rooting for Dale Murphy.  The reality of the situation is that most players aren't going to have Murphy's appreciation and respect for the fans and the game.  I don't think you should have any hard feelings towards the guy for signing with the Mets for more money.  The Braves acquired Maddux in the same manner.  They were willing to pay him more money than the Cubs were.

Bottom line is that he was an unbelievable pitcher.  His circle change has dominated for years, along with is control and ability to continually hit the outside corner.  He was definitely the key in the only World Series the Braves have won in Atlanta (Obviously, given his MVP award for the Series).  

I definitely enjoyed the blog on Glavine, and I am looking forward to many Braves discussions in the future.

-El Sid

by El Sid on Jan 12, 2007 3:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I Hope So...
You said in the post that you think the Top 5 of your list will get into the Hall of Fame and I have to agree.  Smoltz, Maddux and Glavine are no doubt, first ballot candidates and Andruw is well on his way to being that sort of player, but I have my doubts about Chipper.  Don't get me wrong, I'd vote for him with no reservations, but I'm just not sure that the writers will do the same.  Do I think he'll get in?  Yes.  I am anywhere near as sure about him as I am about the other four right now?  Not even close...

by ejruiz on Jan 14, 2007 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

OF Gregor Blanco
He's seemingly come out of nowhere to light the Winter League world on fire with his bat.  He's currently on the 40-man roster, but I'd like to know what his chances are of snagging the LF job and hitting leadoff for Atlanta in 2007?  Has there been any word on this?  I'm all for it (though I'm also OK with Matt Diaz in LF) and I think that would take some pressure off of Kelly Johnson, who could then focus on just learning 2B without having the burden of also leading off.  What do you guys think?  

by ejruiz on Jan 14, 2007 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well
I'm a M-Braves season ticket holder and I'll tell you that it all seemed to come together for Blanco in early 06 when he seemed to realize he was not going to make it if he continued to fail in the clutch and really use his speed to base.

I have written about this possibility of Blanco in LF and hitting leadoff on this site before and I like it if he has a great spring. He had a bunch of triples in 05 and he can dazzle in the outfield.  He is the fastest player I have ever seen in person, especially on a triple.  He has no power but in our lineup that doesn't matter.  

He could steal 50 bases, but I have to believe that the organization doesn't want him stealing bases and risking injury...never stopped Ovandy Suero though.  He reminds me of Charles Thomas.

He would be a great platoon (which BC likes)with Diaz.  Prado could hit leadoff against lefties.  

Against righties:
Blanco LF
Renteria SS
Chipper 3b
Andruw CF
LaRoche 1b (when he struggles he slides down to McCann or Thorman comes in)
Francoeur RF
McCann C
Prado/Orr/Johnson/Escobar - 2b

Then against lefties:
Prado/Escobar - 2b
Renteria - SS
Chipper - 3b
Andruw - CF
Francoeur - RF
Diaz - LF
McCann - C
LaRoche - 1b

by themurph on Jan 14, 2007 3:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...
I really like Blanco... I go to as many games as I can in Pearl... I would love to have season tickets, but I live about an hour and a half so I can't go everyday... I wish I could though. I love it up there.

Blanco covers the ground in the OF very well... I'm glad he had such a great season, and I'm glad he's doing well this winter!

...Miranda

by SJsftb27 on Jan 14, 2007 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the Insight!
It's awesome to have my questions answered by somone who has seen the kid play often in person.  I'm thrilled that you think so highly of him; now I can go ahead and get my hopes up!  I really hope he gets the nod in Spring Training (spliting ABs with Diaz won't be a terrible idea) and that his success carries over into the Majors.  Anyone that takes ABs away from Langerhans is cool in my book and this kid sounds like exactly what we need.  One more question though: can you give me your scouting report on the kid or point me towards one?  I'd like to know what his natural OF position is, his actual age, what his strengths and weakness are (beyond speed and power respectively), etc.  Thanks a bunch!

by ejruiz on Jan 15, 2007 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg White
I'm glad I can get you that fired up on Blanco...his natural position is centerfield and he can track down anything, trust me.  I can recall two catches he made deep in right center field at a full sprint (he is not scared to dive)way out near the track.  

He will be 23 years old and he has a above average arm from the CF position...had 14 assists in 05 and I think he had 13 in 06.

He has no power although he can hit doubles in the gap and in 05 he gave a lot of ab's away when he got fooled by a pitch, but insisted on putting a weak swing on it, popping up in short outfield/infield.  

But this year he became more patient...this amazed me...and he waited for his pitch.  His strikeout rate (lowest of his career) and walk rate (again, best of career)both improved.

His triples went way down but his doubles rate went from 11 to 28!  He was crushing the ball compared to previous times in his career.  He also played in every game but one so I bet he can play through pain.

His strikeout rate is still pretty high for a leadoff guy...he hit six hr's last season in AA and hit 0 this year in AA/AAA.

He is a longshot, but we'll have to see in the Spring!

by themurph on Jan 15, 2007 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Again.
I just to a look at his stats from last year and they're quite remarkable.  Splitting ABs between AA and AAA, he amased an OBP over .400.  You say he plays great defense (arm, glove, effort, etc.) and it's true he has no power whatsovever (0 HR played into a sub-.400 SLG) but he also runs the bases well and aggresively.  I think he'd be a fantastic option for the big ballclub to consider in LF and at leadoff.  

by ejruiz on Jan 15, 2007 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crazy thing
about blanco is he is still only 22 i believe and he had a solid season at AAA. He might be forcing his way into the OF picture in ATL.
.....Matt

by yondaime4 on Jan 15, 2007 3:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rome Hot Stove
Romebraves.com has posted that the Hot Stove meeting is coming soon.  I went last year with my daughter and we got to meet Marcus Giles and Salty.  This year will be Kyle Davies and Dustin Evans, plus the Rome coaches and some Atlanta front office types (last year was Dayton Moore).
Anyway, we're going again this year.  I'll report back here and have pictures if anybody is interested.  Last year Mike Dunn (Rome GM) announced that Campbell and Andrus would 99% be in Rome.  Not stunning news, I know, but he may have insight about this year (will Andrus be in Rome again, etc.)

by secondbass on Jan 15, 2007 6:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes...
I would love to see pictures! Have fun!

I'm hoping MS does their Night with the Stars again this year... but I haven't heard anything yet!

...Miranda

by SJsftb27 on Jan 15, 2007 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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